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post #251 of 284
I can’t argue that the accelerated pace in Season 4 makes it my favorite.

Plus: no filler episodes.
Plus plus: Bryan Cranston as a Ranger.
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It kinda creeps me out how much O'Hare looks like a much older and overweight Christian Bale.

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The thing is that WB will never do anything with B5 due to JMS taking them to court for unpaid royalties. That's why they did nothing for the anniversary a few years back and won't put out any remastered B5 DVD sets.

Didn't that already happen with the DVDs? Before the first DVD release of TWIN PEAKS, the show was remastered in HD but with the f/x work simply upscaled from the old SD masters as a cost saving measure. The only difference is that the show was never filmed in widescreen, so the original 4:3 frame was kept. I suspect the remaining Trek shows DS9 and VOY will only get that treatment unlike TNG.

X-FILES is another example of a show remastered in HD but with the f/x upscaled, but now cropped to 16:9.
post #253 of 284

One thing that doesn't get enough of a shout out is the spaceship designs in Babylon 5. 

 

I'm not into collectibles or toys at all but I'd pony up to get models or cast steel miniatures of the Star Furies, Narn and Centari ships as well as the EarthForce Destroyers. All really iconic and bad ass designs. Never a fan of the Minbari Fish Ships tho. 

post #254 of 284
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One thing that doesn't get enough of a shout out is the spaceship designs in Babylon 5. 

 

I'm not into collectibles or toys at all but I'd pony up to get models or cast steel miniatures of the Star Furies, Narn and Centari ships as well as the EarthForce Destroyers. All really iconic and bad ass designs. Never a fan of the Minbari Fish Ships tho. 


They seem a bit small....

 

http://www.uncomyngifts.com/main/recreation_room/babylon-5/game_supplies/babylon5wars/miniatures/index.html

 

Then there are the B5 Micro Machines.

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/babylon-5-micro-machines

post #255 of 284
The Shadow vessels are absolutely fantastic designs. They’re simple, and yet they make the skin crawl.

I loved the subplot where Keffer saw the Shadow ship in hyperspace, and the other pilots told him there were rumors of long-forgotten legends lurking about just outside the comfort zone of “normal.” He grew obsessed, tried to film one, and died in the process; his footage leaked and became a major news story.

It’s not far removed from UFOs (obviously), and Nessie and Bigfoot and other fringe topics, in which people become fixated on proving the existence of something that shouldn’t exist.
post #256 of 284
B5's starship designs are incredibly detailed and diverse. Always loved that about this show.
post #257 of 284

Yeah, love the designs and how they were instantly recognizable as their specific race.  Even the minor races had  specific 'looks' for their ships. 

 

My favorite was always the Vree ships with their giant 'butt-guns' mounted on the bottom.

post #258 of 284

I still have the first four sets of MIcro Machines. 5 and 6 are super expensive now.

post #259 of 284
Aaah, Keffer. The execs told em to put in a hotshot pilot, and JMS said ‘sure. As long as I can kill him.’

He is a great way to introduce the Shadows as an extant threat. The price of obsession.
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I still have the first four sets of MIcro Machines. 5 and 6 are super expensive now.

Yeah, I tried hunting those down a few years ago and jawdropped at how much they were going for.

 

But there's a really weird, brief "window" in the mid-late 90's where a whole bunch of items that turned out to be really scarce later on cropped up.  The latter B5 mini-sets being among them.

 

The Diamond Select action figures also came with little versions of the ships, larger than the Micro Machines but they're pretty lame, low-detail versions.  I think even the Micro Machines were better (and the figures were pretty bad too, but you can get most of them pretty cheap because of it).

post #261 of 284
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There was a miniatures game out right around when the show was on that had some amazing ship figures.  Saw them at GenCon and it almost got me to start buying into it.

post #262 of 284
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There was a miniatures game out right around when the show was on that had some amazing ship figures.  Saw them at GenCon and it almost got me to start buying into it.


That was probably Babylon 5 Wars, which lasted through the initial show, but did not renew their license after it was completed.  A few years later (Early 2000s) a different company came out with "A Call to Arms" which IIRC allowed for the use of the previous miniatures but also introduced a lot of new ones (but I might be wrong on the old minis being compatible).

 

From what I can recall the A Call to Arms miniatures were better-looking, but harder to come by these days.

post #263 of 284
ugh

Those TNT movies.
post #264 of 284
Oh yeah, are those movies necessary to watch or are they just standalone filler?
post #265 of 284
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Oh yeah, are those movies necessary to watch or are they just standalone filler?


None are essential viewing. 

 

"In the Beginning" probably comes closest, though, and does have some legit great Babylon 5 moments in it. 

 

"Thirdspace" is actually kind of fun.  It's the closest Babylon 5 proper ever gets to a straightforward Sci-Fi adventure story and at least one subplot element from the series gets one of its' biggest (and most heartbreaking) moments here.

 

"A Call to Arms" is meh but does set up a lot of Crusade if you're interested in viewing that (but you won't really miss anything critical...just the introduction of the hero ship and a couple of the characters, as well as the metaplot seeds).

 

"River of Souls" might be worth a curiosity visit because it has Martin Sheen and a pre-Deadwood Ian McShane hamming it up, but it is NOT good/completely skippable.

 

"Legend of the Rangers" is garbage that not even Andreas Katsulas can save.

 

"Lost Tales" wasn't a TNT movie but it's also eminently skippable.  Neither segment is great but the Boxleitner/Sheridan one is the better of the two.  The Lochley segment is nice from the perspective that it gives a very underserved character from the fifth season a bit more spotlight (something shared with Crusade where Lochley is concerned), but it's nothing anyone would miss.


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post #266 of 284
The only “good” TNT movie was IN THE BEGINNING, but it’s such a major retcon in so many ways, forcing the lead characters to meet one another in order to set up theirs relationships in the series proper. In addition, it literally contributes nothing to the story, and only serves to spoil all the plot twists in the first two seasons.

The other films are complete wastes. These films could have been used as opportunities outside the weekly continuity to tell important stories the series left hanging: the story of Sheridan and David on Centauri Prime, or the Telepath War. Instead, we got the completely forgettable THIRDSPACE, the insufferable RIVER OF SOULS (seriously, fuck that movie), and A CALL TO ARMS, which was just a weak pilot for CRUSADE.

As for LOST TALES: if you were dying to see an exorcism on a space station, here’s your chance.
post #267 of 284
(And LEGEND OF THE RANGERS fell into that trap where you have to say, “Remember the ancient threat in BABYLON 5? Here’s an even morer ancienter threat!”)
post #268 of 284
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The only “good” TNT movie was IN THE BEGINNING, but it’s such a major retcon in so many ways, forcing the lead characters to meet one another in order to set up theirs relationships in the series proper. In addition, it literally contributes nothing to the story, and only serves to spoil all the plot twists in the first two seasons.

 

It's best watched in order of production, after Season 4 or as a refresher for Season 5.

post #269 of 284
That’s how I do it, but it’s stull redundant, and Season 5 does nothing with it.
post #270 of 284

I love that this thread is active again and not because of another cast member biting the dust.

 

 

Another thing that I love about B5 is that the ship designs, technology and basically everything on the show reminds me of great sci-fi artwork from the 1970s/1980s.


Edited by Headless Fett - 11/27/17 at 5:31pm
post #271 of 284

The Chris Foss look was incompatible with the FX techniques of the 70s and 80s. Bless those on the B5 team with long memories.

post #272 of 284
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There was a miniatures game out right around when the show was on that had some amazing ship figures.  Saw them at GenCon and it almost got me to start buying into it.

 

Yup Babylon 5 Wars.  Fantastic miniatures.  There was a smaller-scale game and line called Fleet Action too, also fantastic miniatures, fleshed out all the races, including the Non-Aligned worlds and the Dilgar.

 

And here's more WB screwing around: After Babylon 5 ended, and Crusade was taken out back, Warner Brothers hiked the prices of the merchandise licenses through the roof.  The company making the miniature game spun everything down nicely, but some of the other licensees were taken by surprise, and imploded.

 

Anyway, the miniatures are still available! https://agents-of-gaming.myshopify.com/

post #273 of 284
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The Chris Foss look was incompatible with the FX techniques of the 70s and 80s. Bless those on the B5 team with long memories.

 

It really is amazing how they translated the Foss aesthetic into so much of the show.  Been looking through his artwork again recently and it's still as breathtaking as ever.

post #274 of 284
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It really is amazing how they translated the Foss aesthetic into so much of the show.  Been looking through his artwork again recently and it's still as breathtaking as ever.

 

Huh, I've always loved 70s/80s sci-fi paperback cover art and never knew there was a face to put to it (or at least one of no doubt many faces). Also, turns out he designed the artwork for the LP of the Gillan band's Clean Air Turbulence, which is the name of the mercenary ship in Consider Phlebas, which has on its cover a sort of update of precisely that kind of art. It's all connected!

post #275 of 284
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As a kid I had the Terran Trade Authority books that used Foss' art and boy was that some amazing stuff.
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As a kid I had the Terran Trade Authority books that used Foss' art and boy was that some amazing stuff.

 

I'm still trying to hunt down copies of "Starliners" and "Spacewrecks" for less than $50 each.  May just bite the bullet and overpay.  I got most of the reprints at reasonable prices.

 

See also Peter Elson, and Angus McKie for more nifty space art.  I painted my Brakiri fleet in their style.

post #277 of 284

So this thread (among other things) inspired me to do a rewatch, and I've hit Season 3, Episode 5 "Voices of Authority."

 

Admittedly, I was a barely out of high school kid without a lot of political awareness back when this episode first aired, but was the GOP already veering hard into the level of crazy we see today in the mid-late 90's, or was JMS just REALLY prescient about where they were going to head?  Because this "Political Officer" Julia Musante is practically a fictionalized combination of Laura Ingraham, Tomi Lahren, and Kellyanne Conway.

 

Also LOL:  "Must be colder in here than I thought...."

post #278 of 284

Yeah, I wasn't as politically aware during B5's original run but a lot of the political stuff in Season 3/4 is amazingly relevant now. It's pretty amazing. 

post #279 of 284

I thought the whole Ministry of Peace and Telepath stuff were references to 1984.

 

And 1984 has always been, and will always be, relevant to political systems.  

post #280 of 284

I've said it before on CHUD in other threads, but there's an eerie prescience, perhaps even self fullfilling prophecy in 90's entertainment. 


Start with JFK, which taught a generation that their government was possibly illegitimate from 1963 on, then X-Files which brought more outlandish conspiracy theories into the mainstream, and Babylon 5 which portrays the very head of Earth's political system turning on and trying to annihilate it's own. 

 

Even the Super Hero movies in vogue now contain a lot of paranoia and distrust. We can't even trust the Avengers not to fuck over the world. 

post #281 of 284
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We can't even trust the Avengers not to fuck over the world. 

 

It's mostly Tony's fault!

post #282 of 284
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I thought the whole Ministry of Peace and Telepath stuff were references to 1984.

 

And 1984 has always been, and will always be, relevant to political systems.  

Yeah, I guess it's just drawing from the fascist playbook, which it seems the GOP has been more and more transparently cribbing from.

 

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I've said it before on CHUD in other threads, but there's an eerie prescience, perhaps even self fullfilling prophecy in 90's entertainment. 


Start with JFK, which taught a generation that their government was possibly illegitimate from 1963 on, then X-Files which brought more outlandish conspiracy theories into the mainstream, and Babylon 5 which portrays the very head of Earth's political system turning on and trying to annihilate it's own. 

 

Even the Super Hero movies in vogue now contain a lot of paranoia and distrust. We can't even trust the Avengers not to fuck over the world. 

That's an interesting point.  Were I of a more learned bent, I'd bet there's a pretty fascinating cultural study to be made about how this all seemed to become the zeitgeist during what was generally perceived as the last "good" decade America had, and in a time period where we had "defeated" our traditional enemy of nearly a half-century. 

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It's mostly Tony's fault!

 

Oh sure, blame the super genius white billionaire.

post #284 of 284

It wouldn't be the first time a nation had defeated all comers, only to turn on itself.

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