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The truly sad thing about these protests is that nobody's gonna get stoned or laid.
The truly sad thing about these protests is that nobody's gonna get stoned or laid.
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| The Democrats' stimulus plan would give a $400 tax cut to individuals and an $800 cut to couples |
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I think it'd be easier to buy the fact that Conservative Republicans aren't crazy reactionaries making far too many easy generalizations if their national media face and protest parties didn't feature crazy reactionaries making far too many easy generalizations.
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Is there a meeting for employees of all these big multi national corporations behind this, or do they just have a mailing list for this type of stuff? I'd love to keep up to date with our plans to continue destroying the county and manipulate the poor fools that go to these meetings.
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| Few Americans realize just how incredibly little, historically speaking, our nation's wealthy now pay in taxes. In 1955, the year April 15 became the IRS tax-filing deadline, America's top 400 taxpayers paid three times more of their income in taxes than the top 400 of 2006, the most recent year with IRS data available. According to a new Tax Day report that we co-authored, if the top 400 of 2006 had paid taxes at 1955 rates, the federal treasury would have collected -- from these 400 taxpayers alone -- an additional $35.9 billion more in revenue in 2006. The 139,000 U.S. taxpayers who made over $2 million in 2006, our report also notes, averaged $5.9 million in income. They paid 23.2 percent of their total incomes in federal income tax. The comparable rate for equivalent high-income Americans in 1955: 49 percent. If the over-$2 million set in 2006 had paid taxes at the same rate as their 1955 counterparts, the federal treasury would have collected $202 billion. |

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In yt's world only 501(c) groups like MoveOn.org are justified in creating rallies I guess
![]() I'm all for the concept of the tea party, but I think its being overshadowed by the right wing wackjobs. While I support the tea party's principles, I can't get behind any meeting where Hannity is giving a prominent role. Here in Atlanta I really can't wait to hear Eric VonHessler's speech though. I hope they tape it so I can listen later. |
I know you know what I mean. I think people's advocates that organize rallies are right and just, for whatever cause, be it lefties or anti-Fed/anti-war Ron Paul-ites. What I find offensive are interested corporate parties and industry lobbyists tricking oftentimes ignorant (but no less hurting from the economic disaster) regular people to rally against their own and their country's interest for the sake of the upper class and multinational corporations.| Here in Atlanta I really can't wait to hear Eric VonHessler's speech though. I hope they tape it so I can listen later. |
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The teabag party idea began on Feb. 15, in direct response to the stimulus bill, not the bailouts.
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| This is from your editor’s RADAR Magazine story about the ultimately failed attempt to ride the blimp to Washington and then to Boston, for the stated purpose of dumping tea into Boston Harbor, as a protest, against the big-spending Republicans, particularly the hated George W. Bush: The original flight plan was a thing of goofy beauty: The airship would cruise over Washington, DC, the nucleus of Imperial America, land in northern Virginia for a triumphant rally, then fly to New York City to buzz the evil Federal Reserve Bank on Wall Street. From there it would cruise to Boston to reenact the original Tea Party by tossing boxes of tea into the harbor from hundreds of feet in the air, while crowds of Paul supporters and journalists looked on in wonder. Finally, there would be a three-week-long crisscrossing tour of the New Hampshire skies. Up until January 8, the date of the all-important primary in the Granite State, the great craft would mercilessly harass the other candidates from the air. It was understood by everyone else on the Ron Paul discussion forums that the blimp would forever change America. Eyes would be opened. The “sheeple” would see the truth. All the Paulians had to do was cough up $200,000 by December 7 for a month’s blimp rental from Airship Management Services in Elizabeth City. Source. |

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We had the most stable economy in our history between Roosevelt's measures following the Great Depression and Reagan.
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Wow. That's not anywhere close to being true. At all.
Between the depression and Reagan, we averaged one recession (with an average length of 10 months) every 5 years. Between 1948 and 1980 there were at least 3 recessions per decade. Since Reagan took office, the recession were going through now (the 3rd since he began his presidency) is the first one to last more than 8 months. |


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I'm bracing myself to watch the clock slide backwards on social progress in my country. It's both saddening and frightening, as for some stupid-ass reason I was beginning to believe we were making some serious strides. While I was fully expecting these "patriots" to not give up without a fight, they are raising the bar on just what a group of people can do to ensure that posterity does not look favorably on themselves. (
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So, I guess the SCHIP tobacco tax increase is only being enforced at people making more than $250k?
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I went to a huge anti-war/anti-Bush rally in downtown LA and it was very focused, peaceful and united. Just there weren't any news cameras anywhere.
Also, it's not "a whole bunch of people" blowing the size and importance of this out of proportion, it's the event's co-sponsor, Fox News. Watch this compilation. The montage starts at :59. |
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I went to a huge anti-war/anti-Bush rally in downtown LA and it was very focused, peaceful and united. Just there weren't any news cameras anywhere.
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| Some Fox News hosts have been pushing the tea party protests slated for hundreds of cities today, almost to the point that they seem to be the ringmasters of the event. "It's now my great duty to promote the tea parties. Here we go!" Fox business anchor Stuart Varney said the other day. But there's another side to this saga. Most of the mainstream media fell down on the job, ignoring the growing movement or mocking it as a bunch of wingnuts. The New York Times has run zero stories (the only mention was Times columnist Paul Krugman taking a brief swipe at the parties.) The Washington Post has done zip until today, with a story on two planned D.C. parties on Page B-4. The Chicago Tribune ran a 300-word story and an item on postal workers mistaking tea for a hazardous substance. The Los Angeles Times did a 500-word piece on a small protest in Hermosa Beach and has a media piece today. The Boston Globe, published in the city famed for the original tea party: nothing. CNN ran its first news story on the protests Monday (followed by a piece by me on the coverage). MSNBC's coverage had consisted of Rachel Maddow and Ana Marie Cox mocking the "teabagging" until Chris Matthews held a more serious debate Monday. |
| I think the Fed has gotten way out of control, specifically under the rule of Greenspan, the darling of your way of thinking |
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I don't need to. The National Bureau of Economic Research makes it for me. What I posted isn't up for debate. It's simple fact.
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Do you share your CHUD login information with someone? Unless you're suffering from some Memento type ailment, I can't understand why you would even mention Greenspan and "my way of thinking" considering the extensive discussions we've had on the subject. Greenspan was a believer in a lot of things, but obviously not a free market. Anyone who suggests otherwise has their head up their ass. It's like believing Bush when he says he had definitive proof that Iraq had WMDs...just because he says so doesn't make it true.
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Are you serious? These protests don't even look that large in the first place. I really think a whole bunch of people are blowing the significance and size of these way out of proportion.
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OK, without speaking in definitives, we're still looking at a relatively stable economy (ETA particularly wrt the banking sector) and a stable quality of life among regular people (not the super rich).
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| I think it's splitting hairs. You talk about an ideal that has never existed in practical reality. Greenspan represents the practical reality of the ideal. |
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Well, MSNBC has been doing exactly that. Just the opposite of Fox of course (mocking the whole thing). Of course Fox has gone out of it's way to promote the thing, but what is anybody else expecting from Fox anymore?
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ElCap, I know you think it's funny and all, but read up on the people who are paying for the teabagging movement and what their interests are, and you'll see easily enough how it's done.
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Actually, I am a total skeptic on religon.
Interesting how yt overeacts when anybody reminds him of the way he used to push the 9/11 "Truth" bullshit on this website. Sort of hurts his credibility, I guess. |
| I'm bracing myself to watch the clock slide backwards on social progress in my country. It's both saddening and frightening, as for some stupid-ass reason I was beginning to believe we were making some serious strides. While I was fully expecting these "patriots" to not give up without a fight, they are raising the bar on just what a group of people can do to ensure that posterity does not look favorably on themselves. |
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I think yt is a woman.
Its fine and fair to attack the tea parties, alls fair in politics. But you have to realize that they are no more silly or full of crazies than all of the anti-Bush/anti-war/anti-globalization rallies of the past 8+ years. Its just the opposite side's crazies. When the rally subject matters are reversed all the libs on this board go apeshit when the conservatives make fun of their rally attendees. This is the same thing people, just reversed, everyones needs to chill the fuck out I swear. |