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Seriously Jackie Chan, WTF?

post #1 of 12
4/18/09 at 6:51pm
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Maybe its time for Jackie Chan to learn to read if he means to tackle politics.
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post #2 of 12
4/18/09 at 7:19pm
Yea, except that most Chinese agree with him... although the fact that he's from Hong Kong does make his perspective a little odd.
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post #3 of 12
4/18/09 at 9:26pm
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Chan said the problem with Chinese youth is that "they like other people's things. They don't like their own things." Young people need to spend more time developing their own style, he added.
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"I'm not sure if it's good to have freedom or not," Chan said. "I'm really confused now.
? Yes...indeed.
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post #4 of 12
4/19/09 at 7:41pm
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BOAO, China – Action star Jackie Chan said Saturday he's not sure if a free society is a good thing for China and that he's starting to think "we Chinese need to be controlled."
I agree to the fullest... We need to control the likes of Jackie Chan to not make any more movies that resemble Rush Hour.

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Speaking fast with his voice rising, Chan said, "If I need to buy a TV, I'll definitely buy a Japanese TV. A Chinese TV might explode."
Jackie, a man of contradictions.
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post #5 of 12
4/19/09 at 7:45pm
The part of this article that everyone should really pay attention to has nothing to do with one movie star's opinion and everything to do with an audience of Chinese businessmen applauding after he says it. It's incredible how that country could ideologically shift while still desperately clutching onto its totalitarian system, now used for different purposes. Calling themselves communist while feeding off the continued exploitation of their own workers, hi-larious.
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post #6 of 12
4/20/09 at 10:54pm
Presented for perspective.
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post #7 of 12
4/20/09 at 11:04pm
As the comments say, his statement and intent is pretty clear when put in the political context even with the alternate translation.

Funny thing is, I've heard similar sounding statements from friends that live here but come from China. Once I had an argument with one of them about why it's wrong for them to censor the internet, his attitude was "that's only a big deal in the West, as long as the govt. provides food it doesn't matter" and the media is "out to get China". The official line/mentality is that we're all out to "get China". How convenient for the Chinese government.
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post #8 of 12
4/21/09 at 12:34am
Thanks for the perspective, reggie.

EDIT: I linked this to a Chinese friend of mine and she says what Chan said doesn't sound inflammatory at all when read in Chinese.

EDIT: Of course from there, I have to take her political worldview into account... hahahaah.
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post #9 of 12
4/24/09 at 2:12am
I lived in China for 6 months. I taught undergraduate and graduate Chinese students at one of the best universities in China, most of whom are members of the communist party. I talked to my classes at great length about their government, the world and their place in it, and believe me, this is how they think. What ElCapitan experienced is very much the norm.

The Chinese put complete faith in their government to do what is right. Their nationalism, and governmental support is akin to religion. In fact one of my students when I asked her why she believes whatever her government says, regardless of the evidence, she responded (without even really realizing what she was saying) that if the Chinese do not believe in their government then they have nothing to believe in.
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post #10 of 12
4/24/09 at 7:29am
Chan isn't the best at speaking, he's often criticized in Hong Kong and Taiwan for his various comments. Also, remember he basically grew up poor without a formal education. I keep reading how the opera school kids grew up barely knowing how to write and speak properly.

But I think Jackie just wants to make good with greater China. I think he wants access to the mainland to open up more Jackie's Kitchens.
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post #11 of 12
4/24/09 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by Fat Dragon View Post
Chan isn't the best at speaking, he's often criticized in Hong Kong and Taiwan for his various comments..
Yep, I agree. I disagree with Chan's comments that Hong Kong is too chaotic (though my chaotic barometer is probably different from his), but I think he cares about China and like you said is just shitty at articulating that and instead goes on a madman rant. I don't think he wants Chinese products to be inferior, but some are and it pisses him off so much that he goes off. I think he is also concerned about corruption (it could be worse in the Mainland than it is now - see Bangladesh and Indonesia), and I think he is worried that if there is a too sudden of a shift to democracy that it could get even more crazy. This might be what he means by "controlling" people.
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post #12 of 12
4/24/09 at 1:55pm
'Control' is too loaded a word here. My friend says that 'discipline' is probably closer to what Chan meant.
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