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What Gets To You More: Fast Kills or Slow?

post #1 of 15
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This idea hit me for some reason on the drive home tonight. I'd be interested to find out what kind of kills make more of an impression on us: fast, violent, bloody/gory kills, or slow, more up close & personal kills?

There are spoilers in here, so read with caution if you have yet to see the films discussed.

For me, I think slow kills are definitely more effective from a scares point of view. They tend to get under your skin and cause you to empathize more with the victim (which is not a pleasant thing when you're empathizing with is death, pain & fear). Some examples are the kill in "Halloween", where Michael pins the guy to the wall with the knife (holding him up off the floor), and scrutinizes his work and the victim's reaction, tilting his head as he watches him die. "Halloween" is one of my favorite horror films, and this is the only kill that really sticks with me (and I just saw it again this past weekend). I also just saw "The Strangers", and while I was a little disappointed with it, I could see how the ending, where the killers 1) take off their masks, pretty much signaling that they don't intend to let Liv & BF out alive & 2) stab them both, slowly, in front of each other, the resulting wounds not resulting in immediate death. I think this scene could have been vastly improved by a little more emotion from the victims. Perhaps more pleading & screaming. Dignified deaths don't, IMO, make for good horror. But the concept is pretty chilling. And while not a horror film, I think the death of Pvt Mellish in "Saving Private Ryan" affected us all more deeply than even the most gory, violent deaths from the invasion footage. Or at least, it affected us for different reasons.

Which brings me to the othr kind of kill, a "faster", more violent, gorier kind of kill. I won't lie & say these don't make an impression on me, but it's more of a bloodthirsty "Wow!" reaction than genuine fear. I can see, however, how the violence & impled pain or the suddenness of it, can scare someone a great deal (to return to "Private Ryan", the scene where the soldiers in the landing craft get cut down by the machine gun before they can
even get moving onto the beach was pretty disturbing; I recall thinking: "Just like that? You die that quickly, with no chance to do or affect ANYTHING? Just poof! and you're gone?"

I think the near universality of the former may in part account for the recent torture porn trend. By definition, torture porn involves longer, drawn out, painful kills/acts of torture. Maybe the audience has pretty much become jaded by even the best executed "fast" kills, and need something a little more likely to get under our skin and hit us where we live to provoke a fear reaction (which is what we're there for), above & beyond the mere presence of blood & gore (which torture porn often provides as well). But that's just one Chewer's opnion.

Do you agree with me that "slow" kills are scarier, and why? Further, do you think this estimation is universal, as I do? And what of the link to torture porn? Do you agree?
post #2 of 15
The slower kills come off as more visceral and tend to make my skin crawl personally, or really the tension leading up to it is what will make my skin crawl. Whereas the faster kills don't usually have much of affect on me other than 'that was cool' or 'I didn't see that coming'. So it's the slow kills that'll get to me more.
post #3 of 15
I think how affected you are by a death depends entirely on how much you sympathise with a character. If you don't care about a character it doesn't matter if they kill them slow or fast. I think that's why filmmakers often kill supporting cast quickly, they know you're not going to care, so they go for the shock value and move on. I think Saving Private Ryan is a good example of this, you're suppose to sit back and be amazed by the clusterfuck of death at the beginning, but by the end of the movie Spielberg knows you care about the characters, and that's why we have to sit there and watch as Goldberg's characters pleads and desperately fights to keep the knife from stabbing into his heart.

All things being equal though with a list of characters you care about, I think it still depends entirely on the specifics of the character and the scene. Movie deaths can be ruined by a filmmaker that doesn't understand how to direct their actors, when to call cut, or the actor/s just not being very good. At a certain point the audience will divorce themselves to keep from being affected by a movie that doesn't deserve it.

Also, I think there is a distinction to made with Torture Porn. Torture is not a slow death, it's prolonged, usually, elaborate violence without necessarily the guarantee of death. It's wacthing a girl root around in a pit full of hyperdermic needles, or a kid getting holes drilled into him by a creepy foreigner. It's meant to be a fucked up spectacle of physical violence, and gets under your skin for a completely different reason than watching a drawn out death.
post #4 of 15
I'm much more creeped out by the slow anticipation of death as opposed to an actual slow death. Trinity had a slow death, and it was laughable.

However, the lakeside murder in Zodiac is so skincrawling, because of the whole prelude to the actual murder is just reeking with menace and dread. It would have been far less effective had the guy just leaped out from behind the tree and started stabbing.
post #5 of 15
They're both equally effective but it really depends on the execution more than anything. And my level of involvement with the character. A quick death for some unnamed extra isn't anything too special, excluding something really spectacular. But the same thing happening to a character I sympathize with will be very effective. See Naomi Watts getting casually tossed of the boat at the end of Funny Games.
post #6 of 15
Fast or slow really doesn't matter to me; the context of the death within the film itself is what makes the difference for me. Spoiler: William Peterson's death in 'To Live and Die in LA' would have lost almost all of its impact if it HAD NOT been quick and unexpected.

Another thing: if the manner of the character's death speaks to a particular fear that the viewer has, the scene will have more of a chance to have an effect regardless of 'speed'.
post #7 of 15
Interesting topic.

Zodiac is a great example.

When pulled off with skill, hard to argue against both being almost equally effective:

Fast kill, a famous Exorcist III scene comes to mind. Or the out-of-the closet boogieman in Halloween.

Of course, for the slow, the eye-piercing terror in Zombi 2. And Argento's (i think) Bird With The Crystal Plumage or Cat O' Nine Tails, where we have a pov shot of a semi-nude woman on a bed smoking a cigarette, surprised to see an intruder slowly coming toward her. The freaky thing about that one is the audience feels violated along with her as she's slowly murdered.

Also, Psycho shower fits into the slow kill. We know something's up, but Hitch toys with us a bit before the shocking kill.

Push comes to shove, guess i'd go with the slow death. Done right, makes the audience feel helpless as well as scared. Less margin of error though for the filmmaker.
post #8 of 15
For me it's more about how realistically the death is handled. For example, there's a death near the beginning of No Country For Old Men where Chigurh kills some random guy with his bolt pistol watching the life drain out of the man's eyes in the span of a millisecond was terrifying for me. Equally as effective as Goldberg's slow torturous death in SPR.
post #9 of 15
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Fast or slow really doesn't matter to me; the context of the death within the film itself is what makes the difference for me. Spoiler: William Peterson's death in 'To Live and Die in LA' would have lost almost all of its impact if it HAD NOT been quick and unexpected.

Another thing: if the manner of the character's death speaks to a particular fear that the viewer has, the scene will have more of a chance to have an effect regardless of 'speed'.
These are excellent points. I'd like to see the latter developed a bit more; what exactly did you have in mind when you mentioned kills that appeal to a particular fear? Things like an arachnophobe being killed by a spider, or something?
post #10 of 15
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These are excellent points. I'd like to see the latter developed a bit more; what exactly did you have in mind when you mentioned kills that appeal to a particular fear? Things like an arachnophobe being killed by a spider, or something?
Personally, I'm not afraid of death. The concept/state of being really doesn't scare me in the slightest.

I AM afraid of the way that I'll die, however. Drowning is a fear for me; I almost drowned when I was 10 years old, and that's provided me with a fear/respect of open water that has stuck with me. As such, drowning scenes (in 'The Perfect Storm', for example) affect me very strongly.
post #11 of 15
Not sure what you're looking for...but Arachnophobia expertly plays the audience. Some of the scenes--and kills-- are cringe-inducing (in a good way!) even for people without fear of spiders.
post #12 of 15
The Countess Bathory sequence in Hostel 2 is remarkably effective for me. It's an excellent scene that I don't quite think the rest of the film lives up to again. Even the castration didn't bother me as much as that.
post #13 of 15
A sense of helplessness invoked just before the death will get me every time. Gage hamstringing Fred Gwynne does that. So does the Alien lifting Yaphet Kotto up to look at him before tonguing his brainpan. It's frightening to me to think that when the time comes, that victim had zero recourse. No chance. And they knew it. It's in the knowing. You see it coming, but you have no chance to make your peace.
post #14 of 15
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However, the lakeside murder in Zodiac is so skincrawling, because of the whole prelude to the actual murder is just reeking with menace and dread. It would have been far less effective had the guy just leaped out from behind the tree and started stabbing.
Agreed 100%. Ironically, neither of the two movie deaths that I find to be the most disturbing were taken from a horror film. Both have been mentioned in this thread already: the Lake Berryessa murder in Zodiac and Goldberg's murder in Saving Private Ryan. They're both horrifying precisely because of how long they take. They are not quick deaths. They are not quick releases or escapes from further pain. They are drawn out and agonizing. For that reason, they make my skin crawl.
post #15 of 15
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I think Saving Private Ryan is a good example of this, you're suppose to sit back and be amazed by the clusterfuck of death at the beginning, but by the end of the movie Spielberg knows you care about the characters, and that's why we have to sit there and watch as Goldberg's characters pleads and desperately fights to keep the knife from stabbing into his heart.
Good point, and I wonder how the climax to Scorsese's THE DEPARTED counters it.

This discussion makes me think of the popular preferred method. The mainstream movie-going (and other media-enjoying) masses get a vicarious thrill/enjoyment/fulfillment/guilt from long deaths (and the tragic stories surrounding them). The epics, especially, exploit these, often containing redemptions and comeuppances and soliloquies and catharsis and whatnot.

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