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post #1 of 13
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I was thinking about the following:

I think we can all agree that the horror films of yesteryear don't, by and large, have the impact on today's viewers they may have had back in their heyday. And I think we can also all agree that as far as graphic violence and gore are concerned, we've seen a trend of escalation over the years. Horror movies evolved from the B&W Universal monster films (Frankenstein, Dracula, etc.) and SciFI classics (Them!, The Deadly Mantis, The Thing from Another World, etc.) thru the blood drenched (but still not overly graphic) Hammer Dracula movies of the 60's and thier ilk, through NOTLD ushering in the 70's and "Last House on the Left" pushing that decade's boundaries, into the 80's slashers and their Savini inspired, gory brilliance, into the current torture porn trend.

The question posed by this thread is: Why? Why don't these films affect us as much as they used to? Why do we as an audience seem to need to constantly up the ante, violence and gore wise?

Perhaps the answers have less to do with the films themselves and more to do with us, as individuals and as a society.

I recall being a kid in the 70's and watching the Universal films, and thinking they were cool and being fascinated by them. But scary? Hardly. And at the time, I was terrified by then-contemporary horror films. But at one point, these films scared adults, let alone kids. Why was the 5 year old me not scared by them in 1975, when 1940's adults were? The usual argument advanced for why we as older, constant horror fans or the newer generation of younger fans aren't scared by things that terrified the previous generation is because we/they are jaded by over exposure to the genre. We've become too familiar with it all, and thus aren't scared by older stuff, because we've seen it all, and often much worse in the contemporary form the films have taken on by now. But I don't think this is the only reason (it certainly contributes, I'll readily concede). As I said, I was afraid of the then current horror films as a kid (probably until about age 9), and thus hadn't seen a large number of them. I HADN'T been (over)exposed to horror films; I hadn't become jaded (yet). But I still didn't find the older films scary. What can account for this?

An easy answer would be the imagery we as a society are bombarded with by the media, in all its forms.

To be sure, media themselves weren't nearly as readily available in years past. TV's weren't commonplace until at least the mid to late 50's. And even when they were, there were only the 3 networks and their limited programming for YEARS. Much more of the country's populace lived outside cities then, so access to things like movies & newspapers or magazines was probably much more limited for those folks. The number of movies released in a given year was a mere fraction of what it is today. So back in the 40's and 50's, anyway, it's plausible that you COULDN'T see much in the way of disturbing imagery thru media outlets, even if you wanted to, simply because it wasn't avaialable for your consumption. And even as the media & their influence became more widespread, what you were allowed to see was so much tamer by today's standards, due both to government paternalism in the form of standards & censorship and to the quality of the special effects available to simulate the violence and gore.

One has to wonder why the former was in place so rigidly in years past, and has loosened so much in the ensuing years. Why did they feel the need to protect us so much back then? And why do they not feel that need now? Is it merely a self fulfilling prophecy? The nightly news is a frequent scapegoat for those who espouse this opinion. From earliest childhood we are immersed in stories about violence, they say. And as the subject matter of the news, which is deemed more worthy than mere entertainment, became more horrific (read: brutally honest) about things like the Vietnam War, and Urban Crime, the censorship rules inevitably loosened as even the news put forth horrific imagery, clearing the way for edgier films to be shown on TV, easily accessible by all of us as kids these days (and for several decades, now). So the theory goes, our constant exposure to these things will jade us as a society against the horror films of years gone by, even if we don't indulge in contemporary horror films as individuals.

But I'm not entirely sure I buy that either. I'm just a little too young to recall the graphic Vietnam War footage we always hear so much about (you know, how it was the first war fought in American living rooms because there was so much news footage being broadcast?). And although I have clear childhood memories of news broadcasts about Son of Sam (I grew up in the NY Metro Area, where that was happening, and it was all over the news here). But it's not like there were crime scene photos or anything really graphic being shown. So how does that account for the jaded attitude? Is the mere fact that things like this are being reported on - and thereby, their presence in the world acknowledged openly in a manner they never would have been in years gone by - enough to harden our hearts and make us demand more from our horror films?

Maybe being one of the affected I'm too close to see it, but I think this kind of rings hollow, and doesn't fully explain why we as a movie going public seem to outgrow what was once considered terrifying every couple of years. And I doubt very much that the improvment in effects technology can explain all of it, either. To be sure, if you grew up on 80's slashers or zombie films with good effects, your tolerance and appetite for gore is probably pretty high, and stepping down to older, B&W, almost effects-less films from the 50's or earlier doesn't satisfy that appetite. But I refuse to believe that's ALL there is to this process. It certainly contributes, but it can't be the whole cause.

So what do you think? Are any of the above the root cause for the escalation of horror in films? Do they combiine to explain the changes in our attitudes towards horror? Or are there things I'm not thinking of that you think account for it? Share with the rest of the class.
post #2 of 13
Fascinating topic (as usual). I wish I could give you more than just a quick answer right now, but alas time contraints.

Clarification question: When you first saw the Classic Universal Horror movies, did you see them with your parents or alone? It's my belief that fear is a learned response in humans. As children, we pick up what to fear from our parents. If you watched those Classic Universal Horror movies with your parents (and they weren't scared), then it stands to reason that you wouldn't be scared either. You base your reactions (as a child) on the reactions of your parents. Debate worthy at least.
post #3 of 13
I think there's a number of reasons (you've covered a good list of possibilities). Howbout some riffing:

Hubris VS Panic. Many of the classic Universal monster flicks were 1st released pre-WW2. As the "sleeping giant", America hadn't had much to fear from outside sources (we'll leave the inner Depression out of this for now). And even after the threat of Germany & Japan, our victory was "clear" and decisive. That generation got their jumps and scares from cinema and it didn't take much to fill that need. Follow the path of the Cold War and wars in Korea and Vietnam (and Watergate) and threats start to kreep into our real world. We become a paranoid nation, an unsure one. They fear for themselves on a daily basis because of the decisions of our leaders, we become paranoid, we become distrustful of our fellow man and the people in charge. The genre (horror & scifi) entertainment starts to reflect those fears even more, but it becomes more of a mirror (and realistic, deeper) of us instead of just a release.

When the 80s roll around, the cycle renews a bit. America's on top again, horror franchises give us our release, churning out franchise entries, but scaring a whole new generation up till 9/11. Then BAM! we're back to getting our fear/panic/paranoia from real world events, and the movies just can't compare to that genuine and unsafe feeling we have to deal with on a constant basis. Politics and the economy offer more stress. Some seek out escapist entertainment (horror films for an example) to release that tension, but what can you put up on the screen that's going to be MORE horrific than what people are feeling outside at work and at home? The only thing left to do is make the violence that much more brutal, realistic, and taboo.

We're not just desensitized by film, but because of the world around us. The media and sharing of information plays into that for sure. But I think there's also a general feeling that the world is a timebomb and it's just a matter of time until (space squid!) something happens that'll change everything. Hope was a big theme last year. I don't care which side of the political aisle you fall on, we're in trouble and it's going to take a lot of hard work to get out. I'm interested to see how horror films are going to reflect another cycle.

EDIT: I'm also curious how/when Phil's When Death Got Real thread alligns with this discussion.

Some more thoughts on the progression of horror through the decades... Fear Itself: Monsters At the Movies
post #4 of 13
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I had a similar thought die still born as I was shaving this morning. Well put. You hit the nail I was aiming for right on the head. I think I'd add that we as a nation seemed, by all acoounts, to be more wide eyed and innocent (almost childlike) before the 60's started to open our eyes to what was going on in the world around us, and behind the scenes here in our own country. I think one could argue this was inertia from the time of monarchs; they probably liked to keep their populace docile, so they'd be more likely to follow orders than question them. Remember, monarchy was the way of things everywhere but here until well into the 20th century. We had no other model to really borrow from, so our leaders probably sought to perpetuate a sort of top down mode of leadership, treating us all like ignorant children (hence the paternalism in morality standards in censorship). Until the flow of information started to get to unheard of levels with the advent of television and the computer, and greater access to college level educations w/ the GI Bill prompted the questioning of authority & the status quo in the 60's. No one was quite so wide eyed and innocent any more. We all grew up a little as a society, I'd argue, and our tastes became a little more adult as well.
post #5 of 13
Your post also reminded me that before the visuals of TV and cinema, we as a culture would be frightened by radio plays and literature. Before that, oral storytelling around a campfire. What new sense will have to be incorporated to take us to the next level of horror, now that we've had a century of visuals? I reckon there are still a few visionary film-makers with terrific imaginations left, that can get an image up on screen that we'd never conjure up in our own nightmares, but how much longer till we've seen everything?

Will there be a reset button that will allow us horror fans to be terrified by simplicity and a minimal approach? Instead of more more more...
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
Will there be a reset button that will allow us horror fans to be terrified by simplicity and a minimal approach? Instead of more more more...
No. Or not at least for current horror fans. For a different generation? Possible but somewhat doubtful. You'd have to dial back what scares parents and I don't see that happening.
post #7 of 13
Could it be because we, as a society, our less in touch with the concept of death than ever before? To paraphrase Dr. Perry Cox, we live in a world where medicine has evolved to a point where people who should have long since kicked the bucket live on and on. Our news is carefully sanitized when it comes to cataclysmic episodes like the ongoing war in Iraq. Our vehicles are crammed chock full of safety features that prevent us from becoming greasy, crimson smears on the roadway. Hell, parents today actively work to "protect" their children from understanding what death truly is. Whereas in olden times (and now I'll paraphrase Stephen King in "Pet Sematary"), death was a member of the family that came in, sat down at the dinner table and occasionally bit you on the ass, it's now kept at a distance. It's a bit of dirty secret. Perhaps, as a response to this newfound taboo and this new found concept of death as quasi-meaningless, we escalate the horror. We escalate the bloodshed. In doing so, we find some sort of meaning in it. We find something to fill that absence that our lack of death--and death as a taboo--has created in this culture.

Aw, hell. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say even makes sense. It sounded good in my head, though.
post #8 of 13
Mattioli, to play into what you've said about protecting ourselves, Devin's recent article about Sequels (and thread) supports this. The more we surround ourselves with the familiar (a cocoon, if you will), to arrest our development (by telling the same stories over and over), the more we'll avoid the "unknown". If you don't explore the shadows, you can't be surprised by what's in them. Familiarity breeds contempt, and the more we know what's coming (let's remake a horror flick that has a 10+ entry franchise already!), the less it'll horrify us.

We're complacent and stagnant and lazy. No wonder the terrorists had to come to us. No wonder home invasion flicks are on the rise.
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by HBarr View Post
Fascinating topic (as usual). I wish I could give you more than just a quick answer right now, but alas time contraints.

Clarification question: When you first saw the Classic Universal Horror movies, did you see them with your parents or alone? It's my belief that fear is a learned response in humans. As children, we pick up what to fear from our parents. If you watched those Classic Universal Horror movies with your parents (and they weren't scared), then it stands to reason that you wouldn't be scared either. You base your reactions (as a child) on the reactions of your parents. Debate worthy at least.
Thanks for the compliment. I honestly don't recall if I saw these alone or with one or both of my parents. It wouldn't surprise me to learn I saw them w/ my Dad around. He was always into sci fi, at least. He got me into the Twilight Zone, Star Trek, and the Outer Limits. And I clearly recall watching War of the Worlds w/ him the 1st time I saw it. I doubt very much he would have exhibited any fear response to the older films. There may be something to this.
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg View Post
Thanks for the compliment. I honestly don't recall if I saw these alone or with one or both of my parents. It wouldn't surprise me to learn I saw them w/ my Dad around. He was always into sci fi, at least. He got me into the Twilight Zone, Star Trek, and the Outer Limits. And I clearly recall watching War of the Worlds w/ him the 1st time I saw it. I doubt very much he would have exhibited any fear response to the older films. There may be something to this.
There definitely is something to it (but what exactly, not sure). Generally, I hate basing a theory solely on personal history/bias but having actually had this discussion with a more than a few friends I feel as though it may have some basis.

That being said, I'll lay out my own personal experiences with horror. My family most definitely wasn't a "horror" family so I had limited exposure as a young kid (virtually none). I have vague recollections of watching some of the 60-70s Sci-fi/horror cheese films with my Dad. Those films prompted no fear response from my Dad. Interest? Most definitely. The Classic Universal Horror films? I vaguely remember watching with the entire family. There again, no fear response, just genuine enjoyment (and I still enjoy those films to this day). I think the first (more or less) "modern" horror film I watched was with my folks was The Exorcist. I most definitely remember my mom's reactions. She watched most of the movie with her hands in front of her eyes. As did I. To this day, as long as I can put my hands in front of my face to block some of the image I can sit and watch a horror movie. Pull my hand away from my face and I get up and go into another room (yeah, I know I'm a pussy).

Jump forward a little, to watching films as a teenager with friends and I noticed a marked line when it came to horror. There were those who wanted to watch the Friday, Freddy, Halloween movies (those were the kids who were exposed to horror with their parents), those who didn't want anything to do with horror (parents didn't allow them to watch and put haphazard fear into them) and finally my group of kids who had limited exposure to horror. All three of our groups reacted in very different manners. The ones never exposed to horror, in general, did not like horror and were very squeamish. The ones who had full/partial exposure to horror with their parents, in general, were very much into the films (although my group tended to susceptible to jump scares and the like).

Jumping forward a little more to present day. My boyfriend (9 years younger than I) loves all things horror. He came from a family that watched many horror films (at an early age). Side story, while at his Mom's for Thanksgiving, all the "kids", those younger than 35, were in the living room watching movies. My boyfriend pops in the Freddy vs Jason flick, at which time we then get into an arguement. As I didn't think it was an appropriate movie to watch with kids younger than 10. I was voted down. The younger kids on my side of the room, tended to react like I reacted (covering eyes, reacting to jump scares) and the younger kids on the more horror seasoned side of the room reacted like them (cheering and clapping). Seems kind of simplistic, but it just seems like those younger kids were merely aping how the adults around them reacted to the film.

Ok, so I've rambled enough about my personal experience. How about others, so we can see if there is anything to my theory.
post #11 of 13
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Ok, so I've rambled enough about my personal experience. How about others, so we can see if there is anything to my theory.
I don't recall if I aped my parents' behavior, but my background is very similar to yours (subsitute EXORCIST with THE SHINING). I was into monster flicks growing up, but didn't get into real horror until college (met a whole new group of people) and while I worked at video stores then. I do know that my mom loves scary flicks, but she's so freaked out by them. It's hilarious. All I need to do is reach over or whisper to her (we watched the LEGEND OF HELL HOUSE recently when she was visiting), and she jumps and whines at me. My brother called her cell phone during THE RING from 2 seats over. That's entertainment.

I think exposure at a young age has a lot to do with it. And despite parents' efforts to protect their kids in this PC helmeted world, I think there are more things potentially (thanks to cable TV, video games, and the internet) to which kids today can get exposed (compared to the "good old days" 50s).

As a parent, I can't tell what the best approach is in this information era. I'm sure it should be on a per-kid basis. My daughter's very curious and also very sensitive, so I experiment here and there and see what she gravitates towards. Like me as a kid, she loves monsters, so we stick to the classics (Harryhausen, kaiju, Kong, dinosaurs, Universal), and Scooby, Labyrinth, etc for now.
post #12 of 13
Great topic, Ig!

My background's similar to everyone else - I fell into horror flicks via the TV and movies (Creature Features, Chiller Theatre, 4:30 Movie, Jackson Cinema, etc.) when I was a kid. Plus, my neighborhood had local legends (ghosts, haunted house up the street, etc.) so I was hip deep in all things macabre by the time high school rolled around.

Thing was, and it might be because of the kids I hung out with, everyone was into monster flicks and stuff (Famous Monsters was a must get every month, we all had Aurora models and Mego figures, etc.). I was sort of inured to the whole genre. I think HBarr nails it - it hinges on who you grow up/hang out with. If your posse isn't bugged by Dracula, why should you be?

Part of it too was how my folks would react to some of these films. My folks wouldn't let us watch R-rated stuff or hard horror, so of course, that stuff became all the more tempting. At that point, you weren't watching to be scared, you were watching to see how bad it could get that your folks'd raise a stink ("WHOA!!! There's live folks with neck wounds buried in Farmer Vincent's garden! HOLY SHIT!!! Mom finds out I saw this I'm in trouble!").

My interest now is watching how my 1 year old niece is going to react to watching horror movies. I'm not sure she'll be scared though, as her dad's a cop and a tough one at that. Monsters in her closet ain't got a chance against a .44.
post #13 of 13
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My experience differed a bit from HBarr's. My folks weren't into horror at all, really. Mom's kind of squeamish about such things, or else sees them as kind of stupid. Dad, while not scared by them (I have watched a few horror films w/ him, and the most reaction I got was the occasional "Wow!" at a particularly artful kill; wish I could recall which one it was), was just not into them. But either way, they weren't watchjing them to give me a reaction to work off of. I recall seeing "The Amityville Horror" on TV when I was like 7, and being scared shitless. Dad, who was watching it at the same time, had no such reaction. But by the time I was 12, after watching horror films almost non-stop for 3 yrs or so, it took a lot to scare me. Still happens, I'll grant you, but it takes a LOT. And all that 9-12 yrs old movie watching I did on my own. I've mentioned before how cool it was that my folks let me watch damn near anything I wanted, & how grateful I am that they did. I hope to be able to take a similar laissez faire approach to my son, but will undoubtedly encounter opposition from my wife. But my reaction went from abject fear I didn't witness to adoration I didn't witness, either. So while parental reactions may influence one's reaction, I don't think it's the defining element in all cases. Maybe it's the access allowed? If your parents like & appreciate horror films & react positively to them, they by definition are letting you watch them. Perhaps the mere fact they allow you to see this stuff and get acclimated, rather than making it taboo or belittling it in some way, is enough.
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