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post #1 of 103
4/10/09 at 10:51am
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090410/D97FIQ001.html

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NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) - Escalating a dramatic Indian Ocean standoff, more U.S. warships - as well as pirate reinforcements with an international gallery of hostages - rushed Friday toward the spot where four Somali bandits are holding a U.S. sea captain aboard a drifting lifeboat.

The pirates apparently fear being shot or arrested if they hand over Capt. Richard Phillips - captured in a failed effort to seize the Maersk Alabama on Wednesday - and hope to link up with their colleagues who are using Russian, German, Filipino and other hostages captured in recent days as human shields.

U.S. Central Command chief Gen. David Petraeus said U.S. warships also are headed to the area, more than 300 miles (480 kilometers) off Somalia's Indian Ocean coast.

"We want to ensure that we have all the capability that might be needed over the course of the coming days," he said.


Pirates have been holding Phillips hostage aboard the lifeboat since his crew thwarted the attack Wednesday on the 17,000-ton U.S.-flagged Maersk Alabama.

Mohamed Samaw, a Somali resident of the pirate stronghold in central Eyl town, who claims to have a "share" in a British-owned ship hijacked Monday, said four foreign ships previously captured by pirates are heading toward the lifeboat. A total of 54 hostages are on two of the ships, citizens of China, Germany, Russia, Ukraine, the Philippines, Tuvalu, Indonesia and Taiwan.

"The pirates have summoned assistance - skiffs and motherships are heading towards the area from the coast," said a Nairobi-based diplomat, who spoke on condition on anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media. "We knew they were gathering yesterday."

Samaw said two ships left Eyl on Wednesday afternoon. A third sailed from Haradhere, another pirate base in central Somalia, and the fourth one was a Taiwanese fishing vessel seized Monday that was already only 30 miles (48 kilometers) from the lifeboat.
So, apparently the pirates on the life raft have sent out Jack Sparrow to summon all the Pirates they can find to fend off against the entire US Naval fleet in the region. I honestly want to know what the mothership looks like... I have images in my mind of a Waterworld type floating city.

I have two words to solve this 'incident'

Navy and Seal.
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post #2 of 103
4/10/09 at 12:13pm
I read a report this morning saying that one of the US ships heading there had a full SEAL contingent. This story has some major undertones and how it plays out will have bigger implications that just the pirate situation. This is now a US hostage situation and the question will be how the Obama admin reacts. In my opinion they better resolve it before the other pirate ships get there because then it becomes a serious internation incident if the pirates threaten to kill their non-US hostages on the other ships if the Navy doesn't let the lifeboat go. If the US pays off the pirates, or lets them go without getting back the captain then you're going to hear "Jimmy Carter-like" when they discuss Obama's negotiation skills in these situations. And that is the last thing he wants or needs.
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post #3 of 103
4/10/09 at 3:51pm
A lot more to this story than Jack Sparrow-style pirates:

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Take this fact: Over $300 million worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are "being stolen every year by illegal trawlers" off Somalia's coast, forcing the fishing industry there into a state of virtual non-existence.

But it isn't just the theft of seafood. Nuclear dumping has polluted the environment. "In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed," wrote Johann Hari in The Independent. "Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since -- and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas."

According to Hari:

As soon as the [Somali] government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.
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This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia -- and ordinary Somalis agree. The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence."


As the media coverage of the pirates has increased, private security companies like Xe/Blackwater have stepped in, seeing profits. A few months ago, Blackwater executives flew to London to meet with shipping company executives about protecting their ships from pirate attacks. In October, the company deployed the MacArthur, its "private sector warship equipped with helicopters" to the Gulf of Aden. "We have been contacted by shipowners who say they need our help in making sure goods get to their destination," said the company's executive vice-president, Bill Matthews. "The McArthur can help us accomplish that."
More here and an interview with one of the pirates here.
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post #4 of 103
4/10/09 at 3:55pm
The Mafia began as neighborhood/village protection societies as well.
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post #5 of 103
4/10/09 at 4:09pm
I'm not defending what they're doing, I'm saying the whole story isn't being reported. No one gave a rat's ass about Somalia when people were dying and their resources being exploited by vastly more rich and powerful countries. They started this to protect themselves and it evolved into something criminal, but everyone's acting like this is so funny and the Somalis are all going around saying "argh!" and doing this half for fun and half for malice, and it ain't so in the slightest.

This story is the definition of the crisis in Africa -- rich nations exploiting poor for their resources and lack of any kind of governance, and the native population essentially helpless to do anything about it and virtually alone in the world.
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post #6 of 103
4/10/09 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
I'm not defending what they're doing, I'm saying the whole story isn't being reported. No one gave a rat's ass about Somalia when people were dying and their resources being exploited by vastly more rich and powerful countries. They started this to protect themselves and it evolved into something criminal, but everyone's acting like this is so funny and the Somalis are all going around saying "argh!" and doing this half for fun and half for malice, and it ain't so in the slightest.

This story is the definition of the crisis in Africa -- rich nations exploiting poor for their resources and lack of any kind of governance, and the native population essentially helpless to do anything about it and virtually alone in the world.
Well, in Somalia's case, they really don't have any resources to speak of in the first place. Whenever anyone attempts to intervene in that country horrible things happen to them anyway.
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post #7 of 103
4/10/09 at 6:50pm
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and the native population essentially helpless to do anything about it and virtually alone in the world
Considering what happened when the world tried to help Somalia in 19992-93, you can't blame the world for having a "fuck them, we tried to help and look what happened" attitude toward the Somalis.

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I'm not defending what they're doing,
Bullshit. That is exactly what you are doing under the guise of "explaining".
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post #8 of 103
4/10/09 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
I have two words to solve this 'incident'

Navy and Seal.
While I agree the Navy could be of some assistance, I fail to see how Seal could help. Granted he bagged a hot white wife, but that skill seems useless in this situation. Unless you think his sexy slow jams will ease tensions.
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post #9 of 103
4/10/09 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
Well, in Somalia's case, they really don't have any resources to speak of in the first place. Whenever anyone attempts to intervene in that country horrible things happen to them.
Correct.
I love the way some people try to apply standard political rhetoric in situations where is just does not fit.
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post #10 of 103
4/10/09 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
Well, in Somalia's case, they really don't have any resources to speak of in the first place. Whenever anyone attempts to intervene in that country horrible things happen to them.
$300 million worth of tuna, shrimp and lobster and "free" toxic waste dumping are what the rich countries are stealing from Somalia.
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post #11 of 103
4/10/09 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
Well, in Somalia's case, they really don't have any resources to speak of in the first place. Whenever anyone attempts to intervene in that country horrible things happen to them.
Somalia has plenty of natural resources including uranium, iron ore, tin, gypsum, bauxite, copper and probable oil reserves.

All are pretty much unexploited because the political system is so volatile. No mining company would risk investing serious money in such a dangerous place.
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post #12 of 103
4/11/09 at 12:09am
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
$300 million worth of tuna, shrimp and lobster and "free" toxic waste dumping are what the rich countries are stealing from Somalia.

Yeah, you are really not defending the actions of the pirates.
What next? Defending the 11 hijackers on 9/11?
Oh, I forgot you are a 9/11 Truther, It all fits.
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post #13 of 103
4/11/09 at 12:12am
This is getting really hairy. Now other hijacked ships are heading toward the rowboat with hostages on board,in hopes of getting the Captain on board and heading toward Somalia.
This is reaching a crisis point.
Prediction;If the captain ends up in Somalia, this will be a political disaster for Obama.
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post #14 of 103
4/11/09 at 12:18am
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
This is getting really hairy. Now other hijacked ships are heading toward the rowboat with hostages on board,in hopes of getting the Captain on board and heading toward Somalia.
This is reaching a crisis point.
Prediction;If the captain ends up in Somalia, this will be a political disaster for Obama.
It'll be a political disaster if he ends up paying a ransom as well.

They should simply have Navy Seals swim up underneath the raft and poke holes in it.
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post #15 of 103
4/11/09 at 12:43am
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This is precisely the reason why you have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!
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post #16 of 103
4/11/09 at 1:19am
Watching this on the news is ridiculous. Audio of angry news talking heads going on about why these Somalis dare pull shit like this, paired with... stock video footage of Somali pirates so emaciated they make Ziggy Sobotka look like Proposition Joe Stewart. Yeah, why are they doing this? I'm no pussy when it comes to use of force but anyone with a grain of humanity understands that this shit is a product of their environment, and like all forms of violent crime it won't stop until the conditions are improved, no matter what resources we direct in a reactionary manner short of WMDs.

People go on about Somalis having no respect for human life, but it's hard to imagine not having a different understanding after watching a huge chunk of your population starve to death or get butchered in ethnic strife right in front of you.
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post #17 of 103
4/11/09 at 1:59am
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Originally Posted by Stormin View Post
Watching this on the news is ridiculous. Audio of angry news talking heads going on about why these Somalis dare pull shit like this, paired with... stock video footage of Somali pirates so emaciated they make Ziggy Sobotka look like Proposition Joe Stewart. Yeah, why are they doing this? I'm no pussy when it comes to use of force but anyone with a grain of humanity understands that this shit is a product of their environment, and like all forms of violent crime it won't stop until the conditions are improved, no matter what resources we direct in a reactionary manner short of WMDs.

People go on about Somalis having no respect for human life, but it's hard to imagine not having a different understanding after watching a huge chunk of your population starve to death or get butchered in ethnic strife right in front of you.
It's not the pirates who don't have a respect for life, it's al-Shabaab and some of these other crazy gangs in Somalia who are conducting suicide bombings on humanitarian workers.
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post #18 of 103
4/11/09 at 2:32am
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Considering what happened when the world tried to help Somalia in 19992-93, you can't blame the world for having a "fuck them, we tried to help and look what happened" attitude toward the Somalis.
Sure you can.

Fuck them...we tried to help... Do you read yourself typing?

Despite never having met, I feel like I remember 'you' from high school. You were the guy who wore camo pants and the "Kill em all, Let God sort em out!" shirt in gym, right?
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post #19 of 103
4/11/09 at 2:53am
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
Sure you can.

Fuck them...we tried to help... Do you read yourself typing?

Despite never having met, I feel like I remember 'you' from high school. You were the guy who wore camo pants and the "Kill em all, Let God sort em out!" shirt in gym, right?
No, that was me and my friends back in the day, actually, and oddly enough a few were thoroughly anti-war.

The people who hold the quoted kind of opinion usually aren't very passionate about these things one way or another. The banality of evil, etc.
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post #20 of 103
4/11/09 at 3:19am
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Originally Posted by Stormin View Post
Watching this on the news is ridiculous. Audio of angry news talking heads going on about why these Somalis dare pull shit like this, paired with... stock video footage of Somali pirates so emaciated they make Ziggy Sobotka look like Proposition Joe Stewart. Yeah, why are they doing this? I'm no pussy when it comes to use of force but anyone with a grain of humanity understands that this shit is a product of their environment, and like all forms of violent crime it won't stop until the conditions are improved, no matter what resources we direct in a reactionary manner short of WMDs.

People go on about Somalis having no respect for human life, but it's hard to imagine not having a different understanding after watching a huge chunk of your population starve to death or get butchered in ethnic strife right in front of you.
How dare you think independently and point out the elephant in the room around here!
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post #21 of 103
4/11/09 at 3:25am
Uh, it's no big secret that they're doing this for money. There's no elephant in the room as to how bad the conditions in Somalia are, everyone recognizes it however it's not something that can be fixed overnight, it'll take decades. The only short term solution is to send an occupation / relief force over there much like we did in the 90s, however we all know how many political careers can be ruined if we get pulled into something bigger than we anticipate or if public opinion is against it.
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post #22 of 103
4/11/09 at 3:42am
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
I have two words to solve this 'incident'

Navy and Seal.
YES

so...if this stuff is happening out in International waters, what is stopping a country from going out there with their war ships and putting an end to this Pirate business..
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post #23 of 103
4/11/09 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick View Post
YES

so...if this stuff is happening out in International waters, what is stopping a country from going out there with their war ships and putting an end to this Pirate business..
Nothing...the UN has already said if countries want to go over there and kill some pirates they have permission, it's just an issue of logistics and not wanting to get pulled into a bigger conflict. It's not like people want to go on land and fight these guys, it's very difficult to track them once they get back to the shore and disperse amongst the crowds. You can end up investing more resources than you'd lose in simply losing a ship of cargo or paying a ransom. The political will isn't there to conduct any major operations yet, however if more US ships are hijacked we may see it develop.

The solution to this is to simply use private contractors like Blackwater (or Xe or whatever they're called now) as security for these ships.
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post #24 of 103
4/11/09 at 10:17am
I always liked the idea of setting a trap for these Pirates, out fit a cargo ship with means to defend it's self, have trained personal to man the guns and send it out to draw them in. No need to go onto land to find them, once you put the fear into them, there could be a chance of less and less attacks given they might be more cautious in who they pick to hijack.
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post #25 of 103
4/11/09 at 12:10pm
France takes action. 1 hostage and 2 pirates dead, but 4 hostages free and several pirates captured. I don't get to say this often, but Go France!
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post #26 of 103
4/11/09 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick View Post
I always liked the idea of setting a trap for these Pirates, out fit a cargo ship with means to defend it's self, have trained personal to man the guns and send it out to draw them in. No need to go onto land to find them, once you put the fear into them, there could be a chance of less and less attacks given they might be more cautious in who they pick to hijack.
The potential downside to that is that them pirates may be more aggressive in the future when attacking ships manned by civilians only. Civilian deaths are no fun.
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post #27 of 103
4/11/09 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by Stormin View Post
Watching this on the news is ridiculous. Audio of angry news talking heads going on about why these Somalis dare pull shit like this, paired with... stock video footage of Somali pirates so emaciated they make Ziggy Sobotka look like Proposition Joe Stewart. Yeah, why are they doing this? I'm no pussy when it comes to use of force but anyone with a grain of humanity understands that this shit is a product of their environment, and like all forms of violent crime it won't stop until the conditions are improved, no matter what resources we direct in a reactionary manner short of WMDs.

People go on about Somalis having no respect for human life, but it's hard to imagine not having a different understanding after watching a huge chunk of your population starve to death or get butchered in ethnic strife right in front of you.

So until all the problems of the world are solved we just let violent criminals get away with it?
Thanks for reminding me why I am not a Liberal.
I am not a conservtive either...I despised Bush...I guess I am just sick of ideologues of all stripes. particularly those who love to stereotype as dumb and evil anybody who disagrees with them.
I like CHUD, but I seldom get involved with political discussions because of the Left Wing Orthodoxy that seems to have taken hold here.
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post #28 of 103
4/11/09 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by The Closer View Post
The potential downside to that is that them pirates may be more aggressive in the future when attacking ships manned by civilians only. Civilian deaths are no fun.

They are getting more aggresive anyway.
Hint: When Criminals get away with stuff, they get more agrresive.
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post #29 of 103
4/11/09 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
Uh, it's no big secret that they're doing this for money. There's no elephant in the room as to how bad the conditions in Somalia are, everyone recognizes it however it's not something that can be fixed overnight, it'll take decades. The only short term solution is to send an occupation / relief force over there much like we did in the 90s, however we all know how many political careers can be ruined if we get pulled into something bigger than we anticipate or if public opinion is against it.
No country on earth wants to send peacekeepers into Somalia after what happened in the 1990's...and for good reason.
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post #30 of 103
4/11/09 at 12:54pm
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No, that was me and my friends back in the day, actually, and oddly enough a few were thoroughly anti-war.

The people who hold the quoted kind of opinion usually aren't very passionate about these things one way or another. The banality of evil, etc.
So anybody who thinks something should be done about these pirates is evil?

God, I am beginning to dislike the left as much as I do the right for the same reason: arrongance and an incredible contempt toward anybody who dares disagree with them.
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post #31 of 103
4/11/09 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
They are getting more aggresive anyway.
Hint: When Criminals get away with stuff, they get more agrresive.
Hey, if it was up to me we would blow them all to pieces.

Its not up to me, though. And I know that in today's world we wont do anything even close to that. I think our weapons of choice will probably end up being rhetoric and sanctions.
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post #32 of 103
4/11/09 at 1:34pm
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Hey, if it was up to me we would blow them all to pieces.

Its not up to me, though. And I know that in today's world we wont do anything even close to that. I think our weapons of choice will probably end up being rhetoric and sanctions.
Sanctions? Against Somallia? It's kind of hard to put sanctions in place when there is no Government you can place sanctions against.
And if the reactions is attack against American citizens is going to be nothing but rhetoric, the GOP just might finally have an issue that will stick.
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post #33 of 103
4/11/09 at 1:40pm
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Sanctions? Against Somallia? It's kind of hard to put sanctions in place when there is no Government you can place sanctions against.
And if the reactions is attack against American citizens is going to be nothing but rhetoric, the GOP just might finally have an issue that will stick.

The best part will be in a year or so and people start talking about a windfall profit tax on all the companies who had to increase the cost of their product due to them having to spend more dough transporting said products through a different (longer) shipping route in order to avoid these pirates.
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post #34 of 103
4/11/09 at 3:28pm
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No country on earth wants to send peacekeepers into Somalia after what happened in the 1990's...and for good reason.
No, the UN and the African Union have been attempting to send peace keepers into Somalia for the last few years with the support of the Transitional Federal Government and Ethiopia, who had just recently withdrew it's troops from the country after pretty much being forced out by al-Shabaab and other clans.

These humanitarian workers over the past few years have been routinely blown up by suicide bombers and beheaded as hostages for a bit now however, so I believe the UN completely withdrew and the African Union is in bad shape.

A few years ago Somalia WAS somewhat relatively stable after Ethiopia, with the support of the US, incapacitated the Council of Islamic Courts (basically the Taliban of Somalia), however things went to hell after the militant arm of the Council (Shabaab) took it's place and became an even worse faction than the CIC.
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post #35 of 103
4/11/09 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by The Closer View Post
Hey, if it was up to me we would blow them all to pieces.

Its not up to me, though. And I know that in today's world we wont do anything even close to that. I think our weapons of choice will probably end up being rhetoric and sanctions.
Sanctions? That's probably the worst idea I've ever heard, there is no real government of Somalia controlling the pirates, the Transitional Federal Government has very limited power in this regard and sanctions would only help to further destabilize the region and put pressure on the government (that we are trying to support) to disband, even though the TFG is nothing more than another type of clan or warlord.
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post #36 of 103
4/11/09 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
Sanctions? That's probably the worst idea I've ever heard, there is no real government of Somalia controlling the pirates, the Transitional Federal Government has very limited power in this regard and sanctions would only help to further destabilize the region and put pressure on the government that we are trying to support to disband, even though the TFG is nothing more than another type of clan or warlord.

Of course it's a horrible idea. I assumed the facetious tone of my post was pretty evident. My wife must be right...I'm really not that funny.

My point was that even though it's obviously a horrible idea, it's probably the most dramatic action well end up taking.
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post #37 of 103
4/11/09 at 4:07pm
I love how yt is always looking for the silver lining. It's never the people's fault. It's always big business and fat rich Republicans.
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post #38 of 103
4/11/09 at 7:50pm
Another typical result of western nations fucking with other countries. It's a reflexive action.
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post #39 of 103
4/12/09 at 12:37am
Seems like the only option left is for us to place a vitamin C and citrus fruit embargo on the horn of Africa and hope all the fuckers get scurvy.
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post #40 of 103
4/12/09 at 3:20am
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Seems like the only option left is for us to place a vitamin C and citrus fruit embargo on the horn of Africa and hope all the fuckers get scurvy.
gold! pure gold!
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post #41 of 103
4/12/09 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by Electrichead View Post
I love how yt is always looking for the silver lining. It's never the people's fault. It's always big business and fat rich Republicans.
Perhaps he recognises a complex world filled with myriad shades of gray where compromise is essential, rather than black and white where totalist thinking is Emperor.
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post #42 of 103
4/12/09 at 1:57pm
Maybe, but many times, regardless of the situation, the blame falls at corporate greed, big business, wall street fat cats, evil republicans, etc. I just like to point out that there are also many democrats that do shit that isn't so nice.

Why not blame Clinton for this? He was goofing around over there 15 or so years back? It's a goofy claim, but many such claims have been made in the past regarding Republican presidents. I think there are people blaming Reagan for our economical problems today.
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post #43 of 103
4/12/09 at 2:25pm
Breaking News - CNN is reporting that the captain has been freed.
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post #44 of 103
4/12/09 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by ShaolinMK View Post
Breaking News - CNN is reporting that the captain has been freed.
Good news. Looks like the scurvy finally took those bastards down.
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post #45 of 103
4/12/09 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by Electrichead View Post
Maybe, but many times, regardless of the situation, the blame falls at corporate greed, big business, wall street fat cats, evil republicans, etc. I just like to point out that there are also many democrats that do shit that isn't so nice.

Why not blame Clinton for this? He was goofing around over there 15 or so years back? It's a goofy claim, but many such claims have been made in the past regarding Republican presidents. I think there are people blaming Reagan for our economical problems today.


Dude. Nobody even mentioned Republicans or Democrats in this thread.
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post #46 of 103
4/12/09 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by Electrichead View Post
Maybe, but many times, regardless of the situation, the blame falls at corporate greed, big business, wall street fat cats, evil republicans, etc. I just like to point out that there are also many democrats that do shit that isn't so nice.
It's easy to blame. Certainly, it requires far fewer cognitive resources than delving deeper into what might be a dizzingly complex web of arguments and counterarguments, some of which may be equally valid.

"Corporate greed" is a good example. Corporations exist in law to make a profit. Period. In many countries the CEO can be prosecuted if he/she fails to act in the best interests of the corporation. Whilst switching ... say ... wood supply (for a paper mill) to a Fair Trade source might seem the ethically responsible thing to do, the cost of doing so (say ... half a million dollars per annum) may not be in the best interests of the corporation.

And you can't ignore the role of the consumer in all of this. After all, corporations only supply what people want to buy (ok, there's an argument here over the modern practice of "needs generation" but it doesn't apply to every corporation). What responsibility should the consumer bear for the thousands of S.E. Asian sweatshops keeping the West clothed?
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post #47 of 103
4/12/09 at 2:48pm
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa...tes/index.html

Looks like the capitain was rescued as opposed to freed.

3 out of the 4 pirates now sleep with the fishes.
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post #48 of 103
4/12/09 at 3:03pm
So I wonder how that went down. They don't say in the article why or how there are three less pirates.

Maybe it's time for Rainbow Six: High Seas
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post #49 of 103
4/12/09 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by Electrichead View Post
So I wonder how that went down. They don't say in the article why or how there are three less pirates.

Maybe it's time for Rainbow Six: High Seas
According to breitbart, it was a "swift firefight."

If films/24 have taught me anything, some people will need to be debriefed right about now.
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post #50 of 103
4/12/09 at 3:27pm
Given that this happened thousands of miles away, at sea, in another country, and things that happen in far off places don't feel real, I'm going to dehumanize the situation for a moment and let the naive little boy in me say "cool". I mean really, this was a raft adrift at sea, what did they do? Swim up from underneath them?
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