Saw: The Videogame - Page 2

Oh yeah. No excuses coming from me, and I like A LOT of bad movies. I'll champion some of them, but always gotta remember what I'm defending. It's not exactly high art. I may dig it, but if I'm going to sell it, I'll know not to be making it seem like the best thing ever.

Same here, I proudly enjoy a lot of crap.

I genuinely like a lot of them too. It's not hard for a movie to entertain me, and make me think it's at least ok. It has to be a steaming pile of "wish it was aborted" crap. Like the Halloween remake.

Although the sequel to that one is shaping up to be quite the carnival curio that I may just give that one a try.

I like that Spike's not arguing in favor of the quality of the Saw franchise, but is arguing about it's place in the geek culture zeitgeist. Like it or not (I loathe it), Saw has become a part of our pop culture consciousness and, yes, Jigsaw has become as iconographic to a new generation as Freddy, Jason, and Myers were to ours. I also agree that the Tall Man really isn't on the same level of public awareness as those guys. Heck, I'd say Farmer Vincent is probably more widely known by the lay audience than the Tall Man.

That doesn't mean that Jigsaw is a better character, it's just that he is more well known. Simple fact. This generation will be talking about Saw for years in the same way that we talked about F13 and Nightmare on Elm St. And years from now Saw fans will be bitching about the quality of whatever new standard bearer is around for the newer generation.

Fuck this game though.

Something of note. Or not.

Jigsaw himself isn't even the icon. It's that puppet. People recognise that, even if they don't recognise Tobin Bell's face. I'd happily say that thing was one of this generation's horror icons - whether it's a good film or not.

THAT I might give you.

Wait a second. Nobody is going to call out the hypocrisy in saying that Jigsaw isn't an icon because the movies are crap, and then have people saying Pinhead is a horror icon? Those Hellraiser movies are garbage, Pinhead is only remembered because he looks cool.

The first two movies have great stories (but admittedly dated effects), and they got worse and worse as the franchise wore on, just like pretty much every other "iconic" horror franchise. I still stand by the 1st two hellraisers, even if the effects show their age.

To be honest, what i'm describing could well be more "brand recognition" than iconic. Isn't iconic when there's a level of reverance for a subject?

So, that - yeah?

Gotta agree about the puppet and the traps. Every time there's a new one, the first thing that's mentioned is how they've thought up of new fucked up traps that are going to make the last ones look tame in comparison.

Bu-wha?

The Barker stories they based things off of were good. The movies were awful, starting at part 1.

Tobin Bell and Jigsaw may be more popular than we think.
http://www.joblo.com/interview-tobin-bell

I've seen all 5 films. I don't think they are masterpieces or anything like that (I certainly wasn't scared of them) but like Eko I was entertained.

Serious question: was anybody here ever actually scared of anything Freddy Krueger might do? And I mean people above the age of consent in your home state at the time of release. Apart from the first one, the others I saw all played like Abbott Costello VS. The Mummy. Krueger is somehow now considered a horror icon?

No. Krueger's about as scary as the Crypt Keeper.

Comedy?

This is getting weird. Off to bed, night y'all - I expect this mess to be cleaned up when I get on tomorrow.

All snark aside, really, has anybody over the age of 12 ever been afraid of Freddy Kreuger? I'm perfectly willing to admit to missing the boat.

I don't think that the (televised) Cryptkeeper or the (film version) Kreuger are either icons, other than perhaps in the franchise/recognizable way. That stuff is "horror" to me in name only.

And just to clarify, I'm not trying to be difficult or argumentative here. I just think that Swicegood has a great point that perceived silly horror "icons" of today will be the "accepted" horror icons of the next generation.

You are showing your age.

No doubt. That's kind of the point. My friends and I laughed at Krueger's antics, just as many today probably giggle at Jigsaw's Rube Goldberg antics, and your kids will laugh at the stuff that scared you.

I imagine when people think of SAW they also think of horror movies, no?

See, I'm not even sure what we're debating now. Has there been a good Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elmstreet game that I'm missing?

Just to be clear, I think the SAW franchise sucks. I also think the same for the other two.

That's because you drugged your inner child and buried him alive in your backyard.

I think that the kids in the next generation will wonder what the hell kind of shit was going on since this horror film period has produced more films based in torture than any other.

Sssshhh!!! Cheney might be listening.

Wow, this is an interesting conversation.....

...certainly more interesting than any of the SAW movies.

I kind of side with Spike on this one. If the Saw movies are known for anything, it's more for the fucked up traps than cancer patient Jones. The only reason I recognize the puppet guy is because I saw him on DVD packaging at Target.

Now THAT is how you bring it back around to the meat of the conversation.

I'm coming to think you guys all secretly hope this game will be awesome.

Kotaku's headline sold me. Dragons Liar meets Saw seems like a good time. Sure its kinda out dated, but give me some sweet death animation gore and ill be happy.

I never want any game to be bad. I just have a feeling that the boundaries of this one will be restricted by it's source material.


That source material, by the way, is comparable to a delicious looking milkshake made with rat turds and motor oil.


I guess that means my hopes are not high.