Originally Posted by yt
I don't disagree with you. I'm about the same as you spiritually, as well as anti-death penalty (but pro-choice), and while you and I may not accept killing enemies as moral, it's legal under the laws of war (not civilians though) and an accepted "necessary evil" according to the precepts of our government and the traditions of our country. Torturing is not.
I guess that's the problem I'm having. I can't fathom why we're so up in arms over policy to torture, but not maim or kill, when we all sit there and go, "Oh, but killing's okay. It's part of war."
It is because we say it is. It's that simple, and starts and stops being that way when we say so. I don't see very well why, with our advances in technology, we aren't but a few years away from casualty-free combat. We already have nerve toxins, not-penetrative ammunition, sonic and resonant weaponry, and unmanned combat units; why isn't there a bigger push to integrate these things more fully? I certainly care more about reducing Allied casualties than I do about arguing the gray moral areas of what does or doesn't constitute "torture."
Oddly, the practice of war takes the act of killing enemy combatants as incentive for the opposing faction to accept what new initiative their enemy is encouraging. Therefor, given that death is the currency for successful campaigning, I posit to you (generally) that not only is war stupid and dumb, but the fact that killing is accepted as a reasonable practice to achieve political goals is, to me, far more abhorrent than torturing someone to less than the point of injury.
And furthermore, to play the moral relativist, I again have trouble taking cause against the Bush administration (in this specific instance, anyway) as long as no one is holding responsible those behind such more careless and permanently damaging war-time atrocities, such as the fallout from nuclear attacks or Agent Orange or Japanese internment camps.
|But are there discussions along these lines going on anywhere?
Not that I know of. Just a thought out of my own head.