CHUD.com Community › Forums › CREATURE CORNER › Creature Corner Main › Possession: A Fate Worse Than Death?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Possession: A Fate Worse Than Death?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Driving hmoe from work tonight, I started thinking about whether being possessed - i.e., losing control of one's will and volition to some foreing entity in any form - is a fate worse than death.

Many films and stories imply it is; most zombie films contain at least a passing discussion of how little the characters like the idea of coming back as a zombie. And it seems they're less concerned with the idea of dying first, than they are with wandering around "like THAT", to quote Roger from DOTD.

We've seen various examples, from the demonic possession of films like "The Exorcist", with its horrific physical and mental changes, and the tendency of the demon(s) in question to make one do horrific things (uncharacteristically foul language in an otherwise innocent young girl, puking pea soup on a priest, spinning the head, masturbating with a crucifix, etc.) to somewhat more benign examples, such as Jonesey's possession by Mr. Grey in "Dreamcatcher". No physical change, but almost utter loss of control over one's actions to an alien intelligence intruding on one's mind.

Leaving aside the question of pain and torture involved in the dying, what scares you more: death in any form, or loss of control of one's body and mind? Does knowledge of what's going on (Jonesey presumably had knowledge of what Mr. Grey was doing with his body; Regan did not, if I recall correctly, and coming back as a zombie almost certainly does not involve any consciousness remaining) factor into it for you?

Personally, I'm actually not sure which scares me more. Death is unquestionably final. That cuts both ways; it means an end to your suffering, sure, but there's also no hope of continuing your existence. If you're possessed, there's at least some hope of coming back into control and continuing your life. But would possession for all eternity, with no hope of regaining control, or coming back after the entity in question has had its way with you and made a shambles of your life (eg., committed murders that get you thrown into prison or executed, killed all those you loved, or made you witness and get blamed for unspeakable atrocities, etc.) be worse? I honestly can't make up my mind. I think in my youth I would have said I'd prefer death without hesitation, but as I get older and face my own mortality from an ever shrinking distance. . . I'm nowhere near sure any more.

Opinions?
post #2 of 16
Thread Starter 
Helloooo? Is this thing on? *THUMP! THUMP!* Testing, Check 1 - 2 *whiiiiiIIIIIIINNNNNNNNEEEEEE!!!*

I guess it is on. . .
post #3 of 16
Hey, Ig. It seems to me that possession is the more horrifying. Possession is violation. It's rape. And not to downplay its significance, but death is simply an end. Leaving aside religious trappings for the moment, you die and it's over. There's no consequence for you, no impact to be dealt with. You simply cease to be.

So, the question becomes whether or not one is strong enough to overcome that sense of violation. If you are, you recover and life goes on. If not, then death becomes the preferable choice.
post #4 of 16
I think the greater fear is being someone who knows they're losing their mind or control of their body i.e. Dementia or Lou Gehrig's. Especially in the sense when the mind is there but the body fails and one is trapped in their own body. Where you have to make the choice about ending your life.
post #5 of 16
From the religious perspective, possession would be much worse. Not only are you a vehicle for an abomination, but its a testament to the sad state of your soul.

From the non-religious perspective, I think I agree with Mattioli on the violation aspect. You become a victim and geting over that may be hard. Some people would rather die than be raped.

Hocken brings up an interesting one though. The whole ALS, Alzheimers ordeal of being locked in your body scares the hell out of me.

This makes me want to watch Fallen again.
post #6 of 16
The thing with possession is that you don't know. Unless you saw footage of yourself doing such horrifying things. But then if it can be directly directly linked to some kind of force. It's not as terrifying as when it becomes more ambiguous. The issue of whether or not you know what's happening.
post #7 of 16
I'd rather be possessed than dead. Let's party.
post #8 of 16
Well we'll all be dead at some point. I wig myself out with that thought from time to time.
post #9 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by EdHocken View Post
The thing with possession is that you don't know. Unless you saw footage of yourself doing such horrifying things. But then if it can be directly directly linked to some kind of force. It's not as terrifying as when it becomes more ambiguous. The issue of whether or not you know what's happening.
I think that's one of the things that makes The Exorcist so horrifying. They take pains to show that Reagan knows exactly what's happening to her. She's locked inside and unable to do anything to stop Captain Howdy. The only thing she can do is scratch "Help me" into her stomach. It is to shudder.
Quote:
Well we'll all be dead at some point. I wig myself out with that thought from time to time.
Side note: In school, I ran for class president under the slogan, "Vote for Me. I'm dying." Beneath said slogan, in very small letters, I had printed, "Well, only in the metaphysical sense that we are all dying every day."
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Did you win?
post #11 of 16
I'm more afraid of being REPOSSESSED.



Seriously, though... it all depends on the WHO is possessing me and the WHY. TV's Supernatural teaches that demons aren't real interested in taking care of their host bodies, so in addition to committing terrible acts, you'll most likely die anyway (in that universe anyway).

What's also interesting with THE EXORCIST and NOTLD , etc isn't just the fear of meeting similar fates, it's seeing your loved ones go through the torture and transformation (it's almost a blaspheming of the sacred, the sanctity of family). Not only do I fear for my own mortality, but I'm terrible with separation anxiety when losing ones closest to me. Now if you're then forced to put them outta their misery as well (exorcism, death, etc)? Hoo boy. Heart-breaking.
post #12 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by IggytheBorg View Post
Did you win?
Elected to VP, although I got some weird stares from the professors, let me tell ya.
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
Way 2 B.

As to the topic at hand, I think it's a little harder to pull off possession scares really well. Fright caused by the possibility of straight up death are probably much, much easier to do. Which is why I guess you see more of this type of imagery.

That having been said, I think the scariest possession story - and I know I'm going out ona limb here, has to be The Exorcist. particularly for someone raised at least nominally Catholic, because the possessing entity is THE Devil. The big Kahuna of evil. The prospect of being in the devil's presence, let alone having him inside your mind & soul, has always freaked me the fuck out. What were some instances where you think possession as a horror device was pulled off well, in either film or literature?
post #14 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by IggytheBorg View Post
That having been said, I think the scariest possession story - and I know I'm going out ona limb here, has to be The Exorcist. particularly for someone raised at least nominally Catholic, because the possessing entity is THE Devil. The big Kahuna of evil. The prospect of being in the devil's presence, let alone having him inside your mind & soul, has always freaked me the fuck out.
As I've said a million times, I think The Exorcist is only truly terrifying to those raised in the Catholic church. I've never been so horrified by a film in my life and, yet, friends--from all walks of life--who were not raised in the Church look at me like I'm touched in the head for raving about how terrifying the film was.
post #15 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by IggytheBorg View Post
What were some instances where you think possession as a horror device was pulled off well, in either film or literature?
Does THE THING count? The ET isn't going apeshit to scare, but only as a defense mechanism. Most of the time, the tension is seriously ratcheted up because the alien is trying hard to blend in, hiding in plain sight. Not knowing who's under its control and thusly, who you can trust, is friggin scary. See also, INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS (more doubles than possession) for a similar terror.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
There's a fine hair splitting philosophical question; do things like The Thing's or the Body Snatcher's taking over your form, which I always assumed meant the extinguishing of your own consciousness, count as possession? Do you, after being taken over, continue "living" in some sense, or are you as good as dead in those cases, rendering that kind of takeover no real possession at all? Initially, I thought I'd say no, those don't count, but then I've already analogized to zombification as aform of possession. So because the Private thinks the Sergeant Major will beat him more if he reverses himself, SiR!, I'll say yes, they do count on at least some level, and they were very effective (although I haven't seen the latest incarnation of Body Snatchers; the 50's & 80's versions nailed it well enough).
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Creature Corner Main
CHUD.com Community › Forums › CREATURE CORNER › Creature Corner Main › Possession: A Fate Worse Than Death?