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post #1 of 24
4/5/09 at 4:01am
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Anybody watch this tonight?

Mostly a disappointment.

RUN D.M.C. didn't perform. No Jeff Beck Group reunion. One song all-star finale.

A lot of space cadets and awkward moments. Whose brilliant idea was it to let Ron Wood give an induction speech? I cringed uncomfortably for Bobby Womack.

Wanda Jackson was pretty cool. (Nice tribute from Rosanne Cash) But wow--I had no idea Jeff Beck was such a loon. Spooner Oldham was either stoned or suffering from mental illness.

Uncomfortable moments aplenty: DMC wrapping up a moving speech with the declaration that he'll be back in 25 yrs. as a solo artist. Mother of Jam Master Jay's rambling speech, a grammy plea from one of the Imperials(tongue-n- cheek aside, still tacky), Bill Black's hillbilly children, and Metallica in general. (Boy, did Flea overstate the case...)

Weird how Run D.M.C. downplayed Rick Rubin's role and Metallica made no mention of founding member Dave Mustaine.

What's the deal with Robert Trujillo, the current Metallica bassist from a rather uneventful and sliding period, being inducted along with, but when the Byrds were inducted essential members like Gram Parsons and Clarence White were left out??!! Lame. (know i shouldn't take Jann Wenner's little corporate institute seriously--The Eagles, Mellencamp and Billy Joel kill any credible elitism---but still a dumb inconsistency)

On the plus, Womack was smooth.

Little Anthony & the Imperials still have it!
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post #2 of 24
4/5/09 at 4:41am
I wouldn't say Trujillo is a part of the "uneventful and sliding period" because outside of touring with St. Anger the only album he's played on was Death Magnetic, which I would say regarding the album is a quite a large leap in the right direction musically for them.
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post #3 of 24
4/5/09 at 5:06am
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I wouldn't say Trujillo is a part of the "uneventful and sliding period" because outside of touring with St. Anger the only album he's played on was Death Magnetic, which I would say regarding the album is a quite a large leap in the right direction musically for them.
Agreed.
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post #4 of 24
4/5/09 at 5:57am
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I wouldn't say Trujillo is a part of the "uneventful and sliding period" because outside of touring with St. Anger the only album he's played on was Death Magnetic, which I would say regarding the album is a quite a large leap in the right direction musically for them.
But come on. If you're inducting members of the group into the HALL OF FAME, shouldn't it be the guys who made the best music? Death Magnetic is better than the shit they've been doing for a while, but it's still fucking nonsense.
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post #5 of 24
4/5/09 at 6:51am
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But come on. If you're inducting members of the group into the HALL OF FAME, shouldn't it be the guys who made the best music? Death Magnetic is better than the shit they've been doing for a while, but it's still fucking nonsense.
Yep. I've heard he's an amazing musician, but you sure as fuck can't tell on the last two discs(where much of the bass is inaudible). He even gets pretty much all the bass "credit" on the recent "Guitar Hero: Metallica" game.
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post #6 of 24
4/5/09 at 2:59pm
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When they inducted The Allman Brothers Band, Chuck Leavell and Warren Haynes weren't included. And although I'm not a fan, the post-Ozzy, Dio-led Sabbath members got short changed as well.

Anyway you look at it, Trujillo's a head scratcher.
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post #7 of 24
4/5/09 at 3:28pm
From Rolling Stone , Jason Newstead says:

“There’s three bass players getting inducted (edit: this is including Ron McGovney), and James, Lars and Kirk,” he says. Former guitarist Dave Mustaine, who now fronts Megadeth, will not be inducted, however. “Its not my decision. I have nothing to do with that. It was decided by the band, and I think it was just a hard-and-fast rule… anyone who has recorded on any Metallica recordings that have been released to the public as an official release were invited to the induction. So, that’s kind of that.”
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post #8 of 24
4/5/09 at 3:41pm
3 Including Ron McGovney??? Shouldn't it be 4 with Cliff Burton being inducted posthumously?
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post #9 of 24
4/5/09 at 4:36pm
I think he means that the three include Burton, Newstead and Trujillo. Too bad they don't take into effect that Mustaine did play on a release and wrote a number of their songs on the first albums.
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post #10 of 24
4/5/09 at 6:01pm
I was just talking with somebody about this the other day. I didn't know it was actually the bands who decided who got inducted, I always thought it was the Rock Hall/Jann Wenner who picked which individual members got in based on influence and contributions to the band.
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post #11 of 24
4/5/09 at 6:02pm
There is nothing less rock and roll than being inducted into a hall of fame. Why do people care about this shit?
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post #12 of 24
4/5/09 at 7:27pm
I was just saying Trujillo shouldn't really be considered a part their uneventful and sliding period, that's all.
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post #13 of 24
4/5/09 at 7:31pm
Check out Infectious Grooves if you want to see what a beast Trujillo is. Fucking fantastic bass player.
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post #14 of 24
4/5/09 at 7:43pm
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There is nothing less rock and roll than being inducted into a hall of fame. Why do people care about this shit?
Each year I root for a Mike Love moment. Show up with a chip on your shoulder, insult and challenge the other bands. That's rock n roll!
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post #15 of 24
4/5/09 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
But come on. If you're inducting members of the group into the HALL OF FAME, shouldn't it be the guys who made the best music? Death Magnetic is better than the shit they've been doing for a while, but it's still fucking nonsense.
If that's the case then Newsted shouldn't be inducted either, he wasn't involved in "making" any of their music. I like the guy but he basically just played what he was told.
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post #16 of 24
4/5/09 at 8:09pm
He did get writing credit for three songs.
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post #17 of 24
4/5/09 at 9:02pm
I guess McGovney would make it 4, but whatever. Apparently he played on an early version of 'Hit the Lights'.

I'm with Russ.
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post #18 of 24
4/5/09 at 10:50pm
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He did get writing credit for three songs.
Which three? I'm curious.
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post #19 of 24
4/5/09 at 10:56pm
'Blackened' and 'My Friend of Misery', at least.
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post #20 of 24
4/5/09 at 10:56pm
"Where the Wild Things Are" is the third one.
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post #21 of 24
4/5/09 at 11:20pm
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I guess McGovney would make it 4, but whatever. Apparently he played on an early version of 'Hit the Lights'.

I'm with Russ.
So did Mustaine.
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post #22 of 24
4/6/09 at 4:43am
It really is too bad that they didn't let Newstead write more for the band- he wrote pretty much everything on the first Flotsam and Jetsam album.
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post #23 of 24
4/6/09 at 6:02pm
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It really is too bad that they didn't let Newstead write more for the band- he wrote pretty much everything on the first Flotsam and Jetsam album.
That album is OK but the songs are a bit samey; the band really grew on the 2nd album (which Newsted wrote about half the songs on).

Really, when you see what has come out, Newsted got his dream job - bassist in Metallica - only to essentially be punished for not being Cliff Burton for the next decade-and-a-half.

Without dragging this into another Metallica slugfest, I think most people are of the opinion that Cliff would've kept Lars and James honest.
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post #24 of 24
4/6/09 at 6:44pm
Y'know, I should read more carefully next time. McGovney was at the ceremony, but not inducted.
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