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post #51 of 236
4/25/09 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Verbal Kint View Post
Sorry, but am I the only one who likes to watch the draft just to pick out future burn-outs? I don't WISH that they fail, just think it's funny when they turn out to be a Tim Couch or a Ryan Leaf.
I like watching for the crowd reactions, especially the inevitable booing of the overall 1st pick. The Mario Williams "overrated!" chant still gives me a chuckle.
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post #52 of 236
4/25/09 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by James May View Post
Boldin to Chicago? That'd make Chicago damn scary. Considering what they put down for Cutler, though makes it a risky prospect (assuming they'd be giving more drafts for him).
Eh, there's plenty of opportunity for Cutler to blow up in their face, but both Cutler and Boldin are relatively young, productive, and in the primes of their careers. What are the odds that a random 2nd round pick is going to be better than Boldin, when all is said and done? Slim.
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post #53 of 236
4/25/09 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 View Post
The Mario Williams "overrated!" chant still gives me a chuckle.

Especially since the crowd should've saved it for pretty much every other top 20 pick in that draft (D'Brickashaw Ferguson excepted, he's been terrific).
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post #54 of 236
4/25/09 at 4:05pm
Well, both Cutler and Boldin have minor question marks next to their names. The upside on both of them is pretty tremendous, though and worth the risk.
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post #55 of 236
4/25/09 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 View Post
I like watching for the crowd reactions, especially the inevitable booing of the overall 1st pick.
I hate the Jet fans. They really need to get the draft out of NY every once in a while. There are plenty of cities that it could work. Chicago, Miami, Philly.

30 min untill NFL network starts it's draft day.
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post #56 of 236
4/25/09 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by James May View Post
Well, both Cutler and Boldin have minor question marks next to their names. The upside on both of them is pretty tremendous, though and worth the risk.
I don't think those two have what you'd term "upside" - I think that Boldin is already a top 5 WR and Cutler is already a top 10 QB. How much further "up" can they go?
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post #57 of 236
4/25/09 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
I don't think those two have what you'd term "upside" - I think that Boldin is already a top 5 WR and Cutler is already a top 10 QB. How much further "up" can they go?
Semantics aside, the ability to produce winning performances is something they'll have to prove. Cutler hasn't been in a playoff game and Boldin put up good numbers as a wide receiver next to the best wide receiver in league. While I don't think its terribly likely, I do think its possible that both could struggle in different situations.
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post #58 of 236
4/25/09 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by James May View Post
Semantics aside, the ability to produce winning performances is something they'll have to prove. Cutler hasn't been in a playoff game and Boldin put up good numbers as a wide receiver next to the best wide receiver in league. While I don't think its terribly likely, I do think its possible that both could struggle in different situations.
I think Boldin's rookie season and his first season opposite rookie Fitzgerald showed he can thrive in less-than-ideal circumstances.

With Cutler, I DO think there is a bit of risk putting him into a situation where he has no NFL WRs and some dubious offensive coaches. His numbers will DEFINITELY drop off, and that doesn't really matter much as long as his wins increase.
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post #59 of 236
4/25/09 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by Troy n View Post
Boldin to Chicago will never happen..he has the kind of personal issues that the franchise has zero tolerance for.
What personal issues? He was public about wanting a new contract, and had that one blowup with the OC, but I've never heard/seen anything else.
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post #60 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:01pm
Apparently all kinds of calls flying around about teams trading up and down in the top 10.
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post #61 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:04pm
I'm hearing the Bucs are lining up potential trade partners to move down if certain players they're targeting are off the board by the time their pick rolls around.
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post #62 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:05pm
And there go the boo birds!

Do they just boo out of tradition now?
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post #63 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:06pm
It's the Jets fans practicing for later.
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post #64 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:11pm
Sanchez is on his phone.
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post #65 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:15pm
Jason Smith is the best prospect in the draft, IMO. No-brainer.
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post #66 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:16pm
Kiper still thinks the Rams should have picked Sanchez.
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post #67 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Kiper still thinks the Rams should have picked Sanchez.
If Mel Kiper ever got to run an NFL team, he'd make Matt Millen look like George Young.
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post #68 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:21pm
His logic is that you let him sit a year or two under Bulger, that you don't let a franchise-type QB get away from you. I can sort of see the logic, but the Rams offensive line is such bad shape, they had to go that route here.
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post #69 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Kiper still thinks the Rams should have picked Sanchez.
He's bad on QB's. Youtube had clips on the Cutler draft and he had the other 2 QB's taken rated higher. Those other 2 qb's were Vince Young and Matt Leinart.
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post #70 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
His logic is that you let him sit a year or two under Bulger, that you don't let a franchise-type QB get away from you. I can sort of see the logic, but the Rams offensive line is such bad shape, they had to go that route here.
I see the logic as well, but of the top NFL QBs right now - Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Cutler, Romo, Brees, Warner - only one was a super-high 1st rounder. So I tend to lean towards the thought process that you don't have to mortgage the franchise to get the franchise QB.

I also recall Kiper giving the business to Bill Polian for picking Trev Alberts and Marshall Faulk over Trent Dilfer; uh, which draft would you have rather had? IMO he overvalues QBs.
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post #71 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:26pm
First mock-buster pick.
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post #72 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:26pm
The Seahakws are probably going to jump all over Aaron Curry now.
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post #73 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
First mock-buster pick.
Yeah, but Jackson's stock has been rising pretty quickly in the last few days.
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post #74 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Yeah, but Jackson's stock has been rising pretty quickly in the last few days.
That's why the draft is such a waste of time - you have from Jan on to look at game film, and a month or two to crunch combine numbers, but people talk about someone's stock rising "the last few days" before the draft.

I'd love to actually be in the know and find out if Jackson was KC's guy at the end of the season, or jumped up there after the combine, or after pro-day/visit with the team, or if they were sitting there "hey, we're down to a couple minutes...how about this Jackson kid?" "Sure, why the hell not!"
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post #75 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:32pm
Damn, the Seahawks are going to have one hell of a linebacker corps now. If Hasselbeck is healthy, Seattle could be back next year.
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post #76 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:34pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
That's why the draft is such a waste of time - you have from Jan on to look at game film, and a month or two to crunch combine numbers, but people talk about someone's stock rising "the last few days" before the draft.

I'd love to actually be in the know and find out if Jackson was KC's guy at the end of the season, or jumped up there after the combine, or after pro-day/visit with the team, or if they were sitting there "hey, we're down to a couple minutes...how about this Jackson kid?" "Sure, why the hell not!"
Most of the speculation in January is coming from sportswriters, who aren't in on what's going on in the war rooms. The "rising stock" most likely comes from getting actual information from the teams as opposed to pure speculation.
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post #77 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:35pm
Didn't Kiper prefer Leaf over Manning as well?

Given the collective track record and the guaranteed money, nobody should make the argument that a team needs to take a QB in the top 10. Especially one who is as big a question mark as Sanchez. Take somebody who won't be cashing paychecks while holding a clipboard.
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post #78 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:35pm
There are fewer question marks about Sanchez than there are about Stafford.
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post #79 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:36pm
Sanchez is still available Jets fans!

Oh, and as far as Draft coverage goes its all about the NFL Network for me. I love Rich Eisen, Faulk, et al. The clowns on ESPN sound like a bunch of talking heads to me.

Oh shit, first trade of the day just went down.

Looks like SAnchez will be playing in the Meadowlands. How about that Jet fans??!
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post #80 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:37pm
Mort on ESPN thinks this next pick is getting traded, and I'm inclined to agree. Someone is going to move up to get Sanchez here.
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post #81 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:39pm
Jets just traded up, Sanchez to the Big Apple.
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post #82 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:41pm
Another great thing about the draft - "Hey, the Jets are taking Sanchez! I've heard of him! WHOOOOO!"

I'd take Monroe here if I were ANY team.
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post #83 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:41pm
Indeed!
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post #84 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:42pm
Berman: "It'll take the Jets fans about an hour to figure out something wrong with this."

EDIT: And there's three REALLY unhappy Jets fans in attendance. Probably wondering what they gave up to get up to this spot.
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post #85 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:43pm
Its official Sanchez going to New York. BTW, why do Jet fans at the draft continue to make complete asses of themselves every year?
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post #86 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
There are fewer question marks about Sanchez than there are about Stafford.
I'd rather have Stafford- but then again I'd rather have neither if I had to guarantee that much money and dedicate that many years to a potential bust. But the Lions were in a position where they had to take one of the two, at least more so than the Rams.
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post #87 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:46pm
Cleveland moves down to 17 and gets the Jets' 2nd round pick and three players.

EDIT: One of those players is QB Brett Ratliff, which means the Browns could be moving Quinn or Anderson soon.
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post #88 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:51pm
The Bengals go with Andre Smith from Bama, he of the infamous shirtless workout.
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post #89 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:51pm
Andre Smith could be the best player in the draft or eat himself out of the league in 3 years.
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post #90 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Cleveland moves down to 17 and gets the Jets' 2nd round pick and three players.

EDIT: One of those players is QB Brett Ratliff, which means the Browns could be moving Quinn or Anderson soon.
My $$$ would be that they would trade Anderson. Though who knows what Mangini is thinking.
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post #91 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:53pm
Raiders probably go for the fastest WR here.
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post #92 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:57pm
Darrius Heyward-Bey does not look happy to be a Raider.
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post #93 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:57pm
WOW.

Al Davis is either a true genius or has completely fallen off the deep end. I'd lean towards the latter.

Hellpaso is probably throwing stuff around his abode at this point in time.
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post #94 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:58pm
Davis loves speed, and Heyward-Bey ran the fastest time at the combine.
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post #95 of 236
4/25/09 at 5:59pm
Jacksonville's been trying to trade out of this pick, but if they can't, Crabtree goes to them.
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post #96 of 236
4/25/09 at 6:02pm
Raiders just love to fuck up.
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Hellpaso is probably throwing stuff around his abode at this point in time.
Was wondering his thoughts. I know I'd be pissed.
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post #97 of 236
4/25/09 at 6:03pm
Sure, Heyward-Bey ran fast at the combine, but look at Crabtree's game film from last season. Three days of workouts in sweatpants can't outweigh that.
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post #98 of 236
4/25/09 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post

Was wondering his thoughts. I know I'd be pissed.
I'd be surprised if paso can even form words right now..."NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Farg frack garrrr hurrgggg"
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post #99 of 236
4/25/09 at 6:06pm
Ah, Jags go with Monroe. Makes sense, given how little depth their O-line had last year.

There's rumors out of the Crabtree camp that he wasn't going to be happy if he dropped. Well, he's dropping.
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post #100 of 236
4/25/09 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Sure, Heyward-Bey ran fast at the combine, but look at Crabtree's game film from last season. Three days of workouts in sweatpants can't outweigh that.
If I were a team's GM, the combine would essentially be something to ELIMINATE players from consideration, not to vault them INTO it.

But I'm not an NFL GM, more's the pity.
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