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post #1 of 16
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Jarmusch to the 10th power. Reminded me occasionally of Melville's Le Samourai. Only one person at the showing walked out, but this has to be one of the most patience-testing movies I've ever seen. It starts to look like it's leading to something, anything, that all your work will pay off, but then...no. An anti-thriller in every way possible. And yet somehow intriguing.

Bankole is one cool mofo, almost too cool. He never sleeps, hardly talks, and drinks lots of espresso (two shots, two separate cups). It's fascinating at first - the chain of events. He's given a pair of keys and an assigment (through some kind of code written on a tiny piece of paper that's been placed inside a matchbox)to go to Spain and wait at a hotel for 3 days until he gets the next signal. He waits at the cafe, walks around, goes to a museum, does tai-chi, waits at the cafe until the contact shows up. They discuss some aspect of art (for example Swinton talks about movies, Hitchcock's Lady of Shanghai, how movies become memories, etc.) or rather they talk and Bankole just listens. They exchange matchboxes, he reads the new code, eats the piece of paper, and returns to the hotel. Pretty cool so far, except this scenario is repeated about 10 times with the most minor of variations. The most interesting segment was when one of his contacts was a young woman who stays in his hotel room for several days and is inexplicably always completely naked.

Doyle doesn't disappoint with the visuals and once I got over trying to decipher plot and meaning, the film does have a very hypnotic, static beauty to the images. Almost like wandering through an art gallery - looking at paintings, at the architechture, at other people. There is some philosophy-lite, and apparent symbolism, but I couldn't really understand what any of it all meant. Something about painting, movies, music, dancing, and Bohemians being just as real as "real" life. Or that censorship is bad. Or maybe it was that all life is subjective experience, I don't know.

Purely an interesting visual experience that may work best on a second viewing.
post #2 of 16
I haven't seen it yet, and although I intend to, I'm not so sure now I'll be seeing this at the theater. Pretty much every review I've read has said the same: beautifully shot, but thoroughly tedious. Just like many directors on the verge of genius (mssrs Tarantino, Anderson (Paul and Wes), Aronofsky), Jarmusch is generally better through a filter. Or at the very least, more approachable. A film should strive for intelligence and nuance, but not at the cost of the purpose of storycraft. Sadly, this looks like a very pretty wank, and sadly at a time when Jarmusch is reaching his broadest audience in his career.
post #3 of 16
I didn't think it was tedious at all. I think you're really missing out if you wait for DVD. It's an amazing experience. I also have to disagree about the lack of a payoff. It's there, but it didn't really hit me until I was thinking about the movie afterwards, outside of the obvious minor beats like the resolution of the helicopter theme. It was an incredibly rewarding experience.
post #4 of 16
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Maybe all the different contacts represent the different responses people will have to the movie? It definitely affected me more intellectually and not viscerally.
post #5 of 16
Bit disappointed to hear of the lukewarm reception this is getting. I find, depending on the film, Jarmusch's minimalistic style can be either hypnotically gripping or just empty and boring. Obviously I always hope for the former.
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by Colin Farrell v.2.0 View Post
Maybe all the different contacts represent the different responses people will have to the movie? It definitely affected me more intellectually and not viscerally.
I'm not going to argue with that. But...

SPOILERS:

There was one element that added a level of sadness, emotion, or involvement to the viewing. I loved that he clearly was falling for Raincoat Girl, but his code prevented him from acting on it. You see this when he imagines her being across the alleyway from him. And the first time he shows any emotion in the whole movie is when she's killed. There's an element of revenge, no matter what he says, in that final kill. His energy is mildly amped up and there's more of a sense of determination to his actions.

Also, as juvenile and simplistic as this sounds, I felt like this is a valid interpretation of the plot. A group of revolutionaries had hired a big deal assassin to take out "the man." Bill Murray seemed to represent everyone who wants the world to be viewed in black and white, or just objectively.
post #7 of 16
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That's a good point. During his final tai-chi session it was like, woah.

I will say in the movie's favor that I have been thinking about it a lot for the last few days.
I think maybe the movie is showing his subjective experience - yes he's really on this mission, but the details are shaped by his mind. Examples being his not sleeping, the relation of the paintings in the art gallery, the helicopter being ever present - as if his focus and goal is always there in front of him, Swinton's costume, etc. As for Murray's character, I wondered if there was something intended in the American flag pins. Isolationism? And I'm still at a loss about the espressos.
post #8 of 16
That final Tai Chi session is that character's equivilent of Gerard Butler screaming in 300. That's as big as he gets, so he was crazy pissed off.

More Spoilers. I wouldn't go this far to block them out in a post release thread but I expect a lot of people are hesitant about this movie so they'll check this thread out.

Was he following the helicopter or was it following him? Bill Murray stepping out of it near the end actually shocked me, because I really thought it was just going to be part of the repetition of the movie. For a Jarmusch movie that was a remarkably clear cut payoff.
post #9 of 16
So, is this gonna be reviewed around here?
post #10 of 16
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So, is this gonna be reviewed around here?
I think I'm the only one who's seen it, and I literally just got home from the first public showing; it wasn't screened for Atlanta press. I'd like to review it, but I need to think about it a bit.

I don't know if I believe that raincoat girl exists. I'm torn between accepting her as fact and reading her as an echo from the past, of the thing that drives him. Way before it vaguely pays off in the beginning of the Bill Murray sequence I keyed in on the 'use your imagination' command, and was always looking at where he zoned out, at the relationship of paintings to what he was doing, etc.

In part, I'm also reading Tilda Swinton's character as a directorial 'cameo'. The conversation, the style, the white, and the reaching for coffee and being forced to drink water. (Jarmusch semi-famously gave up coffee years ago.) Not that it matters.

Oh, and the coffee: he almost always (I'd say always, period, but might have missed something) drinks only one cup.
post #11 of 16
re: helicopter: I think he was following it. That's the only aspect of his process that I'm currently willing to accept as 'real'.

And the fact that we hear it as the credits begin suggests that he's been as ineffectual as you might fear.
post #12 of 16
The film seems almost like an autobiography, doesn't it? Creative thinking (literally) overcomes the most pragmatic of obstacles? Reality (or, as explicitly detailed by Tilda Swinton, the reality of the film) is subjective, just like the art we see all throughout the film? And the universe is arbitrary, so naturally our rigid rituals make no sense to outside observers and add up to a bunch of running around, meaning nothing.

I want to love this film for its ideas, but it's a frustrating thing to attempt to discuss, much less to become attached to. The Bill Murray scene was almost didactic in its approach though and nowhere near as oblique as I had feared.
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post #14 of 16
Great review. I watched Broken Flowers on the big screen and I loved it so I hope I can grab this soon.
post #15 of 16
Yeah, thanks for that Russ. I was beginning to fear this would just slip by on the site. Glad you took the time to make an effort on this film. Haven't seen it yet (it's slated for release in december over here, fi god sake!), but very psyched. I have the impression that most critics took the easy way out in their review, 'damn thing makes no sense', which I find hard to believe with Jarmusch. Russ' review seems like a more balanced evaluation.
post #16 of 16

Just watched this last night and with the help of a nice bottle of red wine (3 Girls Cab if you are interested) here is my conclusion about this film:

 

None of it is literally real. I see the film as a metaphor for Jarmush's role as an Artist. The Lone Man's journey is towards artistic freedom; the Nude is a distraction (an amazing one! maybe a symbol of the fame and false opportunities that become available to people in Jarmush's position?), the Guitarist offers guidance (note that after his monologue on how musical instruments contain the memory/energy of every song played on them, the Man takes one of the guitar's strings, and later uses it as his weapon), etc.

 

Also interesting is that each "informer" attempts to engage with The Man, tries to provoke a response, but he gives nothing (or next to nothing in the case of the Blonde Woman) back. The Artist is apart from a world which tries to pull him into it.

 

And Murray's character? Sure he's a good Cheney analogue, but doesn't he represent every pencil pushing, non-imaginative asshole as well? I can see him as a direct comment on the Hollywood Studio mentality as well, one which would be happy to see Jarmush direct Pirates of the Caribbean X rather than make anything with grace or personal meaning.

 

But that's just me.

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