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post #201 of 344
7/26/09 at 1:21pm
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Not a bad debut for LaRoche and Lester threw a great game last night. And the fucking Yankees finally lost.

Ugh, every time we go into the All Star Break at the top of the standings we start sucking, why is that?
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post #202 of 344
7/26/09 at 1:26pm
i don't know, but i'm trying to figure out a way to blame it on lugo still.

i read a story in the globe the other day that said the reason they traded for laroche is that it allowed them to hold onto a bunch of their major chips. and the writer offered that this may be a sign that they're trying to make some kind of blockbuster deal before next week. I don't really buy it, but what do you guys think?
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post #203 of 344
7/26/09 at 11:31pm
Would it be worth it trading for Doc Halliday? J P wants A LOT.
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post #204 of 344
7/26/09 at 11:39pm
or even V-mart or adrian gonzalez? i've heard all three and i shudder to think what it might take to get any one of them. and yet, it might be a good idea to make a deal, if these current woes somehow continue
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post #205 of 344
7/26/09 at 11:55pm
In. Theo. We. Trust.
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post #206 of 344
7/27/09 at 12:40am
damn straight!
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post #207 of 344
7/27/09 at 1:08am
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Would it be worth it trading for Doc Halliday? J P wants A LOT.
Ain't gonna happen, not in a million years. And I'm fine with that. Don't get me wrong, he's an amazing pitcher but we'd be giving up too much for him. And we have great pitching already. Not worth it.
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post #208 of 344
7/27/09 at 5:09pm
Agreed. Our pitching is deep; Lester and Beckett, Buchholz on reserve, Masterson in the bullpen, and guys like Casey Kelly on the horizon. What we do need, however, is a bat.
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post #209 of 344
7/28/09 at 12:05am
This puts me in the minority, i know, but i just don't think that clay buchholz is as phenomenal as we've all thought that he is. He had a plain bad season last year, and what we've seen of him in the majors so far this year hasn't been all that hot. He has the talent and the tools, and i'd love to see him put it together, but i don't know if he will. and honestly, if trading him brings someone that will help us win the world series this year, i won't be TOO broken up over it.
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post #210 of 344
7/29/09 at 11:23pm
C'mon, YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUK!
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post #211 of 344
7/30/09 at 2:11pm
Bosox big bats juiced in '03:

http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal..._ortiz_ra.html
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post #212 of 344
7/30/09 at 3:13pm
2003 and 2007 Red Sox*
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post #213 of 344
7/30/09 at 3:54pm
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I'm trying my damnedest not to be smug right now.
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post #214 of 344
7/30/09 at 4:10pm
I'm sure the rational will be that everyone was using but Ortiz didn't become what he was till the roids.

Wonder who else on the BoSox was using and why can't someone just leak the entire list?
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post #215 of 344
7/30/09 at 4:16pm
Maybe they were throwing back more than whiskey before their Yankees comeback.
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post #216 of 344
7/30/09 at 4:19pm
GLOAT GLOAT GLOAT GLOAT GLOAT

Seriously though, not much of a surprise, obviously, and it's not like the Yanks weren't tripping over syringes in the clubhouse during those years either. It's a shame Ortiz apparently attended the Rafael Palmeiro School of Career Suicide, though.
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post #217 of 344
7/30/09 at 5:00pm
No wonder Ortiz stinks now.
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post #218 of 344
7/30/09 at 8:17pm
Ya know, this really sucks. I'm not gonna lie. I'm seriously disappointed. The first baseball Jersey I ever bought was an Ortiz. This taints his name, his legend, the team, the World Series wins and the game in general.

I'm not going to defend the guy. I'm not going to use the "everybody does it" bullshit.

But here's two things I really believe. 1) Using steroids is wrong and shouldn't be allowed in MLB. 2) Using steroids doesn't invalidate everything about an incredible, legendary baseball player. It's not a super drug. It's not a miracle drug. Is it "performance enhancing?" Yes. But come on. When are people going to get real about this?
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post #219 of 344
7/30/09 at 8:22pm
I'm really getting tired of the slow, steady leak of names. At some point I just wish they'd get all the names out there and get it over with.
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post #220 of 344
7/30/09 at 9:29pm
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post
It's not a miracle drug. Is it "performance enhancing?" Yes. But come on. When are people going to get real about this?
Just look at his stats pre 2003. He was an average player and then he exploded. He really benefited from the drugs.

Makes me glad the Cubs didn't win a title with Sosa.
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post #221 of 344
7/30/09 at 10:09pm
Big Papi's denying all, apparently.
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post #222 of 344
7/30/09 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post
Just look at his stats pre 2003. He was an average player and then he exploded. He really benefited from the drugs.

Makes me glad the Cubs didn't win a title with Sosa.
Yeah, I used to subscribe to the "it doesn't make bad players good" theory but, uh, apparently it does.
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post #223 of 344
7/30/09 at 10:17pm
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Yeah, I used to subscribe to the "it doesn't make bad players good" theory but, uh, apparently it does.
Two words-Brady Anderson.
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post #224 of 344
7/30/09 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post
Two words-Brady Anderson.
Ha! I swear I considered adding "see also: Brady Anderson".
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post #225 of 344
7/30/09 at 10:36pm
Me thinks Yankee fans are going to make today an official holiday in the "Yankee Universe". Get a day off..exchange gits..and "where were you when you heard the news.."

This is the first chapter in "The Curse of Julio Lugo"
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post #226 of 344
7/30/09 at 10:45pm
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Me thinks Yankee fans are going to make today an official holiday in the "Yankee Universe". Get a day off..exchange gits..and "where were you when you heard the news.."

This is the first chapter in "The Curse of Julio Lugo"
I can't speak for all Yankee fans, but personally I don't give a shit. I don't think it tarnishes Boston's championships and it certainly doesn't invalidate them, as much as I'd love to be able to chant "1918" again.

There's testing now so we can be reasonably sure that the players are clean now (well... except Manny, but he's not on the Red Sox any more so I don't care) so that's all I'm focused on now. 2003 was so six years ago.
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post #227 of 344
7/31/09 at 5:12pm
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I can't speak for all Yankee fans, but personally I don't give a shit. I don't think it tarnishes Boston's championships and it certainly doesn't invalidate them, as much as I'd love to be able to chant "1918" again.

There's testing now so we can be reasonably sure that the players are clean now (well... except Manny, but he's not on the Red Sox any more so I don't care) so that's all I'm focused on now. 2003 was so six years ago.
It doesn't do anything to their titles. It's part of the era and we have to assume everyone was doing it, so it was a level playing field. Seriously, who gives a shit.

Even better, the test was in 2003. The Sox lost in 2003. Good thing Papi and Manny (uh..maybe he started again in LA??) stopped using after they tested positive in 2003.

Anyway, the Sox pick up VMart from the Tribe. Considering Buchholz, Bowden and Bard are still on the team, it's a great trade for the Sox. They also swapped LaRoche for Kotchman (Atlanta). I like that trade as well.
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post #228 of 344
7/31/09 at 5:20pm
THIS is how you should do it

Bronson Arroyo, a former Boston Red Sox teammate of Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz, said he would not be surprised to find his name on a list of 104 ballplayers who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, after he had heard a then-legal supplement he was using was tainted with steroids, the Boston Herald reported.
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post #229 of 344
7/31/09 at 5:29pm
Admitting to not knowing he was on steroids is how you do it? You actually believe that? That's the same excuse Barry Bonds is using.

Martinez is a great pick up.
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post #230 of 344
7/31/09 at 7:17pm
"Shop smart..shop V- Mart"

No three team trade at the deadline? oh well....
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post #231 of 344
8/1/09 at 10:35pm
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Originally Posted by Poulsonator View Post
It doesn't do anything to their titles. It's part of the era and we have to assume everyone was doing it, so it was a level playing field. Seriously, who gives a shit.

Even better, the test was in 2003. The Sox lost in 2003. Good thing Papi and Manny (uh..maybe he started again in LA??) stopped using after they tested positive in 2003.
I think many people would argue that first point. Perhaps the Sox are as corrupt as a few people have been saying for a while? If nothing else, it helps erase the unfortunate tendency Sox fans have to act as if their shit don't stink.

But nice job giving Papi a standing 'O'. Since the dude knew a year ago and is still acting like he knows nothing.
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post #232 of 344
8/3/09 at 12:19pm
The Globe's Dan Shaughnessy banged out a pretty savage column in response to the news of Ortiz's hypocrisy. While I disagree that this tarnishes 2004 and 2007, I pretty much am on board with him regarding everything else. It's going to take a long time for Sox fans to get over this.

In other news, Martinez seems to be working out. So...good!
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post #233 of 344
8/5/09 at 1:01am
Is anyone else watching this game? JESUS! And this is just the first of the long, important road show. We're not gonna have anything left for the next seven games! WIN! WIN already!

EDIT: Ugh............
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post #234 of 344
8/6/09 at 1:33am
motherfuck.
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post #235 of 344
8/6/09 at 1:39am
Do you Sox fans feel a chill when Longoria steps up to the plate?
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post #236 of 344
8/6/09 at 3:00am
no, just when they hang pitches to him.
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post #237 of 344
8/6/09 at 10:12am
Well..Sox Yanks Thunderdome starts tonight. Any chance Tina Turner can sing the National Anthem? Seventh inning stretch? Im ging to be at a sports bar tonight (CT is half Sox and half Yanks territory)..always interesting
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post #238 of 344
8/7/09 at 2:56pm
Not pleased about the loss. It's not because we finally lost to the Yanks-- it was bound to happen eventually-- but because losing to the Yanks means dealing with the "OH MY GOD IT'S FUCKING ARMAGEDDON" follow-up spewed by over-anxious Sox fans.

I'm not happy with our recent backslide, but there's still plenty of season left. I will say that I'm sort of done with Smoltz, though. Love the guy, but it sure ain't '91 anymore.
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post #239 of 344
8/7/09 at 4:38pm
Fuck Smoltz. He's too old and he's a homophobe. Two strikes you're out in his case.

Miserable game last night, but yeah...not the end of the world. I was more pissed about the Tampa Bay games, honestly. I'm sick of not being able to win at Tropicana Field.
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post #240 of 344
8/7/09 at 4:40pm
He got his fastball to the low-90's but it really does look like he's done. How many more starts do you think the Sox give him?
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post #241 of 344
8/7/09 at 4:41pm
I am from the greatest state in the union but can't bring myself to care. My mom is into the red socks though
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post #242 of 344
8/7/09 at 5:29pm
Putting in the DVD from 2004 comback against the yanks-takes me to a happy place. Either that or Vodka.

The loss hurt-but hey-gotta take it in stride. Youk in LF, Smoltz pitching, if the Yanks had lost (and they tried early on), that would have been a bad day for the Yanks.
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post #243 of 344
8/7/09 at 6:29pm
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He got his fastball to the low-90's but it really does look like he's done. How many more starts do you think the Sox give him?
Good question. Probably more than I would. Maybe-- maybe-- he'll peak in the Fall, which I think is what the Sox have in mind for him. If that's the case, then he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

As for him being a homophobe-- yeah, sure, but I don't like the guy for his winning personality. I like him for his pitching (not his pitching now, his pitching back in the day). As a guy, well, let's just say there are a lot of other members of the Red Sox who I'd much rather hang out with-- such as Youk, the only Jew in the world who can successfully wear a handlebar mustache.

And I definitely agree about Tropicana field. Very frustrating.
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post #244 of 344
8/7/09 at 6:37pm
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My mom is into the red socks though
who?

edit: in all seriousness, watching a game while sitting in a fenway seat will convert just about anyone.
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post #245 of 344
8/7/09 at 6:52pm
Sonic, nevermind my answer to your question, I somehow missed that Smoltz has been designated for assignment.
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post #246 of 344
8/8/09 at 1:55pm
well, I think we can all agree THAT one was rough....

but daniel bard gives me butterflies when he pitches. the guy is electric even over the fucking RADIO.
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post #247 of 344
8/8/09 at 7:22pm
Ugh, Molina just drove in a run, making it 2-0 Yanks. Might as well be 12-0. I'm shocked by how far the Sox have fallen. Youks in LF? I mean, that's just the tip of the iceberg of suck that's been going on for months. I would say this feels like 2006, but that would be doing 2006 an injustice. 2009 is shaping up to be it's own crazy animal.

If the Yanks hold on to win (and they are something like 46-1 when leading after 6 this year), and the Rangers win, the Rangers will tie the Sox for the Wild Card. Considering the Sox can't beat Texas (amongst many other teams), and the Sox head to Texas for 3 next week, it's gonna get a lot uglier.

So many holes. Theo's gonna earn his money, starting 2 months ago.
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post #248 of 344
8/8/09 at 9:29pm
Well..this might shake some off the "Bandwagon"

I still think that LAA Angels are gonna put a hurt on the Yanks (think=hope)

If the Rangers get any quality pitching..
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post #249 of 344
8/10/09 at 10:15am
Well, that was ugly. I understand that Papi's juicing hung heavy over the clubhouse during a grueling road trip, but that's really no excuse for the play we saw over the course of that series.

Of course, Red Sox Nation is shitting the bed according to this here poll at Globe.com, which is sort of what I expect. On the other hand, Massarotti managed to surprise me by producing a column highlighting the cool-under-pressure demeanor of Francona, who really shines when things are looking their bleakest.

At least one good thing has come out of this trip: Smoltz is (probably) out. I'm sort of wondering what our record would look like if someone else (read: someone not over-the-hill) had been pitching during the games he started.

Oh, I stand corrected about Mazz.
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post #250 of 344
8/12/09 at 8:38pm
Remy in the booth! Nice! And he's hoping to be back for the playoffs. Ugh, just when the games get more national attention. Oh well, better late them never. It's good to see him looking healthy.

I feel like after that awful road trip we're becoming a team again. Nothing like a bench clearing brawl to pull the shit back together.

Mike fucking Lowell. Just hit another homerun. That man should never retire.
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