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post #1 of 45
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This is part of my ongoing attempts to destroy my childhood films. I used to watch this all the time when I was growing up. This film, Robocop, Die Hard, Commando, Dark Angel, and Speed were my cinematic bread and butter up until I was about twelve.

I hadn't actually revisited it for almost a decade and I finally got a chance to see it again a few nights ago at a 'Sing-Along' showing at my local cinema. Even seeing the film with a bunch of drunken students singing along to Cry Little Sister and Lost In The Shadows didn't deter me from the film, in fact it probably made the film better.

What I remembered about the film was very particular. I remember stuff like the rules for vampires, the sequence where Michael gets tricked into becoming a vamp, and inexplicably a gigantic greasy guy playing the saxophone. These are all pretty major parts of the film, seriously the greasy guy is on screen for like five minutes, but what I liked more than anything else were the 'smaller' moments.

The Lost Boys is a film that is never quiet, but there are moments which feel quiet in comparison to the excess everywhere else. Before I'd always found the build up to be rather boring, but in my view the opening forty minutes are probably the most effective for me now. There's a weird uneasiness about the first act which is really well handled and despite the 'of its timeness' of most of the film there's a certain classical element to the 'fish out of water in a town with a strange secret' aspect of the start.

The Lost Boys is probably not a good movie, but I find myself in a rather unusual place where I actually can't look at its faults. I just love the film unabashedly and I think a lot of that has to do with my childhood interactions with the material, it's bizarre to be nostalgic about a vampire movie. But there you go.
post #2 of 45
Loved it when it first came out, but when I tried to rewatch it several years ago, I found Corey Haim so fucking annoying I could barely stand it.

By contrast, however, this film is probably Corey Feldman's finest hour.
post #3 of 45
It's of its time. Near Dark owns this movie.

Frankly, D.C. Cab is Schumacher's finest film.
post #4 of 45
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I can understand the love for Near Dark, but each time I try and watch the film it's like going through a weird fever dream.
post #5 of 45
You know, it's entirely possible that you liked THE LOST BOYS when you were a kid because it's a good movie. Just because you have nostalgia for something doesn't automatically mean that it's actually bad.

To use another Feldman example, THE GOONIES is actually a bad movie. People have love for it purely for nostalgic reasons. THE LOST BOYS is actually a perfectly decent (if dated, but so what, most films films are dated) movie for what it is.
post #6 of 45
No, its a bad movie. But I love it for similar reasons to Spike. I came for The Coreys (don't judge me; I was a girl in my tweens!), but stayed for the awesome vampire camp. It's over-the-top deliciousness.
post #7 of 45
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It's also the first vampire movie, off the top of my head, that had Vampirism as a metaphor for drug use rather than sexuality.
post #8 of 45
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No, its a bad movie.
It's well shot, acted (for the most part), directed and edited. The tone is pitch perfect. Why is it a bad movie? Because it was made in the 80's and features the Coreys?

I'm not saying that it's a towering achievement of cinema, but THE LOST BOYS is exactly the sort of fun diversion it sets out to be.
post #9 of 45
Hated The Lost Boys upon it's release and I hate it now. A film utterly convinced of its own coolness that gave us cock-rock hair band vampires, shitty shitty music, awful dialogue that somehow people are convinced is quotable, an incredibly over-done gay allegory that almost made Top Gun look subtle and just a general overall crapness that people seem to have confused over the years with awesome, and that's before you even mention the Corys.

It doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Near Dark

...and The Goonies is a fucking great movie, it's an adventure film made for kids that doesn't talk to them like they're retards, directed by Richard fuckin Donner with a bunch of kids that aren't actively irritating - what the hell is wrong with some of you???
post #10 of 45
This thread is about to get nuked from orbit. I can feel it.
post #11 of 45
I caught the sequel the other night on TNT. It came on in the background and I couldn't bring myself to changing it. Surfer vampires and Haim playing the exact same character, but now 35 and not matured one iota?

In comparison to that, yes, Lost Boys is a towering achievement. Sutherland is really under appreciated for his part in this.
post #12 of 45
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I can understand the love for Near Dark, but each time I try and watch the film it's like going through a weird fever dream.
That's kind of the point, though.

I was a huge, huge, huge fan of the original, but I haven't watched it in years. Every couple of months, I'll bump the sequel to the top of my Netflix queue, but then I'll quickly replace it with other stuff. Just can't do it.

I do like Edward Herrmann in this, though. He's one of the ones who gets it, and manages to be sweet and menacing at the same time.
post #13 of 45
I saw this for the first time not too long ago. I didn't like it much, and in retrospect I like it even less. It's got everything going for it Dokken had: Attitude. It's all style over substance.

Plus Jamie Gertz looks better now than ever.
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It's well shot, acted (for the most part), directed and edited.
Seriously?
post #15 of 45
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Loved it when it first came out, but when I tried to rewatch it several years ago, I found Corey Haim so fucking annoying I could barely stand it.

By contrast, however, this film is probably Corey Feldman's finest hour.
"Santa Carla's become a haven for the undead."
"As a matter of fact, we're almost certain ghouls and werewolves occupy high positions at city hall."
"Kill your brother. You'll feel better."

Awesome.
post #16 of 45
I love elements of the film:

- The bridge sequence is great. It's a genuinely creepy sequence that still holds up to repeated viewings.
- The Chinese takeout scene where the vampires are messing with Jason Patric. This film needed more MIND GAMES like this.
- Diane Wiest was very good in this film, and I liked her dynamic with her sons.
- The soundtrack is one of the best from the 80s.

The movie doesn't come together very well, though. The elements never gel into something cohesive.
post #17 of 45
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Seriously?
Yes, seriously. How is it not well directed, shot or edited? Fine if you disagree, but explain.

There's some bad acting in there, but Patric, Sutherland, Weist, Hermann and grandpa are all great. There's some bad dialogue as well. But I STILL BELIEVE *sax wail* that the film is successful in what it is trying to do.
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Because this thread is incomplete without it:
post #19 of 45
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It's also the first vampire movie, off the top of my head, that had Vampirism as a metaphor for drug use rather than sexuality.
Off the top of MY head, I'd say Martin. But my head is not your head. There's probably an even older one off the top of some even older dude's head.

I've often cited the "Goonies Effect" - nostalgia coloring one's ability to critique a movie and see it for what it is. I now offer a companion theory: if you see something as a teen that just plays as stupid to you AS A TEEN, can you ever revisit that movie and truly evaluate it on its own terms? If Lost Boys is, in fact, an actual good movie, my own anecdotal evidence suggests: NO.
post #20 of 45
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I love elements of the film:

- The bridge sequence is great. It's a genuinely creepy sequence that still holds up to repeated viewings.
- The Chinese takeout scene where the vampires are messing with Jason Patric. This film needed more MIND GAMES like this.
- Diane Wiest was very good in this film, and I liked her dynamic with her sons.
- The soundtrack is one of the best from the 80s.

The movie doesn't come together very well, though. The elements never gel into something cohesive.
I think you can defeat The Lost Boys effect, Phil, and the fact that I never liked it much but agree with everything Booth says here (and the Edward Herrmann love) is my evidence. It is much better in the setup than the conclusion, but there are plenty of moments that make it worthwhile. If there are only two kinds of movies in this world, good and bad, I'd put it in the former category. Not by a mile, but it's in there.

ETA: I hated it at the time because (a) I was "too cool" to like anything with the Coreys and thought the music was "lame," and (b) [nerd alert] they botched most of the vampire rules I held close at the time.
post #21 of 45
From one of the other twelve Lost Boys threads:

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I like The Lost Boys, I'll admit. Soundtrack. Patric. Keifer on antlers. A Billy Wirth listening station. Great. I Wiest my case.
post #22 of 45
I liked this when I was a kid and I liked Goonies. The difference is, I still enjoy watching this. Part of it is the camp value, but it's also just an exciting movie. I'm never bored watching it. Does that make it good? I don't know. But it makes it better than Goonies. Goonies just bores the hell out of me.
post #23 of 45
It's not very good, but it's insanely watchable. The two leads - Haim and Patric - don't really seem to get what kind of movie they're in, which drags it down a bit. But Feldman was probably never better, Tommy Jarvis aside.
post #24 of 45
It seems to be popular opinion on Chud that for some reason Goonies is shit and people only like it for nostalgia reasons. I have to disagree, it's by no means a perfect film, I think it drags a bit in some places, and some of the screaming gets annoying, but on the whole I found it perfectly enjoyable, and it's certainly a lot better than what passes for family entertainment these days.

As for 'The Lost Boys' I just found it not all that enjoyable. It might be because I never actually saw it until a few years back. I'd seen snippets before (It felt like I'd seen that Bridge scene a hundred times) but I finally saw the full thing for the first time and I don't quite get the love for it. Sutherland is great (as always), Patrick isn't bad, ludicrous ear piercing aside, and Herman and the Grandpa were great.

I just think the film has lots of good 'moments' but doesn't really work as a whole. The last third is great though, I will give it that.
post #25 of 45
Yeah seriously, I've been here for ages and I know (and agree with) a lot of chuds hive-mind moments, but I'm kinda shocked at the Goonies concensus 'round here...
post #26 of 45
I always thought part of the genius of The Lost Boys is that in effect it’s two movies in one.

The first being a serious film - with the older brother using vampirism (as already stated) as a metaphor for drug use. And the second, being a comedy with the younger brother trying to deal with the strange people and goings on in a new town.

I don't know if this was intentional but I always felt that it worked better if you looked at it like that.


Oh and The Goonies is still a great movie.
post #27 of 45
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Yeah seriously, I've been here for ages and I know (and agree with) a lot of chuds hive-mind moments, but I'm kinda shocked at the Goonies concensus 'round here...
It's the anti-AICN effect. Anything Harry Knowles loves and champions must be irredeemable shit. Therefore, GOONIES is the worst piece of nostagiac crap ever despite the fun elements of the movie.

Plus, the vast majority of the CHUD brain trust hates it. Someone used to like it, Beeks maybe.
post #28 of 45
Why would the phenomenon of someone not liking something you do need to have some weird "agenda" behind it? Saying "I've never understood not liking it" and following it with "I know it's got problems", but not allowing for the possibility that someone fell on the other side of that fence, that it must be "the party line", is curious.
post #29 of 45
Eh, if I'm in the mood to watch a dated Shumacher "style over substance" film, give me Flatliners any day of the week over Lost Boys.
I was never a big fan even when I was younger, although I admit it does have it's moments.

As for Goonies, I was never big on that movie as a kid, either. I actually like it more now than I did then. I'm notorious for disliking child actors, and how that movie even stays remotely watchable for me really says something. Maybe it's the Pantoliano/Davi combo.
post #30 of 45
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Why would the phenomenon of someone not liking something you do need to have some weird "agenda" behind it? Saying "I've never understood not liking it" and following it with "I know it's got problems", but not allowing for the possibility that someone fell on the other side of that fence, that it must be "the party line", is curious.
I totally accept not liking it. I was trying to comment on the overwhelming dislike of it here, which is contrary to how most people I know feel about it. It's probably unfair of me to declare it a herd mentality or an agenda. I'm sure I could have thought it out better if I gave it more time. As it is, I come off as a bit of a dick. I'm not trying to derail, this is a whole other argument, so I should just shut up.
post #31 of 45
I'll stand by my dislike of Goonies. I get the point of it but I don't like it. I'll never understand the appeal of that movie. And Nexus, I'm telling ya D.C. Cab is where it's at.
post #32 of 45
Don't shut up - this tangent's more interesting than where I expected a Lost Boys thread to go. And I wasn't aiming specifically (or exclusively, at least) at you; sorry if it came off that way.

And in some ways, the "Goonies Effect" I mentioned is me being as guilty of the thing I called out in my last post. Much as you are baffling by the overwhelming dislike, I'm puzzled by the number of friends I have who hold it as some childhood treasure. They stand around yelling "Our time! Our time!" at each other, and I did and do think that's a shit bit of film dialogue.

Like Japanese fetish porn, I'm just disconnected from it on a cultural level, and I find it interesting to examine; unlike Japanese fetish porn, it's not about shitting on something indiscriminately.
post #33 of 45
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Don't shut up - this tangent's more interesting than where I expected a Lost Boys thread to go. And I wasn't aiming specifically (or exclusively, at least) at you; sorry if it came off that way.

And in some ways, the "Goonies Effect" I mentioned is me being as guilty of the thing I called out in my last post. Much as you are baffling by the overwhelming dislike, I'm puzzled by the number of friends I have who hold it as some childhood treasure. They stand around yelling "Our time! Our time!" at each other, and I did and do think that's a shit bit of film dialogue.
No, fault of yours that I thought you were talking about me, reading back over what I said I thought I came off like an asshole, a response would've been in order.

The "Goonies Effect" is interesting. I have the same kind of friends and it's mind boggling that they can love a middling film as much as they do. I grew up watching GOONIES but I've also watched thousands of other movies, so I probably see it as what it is and don't latch onto the nostalgia of it.

There's very little middle ground here (at CHUD) a lot of films are discussed on a love it or loathe it level. You can appreciate the fun bits in GOONIES (The Fratelli's, Chunk, Mouth showing the cleaning lady around, Martin Sheen) and also dislike the crap (it's cloying, a little long, the kids get obnoxious). I can watch it with my nine year old sister and enjoy it (she loves it) but I'm not going to pop it in and watch it with my friends. It's the vehemence of the hate that puzzles me.

To put this on topic a little, I kind of love THE LOST BOYS, and I don't think nostalgia enters into it at all (I watched it a lot around the same time I was watching GOONIES a lot). It's fun, violent, and it's got Herrmann, Hughes, and Weist classing the joint up a bit. It's not a mark for extreme love or extreme hate, but it's a fun movie to watch late on Friday night when you get back from the bar.
post #34 of 45
GOONIES is bad for several reasons. It's paced poorly. The big third act Pirate ship is a stillborn set piece that tries to be a rollicking finale and fails on very conceivable level. The leads, while decent actors, are bland aside from Plympton and Feldman. The fat kid yells every single line. He is the definition of an annoying child actor. It's funny because Rain Dog used the word 'forced' to describe THE LOST BOYS and that's exactly what I'd use to describe GOONIES. It's forced merriment.

So that's why I don't think GOONIES is a good film.
post #35 of 45
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There's very little middle ground here (at CHUD) a lot of films are discussed on a love it or loathe it level.
That's natural. People are going to post on things they're passionate about; who the hell wants to delve into how apathetic a film made them feel, or talk about average movies at length?

What?

I think the vehemence of hate is a response to the vehemence of love. A lot of us would have forgotten about The Goonies if it didn't become some 80s childhood touchstone. I guess the only thing criminal about that is it locks you into an idea of what is and isn't a classic from that time, and a lot of nuggets remain buried.

I choose exploring over revisiting when I can, but sure, I also have those films I return to again and again. Sometimes I just have to work at having empathy when someone else's "that film" isn't my "that film."
post #36 of 45
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GOONIES is bad for several reasons. It's paced poorly. The big third act Pirate ship is a stillborn set piece that tries to be a rollicking finale and fails on very conceivable level. The leads, while decent actors, are bland aside from Plympton and Feldman. The fat kid yells every single line. He is the definition of an annoying child actor. It's funny because Rain Dog used the word 'forced' to describe THE LOST BOYS and that's exactly what I'd use to describe GOONIES. It's forced merriment.

So that's why I don't think GOONIES is a good film.
Agreed entirely, especially about the fat kid. I have a low tolerance for actors who yell EVERY SINGLE LINE; it's the cinematic equivalent of nails on a chalkboard.
post #37 of 45
There's really a lot not to like about GOONIES, and that's why the love of it is suspect to be simply the result of nostalgia. It's really a clunky mess of a film. It's not like THE MUPPET MOVIE or something where you can watch it as a soured old man and still be in awe of its genius and ability to entertain.
post #38 of 45
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I never quite got Chunk, the joke just seemed to be that he was a fat kid and they never seemed to do anything but that. Then again using Monster Squad and IT as examples it seems that in the 80s being fat was character development.
post #39 of 45
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That's natural. People are going to post on things they're passionate about; who the hell wants to delve into how apathetic a film made them feel, or talk about average movies at length?
I get that. But GOONIES is an average movie, and we're discussing it at length.

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I think the vehemence of hate is a response to the vehemence of love. A lot of us would have forgotten about The Goonies if it didn't become some 80s childhood touchstone. I guess the only thing criminal about that is it locks you into an idea of what is and isn't a classic from that time, and a lot of nuggets remain buried.
I understand that too. It would be harder to hate GOONIES if there weren't so many people who love it. I've found myself violently hating another overrated (by idiots) movie, THE BOONDOCK SAINTS, due to the people who love it. I've had more than one conversation using empirical evidence from that movie to prove it's the worst thing ever. I've tried to work myself out of having a reaction to the fans rather than the film and I now realize that it's just pretty bad, not the worst thing ever. I neither love any of the movies I've been arguing about nor do I feel they're the worst things ever committed to celluloid. Though it's strange that GOONIES would be the film to become that touchstone I don't think that's not the movie's fault.
post #40 of 45
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I get that.
I don't think you did, but I was being subtle.

Your experience with Boondock Saints is a perfect example (though I never got around to watching it, so that particular feud was just white noise to me).
post #41 of 45
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HA! Missed that one, I've gotta stop spending all my time in the LOST thread. You're right, I didn't get it.
post #42 of 45
I can see why people might not like 'The Goonies'. I agree that some of the performances have grated since I was younger. But it's when people start a criticism with "People only like it because...". Get the fuck out of here with that talk. Don't presume to understand why people like something you don't.

I just saw a special screening of 'From Russia With Love' and people were loving Bond's quips after he dispatched some people towards the end. However I found them awkward and forced. They enjoyed it, I didn't. Everyone can accept that. But when it comes to something like 'The Goonies' that reasoning is tossed aside and people insist the only reason one might like it is for nostalgia reasons. Like I'm in some sort of denial about it.

I should watch the film again because it's been a while. Do I think it's an absolute classic? Not really. Can I watch it if it ever comes on TV and see it through to the end? Yes I can.
post #43 of 45
The Goonies is a fun adventure movie starring kids. The "our time" line was great because as a kid, you got to be part of the club. Yes, the whole purpose of Chunk is to make fun of how fat he was (I admit the Truffle Shuffle still makes me laugh) and Mouth literally was the most annoying person on earth. But you liked them because they remind you of your real life friends, who'll stick by you through thick and thin. Data and the Fratellis are stereotypes, but you laughed at the crazy hijincks they got into and Sloth was just Sloth. He was a monster with a a heart of gold who liked candy bars. I don't think anyone purports it to be a good movie, but that doesn't mean you can't have a good time watching it. It's not worth the love or vile that both extremes have for the film.
post #44 of 45
The Goonies introduced me to Kerry Green, so I can't hate on it.

Seriously, though, it's basically a Little Rascals movie that happens to take place in the 1980's instead of the Depression Era. It works on that very meager level.
post #45 of 45
I loved both of these movies when I was younger, but my opinion has changed with one of them

The Goonies has a bunch of bright spots, but as said above, it is poorly paced and kinda falls apart at the end. That didn't bother me when I was younger, but it does now.

As for the Lost Boys, it reminds me of Top Gun, a very dated film that still manages to be very entertaining every time I revisit it.
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