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Rob Zombie's Halloween vs Halloween: Resurrection

post #1 of 28
3/31/09 at 6:59pm
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Eleven years ago, Halloween H20 said "fuck you" to nearly all the sequels and revived the series with some decent acting (Curtis), directing (last 20 minutes are really well done) and one of the best Myers portrayals of the whole series. LL Cool J didn't annoy and the only thing really missing was a bloodier and higher body count. Well, that thing made money and so they came up with Halloween: Resurrection even though H20 ended with Laurie chopping off Myers' head.

Now H:R had a believable explaination and some good kills, but it had Busta Rhymes using Kung Fu against the Shape, + it was filled with a complete mess of shitty characters, played by pre-BSG Starbuck, the one guy from American Pie that had even less of a career than Chris Klein, pre Tyra Banks show Tyra Banks and that Save the Last Dance guy you never heard of again. "Trick or Treat, Motherfucker?"

People really hated it..... but now there's Rob Zombie's Halloween and damn if it didn't try hard to become the most hated Halloween. The Loomis wig that made Nic Cage's hair look believable? "Love Hurts"? Suicide stripper mom? Midget Myers? WWE wall-smashing? White trash stepdad? "Fuck" as every second spoken word? "I like the mask because it hides my face!" Fuck you out of 10, indeed.

What do you think, which one deserves to be called worse?
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post #2 of 28
3/31/09 at 7:15pm
Zombie's HALLOWEEN is at least trying (and somewhat spectacularly failing) to do something with the property. Resurrection is just a soul-deadening cash grab. I'll take a wrong-headed attempt over a cynical stab at my wallet any day.
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post #3 of 28
3/31/09 at 7:22pm
Of course Halloween Resurrection is the worst. No question. It is terrible on every level. Like a very bad DTV movie. Like Aquafresh said, at least Rob Zombie's Halloween tried something.. and has some things that are interesting which makes it better hands down.
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post #4 of 28
3/31/09 at 7:41pm
I can at least enjoy Busta Rhymes fighting Michael on an ironic tongue in cheek level. I get no enjoyment whatsoever from the remake.
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post #5 of 28
3/31/09 at 7:44pm
I never saw HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION. So I'm gonna go with HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION.
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post #6 of 28
3/31/09 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by EL Wack View Post
I can at least enjoy Busta Rhymes fighting Michael on an ironic tongue in cheek level. I get no enjoyment whatsoever from the remake.
What about Danielle Harris's tits?
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post #7 of 28
3/31/09 at 7:45pm
Exactly, good notions don't actually make a good film. Sure I can APPRECIATE what Zombie was trying to do, but that doesn't automatically make it more enjoyable. For the record I don't like Resurrection either, but because one film had ambition it doesn't get a free pass on its execution.
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post #8 of 28
3/31/09 at 7:48pm
Resurrection is better, in the way that being called a dick is better than being called a cunt.
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post #9 of 28
3/31/09 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by Aquafresh View Post
What about Danielle Harris's tits?
Touché.
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post #10 of 28
3/31/09 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by DrVenkman View Post
Exactly, good notions don't actually make a good film. Sure I can APPRECIATE what Zombie was trying to do, but that doesn't automatically make it more enjoyable. For the record I don't like Resurrection either, but because one film had ambition it doesn't get a free pass on its execution.
But if both films are terrible, shouldn't ambition count for something, all things being equal? I guess it comes down to whether you get enjoyment out of ambitious mind-boggling stupidity or just mind-boggling stupidity.
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post #11 of 28
3/31/09 at 8:16pm
Aquafresh, Zombie's movie illustrates little other than an inability to escape reverence for the original. It's been ages since I watched Resurrection, but at least it's not a piss poor retread of a decades-old classic. The only thing I can think of off-hand that Zombie may have been "trying" was to drain a horror icon of what was left of its mystery and dread by explaining it to death.
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post #12 of 28
3/31/09 at 8:30pm
This is perhaps one of the toughest "Vs." subjects that my mind has ever wrestled with.

My gut instinct cries "Resurrection! Of course!" due to the inanity of it all, Busta Rhymes, the tension-less direction, and general ineptitude.

But reflecting on Rob Zombie's Halloween, the same issues emerge. Only swap Busta Rhymes for the three annoying-as-fuck female leads during the film's third act.

Tough call, really. One thing I am certain of, though, is that H20 is an underrated flick - It's nowhere near perfect, and it's fairly sanitized as far as Halloween flicks go, but it's involving and fun. Two qualities that the following sequels sorely lack.
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post #13 of 28
3/31/09 at 8:50pm
This is a bullshit attempt by Chris Myers to curry backhanded, retroactive apolo-gism for Zombie's Halloween! I'm not buyin' whatyer sellin' sonny. Move along. Hawk yer game elsewhere.

Ambition: the makers of Halloween: Resurrection painstakingly recreated the original Myers house on a soundstage. Ambitious! There's no ambition on display in Zombie's Halloween, only cocksure wrong-headedness. It's like a feature-length parody of what you would have thought Zombie would do with a Halloween film.

But now that it's out of the way, I can't WAIT to see that goddamn sequel.
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post #14 of 28
3/31/09 at 8:50pm
Both are abysmal, but Zombie's movie is fascinatingly abysmal, so it gets the Pyrrhic victory over Resurrection. Plus, as someone else alluded to, Zombie's movie has plentiful nudity which always helps.
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post #15 of 28
4/1/09 at 3:01am
Resurrection was bound to suck. We open up with them trying to explain away a beheaded Shape and then get to sit through a ridiculous attempt at doing an Internet reality horror film. Not much fun but I've said this in other Halloween remake vs. sequels arguments, at least it is consistent. There lies my biggest problem with Halloween (2007). I didn't like much of what Rob did but where the movie undoubtably failed to the point of no return was in abandoning whatever movie they were trying to make in the first hour and change and going to the Carpenter blueprint for the third act. Zombie wants to make a realistic serial killer movie complete with a fully-developed childhood origin tale then he pulls away and goes all ambigious with Michael. More over, the added time dedicated the "backstory" really didn't add anything of use to the remainder of the film. There's nothing we learn about him beyond the first 20 minutes of the movie that really brings any depth to him in the final hour so it all seems like wasted time to me. I really like Rob Zombie as a filmmaker but it always baffled me to the point of intrigue how he could get this thing so wrong.
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post #16 of 28
4/1/09 at 3:04am
I listened to the commentary track for Halloween: Resurrection and learned what "Alice blue" was.

Advantage: Halloween: Resurrection.
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post #17 of 28
4/1/09 at 3:21am
"Bitch, I will crawl over there and I will skull-fuck the shit outta you!"

vs.

"Michael Myers ain't no spin-off, tie-in, some kind of celebrity scandal. Michael Myers iz a killa shawk in baggy-ass overalls who gets his kicks killin' everythin' that he comes acraws."

Advantage: Suicide.

Actually, I kind of dig Brad Loree's Shape in Resurrection. In terms of body language and look I thought he was the closest to Nick Castle.
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post #18 of 28
4/1/09 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
I listened to the commentary track for Halloween: Resurrection and learned what "Alice blue" was.

Advantage: Halloween: Resurrection.
I have no idea what it means, but find this post hilarious.
Also, how did they explain Mikey's return in Resurrection?
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post #19 of 28
4/1/09 at 12:18pm
This is actually a pretty great question, especially since it's kind of impossible to answer. I've long been offended that Resurrection ruined the triumphant ending for Laurie Strode that H20 gave us, but in a way it could also be seen as a fitting end for her character. The rest of the movie has fuck all to do with the Myers mythos, and having him ultimately defeated by Busta Rhymes is like a kick in the balls.

Then we have Zombie's monstrosity, which can't even be enjoyed on an MST3K level. It's just ugly and dirty and endless and boring.

I guess that makes Resurrection the more watchable film. I'll take Jamie Lee Curtis and Katee Sackhoff over Shari Moon Zombie any day.

Mattioli: The beginning of Resurrection rewrites the ending of H20, showing that Michael killed a paramedic and took his place. Laurie actually beheaded a helpless paramedic with a crushed larynx in a Myers mask, while the real Michael wandered off.
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post #20 of 28
4/1/09 at 12:29pm
I'd like to introduce example A -- Resurrection is 88 minutes, Halloween 2007 is 121.
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post #21 of 28
4/1/09 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by Supremo View Post
Mattioli: The beginning of Resurrection rewrites the ending of H20, showing that Michael killed a paramedic and took his place. Laurie actually beheaded a helpless paramedic with a crushed larynx in a Myers mask, while the real Michael wandered off.
Oh, sweet merciful Zeus.
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post #22 of 28
4/1/09 at 1:51pm
I came into this thread planning to ask why this discussion of shitty movies didn't include Halloween 6, but then I remembered it actually had some good things going for it, such as Paul Rudd, Pleasance and some good kills. Still a terrible movie, but Academy Award-winning material when compared to HR and RZH.

But yeah, I'd have to give it Halloween Resurrection. Neither film works on any level, but as someone mentioned above, HR was nothing more than the product of the producer's greed. RZ's Halloween at least attempted to do something with the material but failed miserably.

I think I'm not alone when I say the best scene in RZH is Ken Foree's cameo, which provides a more enjoyable moment than any scene in HR.
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post #23 of 28
4/1/09 at 2:12pm
Resurrection has Michael Myers get zapped in the balls with electric wires, then has him friggin' HOWL in pain afterwards. Also it has the immortal line "Trick or treat muthafucka!" Which has forever been ingrained in my brain as well as my friend who I saw it with.

Zombie's was boring, stupid, and had William Forsthye all gimped out saying the name "Michelle!" over and over.


Edge and win to Halloween Resurrection.
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post #24 of 28
4/1/09 at 3:08pm
When i said Zombie's movie was worse than Ressurection, everybody jumped at me and said i was trolling, blah blah blah.

Now that you've seen the remake, the exact same people that bashed me embrace the idea just fine. What a bunch of hypocrites.
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post #25 of 28
4/1/09 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by Orin_Quon View Post
When i said Zombie's movie was worse than Ressurection, everybody jumped at me and said i was trolling, blah blah blah.

Now that you've seen the remake, the exact same people that bashed me embrace the idea just fine. What a bunch of hypocrites.
They changed their minds after seeing it and that makes them hypocrites?

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hypocrisy
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post #26 of 28
9/17/11 at 4:13pm

Halloween Ressurection has Busta Rhymes electrocuting Michael's dick off (with a silent NOO!!! in the background).

 

Case rested.

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post #27 of 28
9/17/11 at 5:59pm

Halloween Resurrection has Busta Rhymes yelling, with a Michael Myers mask on, "Got-damn it, what the hell does somebody gotta do to get a little decent help up in this mothafucka?"

 

Cracked my shit up for minutes on end.

 

Halloween '07 looks better in retrospect because it's the movie Zombie had to make in order to make Halloween II, which felt like the Halloween movie he wanted to make in the first place, and which I thought was quite good.

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post #28 of 28
9/22/11 at 10:41am

I'm going to side with Resurrection, even though I can't believe I'm saying that. RZH was just a mess from the get-go, the workprint actually was a little bit more interesting, but again the material from the getgo was handled wrong. I get really sick of hearing people scream and make noises at each other for 5 minutes, let alone the contractually-obligated 80 minutes that occurs in all of Rob Zombie's movies. 

 

Brad Loree (the Shape from H:R) I thought did a really kickass job as Michael Myers, he had a good size and great Nick Castle-esque movements. I liked Chris Durand in H2O alot too, but I think Loree sinches it for being the best Myers since the original. Tyler Mane just played him like a big, retarded, mountain man who I could really care less about. But chalk that up to the movie as a whole up to that point. 

 

I think the biggest misfire about the Halloween remake was not just having a whole movie about Loomis dealing with kid-Myers. Those sequences were pretty great, IMO, and actually showed that Zombie might have known how to handle the material ... before it flash-forwarded to the 'present' and it all went to shit. 

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