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I lurk around these forums a lot, and want to get some recommendations for music to fill up my 7-year-old daughter's new MP3 player. Specifically, I want to start her on a steady diet of good music so she'll be prepared to fight off the infectious tween pop that she is soon to be bombarded with.

So the songs should be fairly non-sexual and light on the profanity. There's plenty of time for that later. Basically I'm looking for stuff that's timeless, or wicked good, or just plain fun that will appeal to a young mind.

Hit me with some good tunes...
post #2 of 69
I find the young'uns really get into much of The Beatles stuff and it gives them a good grounding on what actual good songwriting sounds like.
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Tmbg
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Talking Heads.
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My 7-year-old loves The Beatles, the Beach Boys, Bobby Darin, Queen, Weezer, AC/DC, Boston...etc. and so forth...

...and we still own every Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus and High School Musical CD there is.

You can't escape it - no matter how hard you try.
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Tmbg
Seconded.
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I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I think a pretty entertaining children's (maybe "kid-friendly" is a better word) album could be culled from the Tom Waits oeuvre.
post #8 of 69
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They Might Be Giants is a great suggestion, and they've even got a couple of kids albums that are supposed to be good. The kids are already interested in the Beatles...Yellow Submarine especially.

I hadn't thought of Weezer, but I think they'd be surprisingly kid-friendly. The Beach Boys kind of grate on my nerves, unfortunately. I don't deny that they're an important and talented band, so don't flame me too bad, but they drive me up the wall. Queen is a good idea too...Bohemian Rhapsody should blow her little mind.

I'm also throwing in a couple of Lyle Lovett tunes and some one-hit-wonders from the 80's (Big Country, Men Without Hats, etc.).
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I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I think a pretty entertaining children's (maybe "kid-friendly" is a better word) album could be culled from the Tom Waits oeuvre.
I'm totally picturing what my daughter's face would look like if something like Earth Died Screaming or 9th and Hennepin. She already thinks I'm weird...
post #10 of 69
Pavement
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Actually, the best intro to The Beatles for kids is to maybe show them the animated Yellow Submarine - it's a good visual cue into their music I find.

The Queen suggestion was a great one as well. Freddies bombast works well with the young'uns (hell it did when I was 7)
post #12 of 69
Some songs my niece took to right away:

"Senses Working Overtime" by XTC, "The Loco-Motion" by Little Eva and "Stand" by REM. Also, Jake is most correct with TMBG - the Flood album gets tons of play, and everyone from my 3 YO nephew up through the grandparents all start bopping along to it.

Also, if true pop doesn't scare you, ABBA works wonders, too (the more upbeat songs).
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I hadn't thought of Weezer, but I think they'd be surprisingly kid-friendly.
I'd never thought of that either until now, but Weezer's actually a solid band to start a kid out on.

Pinkerton may go over a 7 year old's head though. But then again kids these days are farther along than we were at their age.
post #14 of 69
Not that it matters, but I was trying to think of some relatively newer stuff compared to the other suggestions, and

1) Arcade Fire - Maybe a few of the songs on Neon Bible would be too "scary," but Funeral is pretty much about being a kid. And the music is totally enjoyable in a fun, simple, hearwarming way.

2) Tegan & Sara - Solid pop, with very solid (and totally non-sexual) lyrics. Plus, almost every artist mentioned so far has been male, and you want a little more variety there.
post #15 of 69
My kids are 6 and 3, and they love Bohemian Rhapsody. Other great stuff they love - Bee Gees, Carpenters, Boomtown Rats. Kids are amazingly open towards music. They even like Opera. I can't tell you how happy I am not to be listening to Barney anymore in the car.
post #16 of 69
Pink Floyd was played from the age of 5 to 7 and it helped me go to sleep in a relaxing way
post #17 of 69
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Pavement
I'm not really familiar with their stuff. Can you give me a couple of songs?
post #18 of 69
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Some songs my niece took to right away:

"Senses Working Overtime" by XTC, "The Loco-Motion" by Little Eva and "Stand" by REM. Also, Jake is most correct with TMBG - the Flood album gets tons of play, and everyone from my 3 YO nephew up through the grandparents all start bopping along to it.

Also, if true pop doesn't scare you, ABBA works wonders, too (the more upbeat songs).
I'm way ahead of you on ABBA, and I'm not afraid to say it. And I'd forgotten all about Senses Working Overtime, that's a great song. A little of the zippier REM sounds good too.
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Not that it matters, but I was trying to think of some relatively newer stuff compared to the other suggestions, and

1) Arcade Fire - Maybe a few of the songs on Neon Bible would be too "scary," but Funeral is pretty much about being a kid. And the music is totally enjoyable in a fun, simple, hearwarming way.

2) Tegan & Sara - Solid pop, with very solid (and totally non-sexual) lyrics. Plus, almost every artist mentioned so far has been male, and you want a little more variety there.
I think I heard it mentioned that the song on the Where the Wild Things Are trailer is Arcade Fire. Do you know the name of the song?

And I'll check out Tegan & Sara as well. I certainly want some female voices in the mix. I think she'd like Cyndi Lauper.
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I'm not really familiar with their stuff. Can you give me a couple of songs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijQta_HhweQ
post #21 of 69
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My kids are 6 and 3, and they love Bohemian Rhapsody. Other great stuff they love - Bee Gees, Carpenters, Boomtown Rats. Kids are amazingly open towards music. They even like Opera. I can't tell you how happy I am not to be listening to Barney anymore in the car.
More good suggestions. It's always been the goal to avoid Barney and his ilk. We've listened to mostly the rogues gallery from Noggin for the last few years, Laurie Berkner, Imagination Movers, Choo Choo Soul, Dan Zanes, Philadelphia Chickens, and most recently the Animaniacs soundtrack and the Barenaked Ladies' "Snacktime" CD which they did for the kiddos. I heartily recommend any of those for preschoolers as well.

Keep them coming, Chewers. We're getting on a plane in tomorrow afternoon, and I'm going to love giving her a new MP3 player with this wicked eclectic mix.
post #22 of 69
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Pink Floyd was played from the age of 5 to 7 and it helped me go to sleep in a relaxing way
You know, I can actually see that. With a few little exceptions (like the ringing alarm clocks), Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here are pretty damn mellow.
post #23 of 69
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My 7-year-old loves The Beatles, the Beach Boys, Bobby Darin, Queen, Weezer, AC/DC, Boston...etc. and so forth...

...and we still own every Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus and High School Musical CD there is.

You can't escape it - no matter how hard you try.
I know I probably can't beat the system, but as long as there's a little variety...and she realizes that there's other music out there that *doesn't* come from the central Mouse House repository, I'm good.

Hell, High School Musical is so peppy and earnest that I catch myself singing the songs from time to time. The main goal is to have a well-rounded diet!
post #24 of 69
The Gothic Archies.
post #25 of 69
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...and I just realized that I misspelled "inoculating".

Thanks for the Gothic Archies tip, anything that was played on "The Adventures of Pete & Pete" is OK by me.
post #26 of 69
Kids love The Ramones!

The Motown stuff is a great intro into R & B. Can't go wrong with the Jackson 5.
post #27 of 69
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Kids love The Ramones!

The Motown stuff is a great intro into R & B. Can't go wrong with the Jackson 5.
I second on The Ramones.

I haven't heard it, but The Spongebob Squarepants Soundtrack seems fantasic. It has The Flaming Lips (with a song titled "Spongebob and Patrick Confront the Psychic Wall of Energy"), Wilco, Prince Paul, The Shins, Motorhead and Ween.

You may be able to get away with some Ween, but be careful.
post #28 of 69
My brothers fed me a steady diet of Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, and Deep Purple when I was growing up. When I entered junior high, I discovered Rush and Queen.

I also credit one of my brothers for getting me into jazz at an early age, specifically Al Di Meola/Chick Corea/Return to Forever type stuff.
post #29 of 69
There's a great Stax Records 50th anniversary set that can be gotten for cheap. Weed out some of the overtly sexual stuff and give her some Staples Singers, Rufus Thomas, etc. I'm making a CD for my niece for her birthday and putting some of that stuff on it.
post #30 of 69
She might be a little too old at this point, but you might want to consider going outside of easy-to-digest Western music.

When we're very young, our brains are still in the process of forming connections, so there may be benefits to being pretty experimental instead of staying "safe," in terms of what you give kids to listen to. From an interview with Daniel Levitin, a musician and neurologist:

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Musical taste can vary greatly from one person to another. But this shouldn't be a surprise. Not everyone likes chocolate, not everyone likes spicy food . . . the biology of aesthetics and taste isn't clearly understood. One thing we do know is that people in general like music that has something familiar. If you were born listening to Chinese Opera, which uses a separate set of scales that are foreign to Western listeners, it's very unlikely you'll suddenly develop a liking for Rhianna. And vice versa - we learn to appreciate those tonal structures that we're surrounded by as children, just as we learn to speak the language we're brought up with. If you're exposed to Janis Joplin and The Doors as a child, it doesn't mean you'll necessarily develop a liking for psychedelic music. But you'll have been exposed to 'Western tonal music,' the major scale. . . these are the foundation for classical, jazz, hip-hop, metal . . . all these use the same 12 notes. You may find you prefer one of these genres to another, but it's unlikely that you'll be able to make sense out of, say Indian ragas or Pygmy music, which are just as nuanced, complex and interesting (if not more so) but which depend on forms and structures that most of us haven't developed the neural circuits to understand.
In other words, it works unintuitively. Don't start with what you think is easy or basic and then try to expand her horizons. Start her off with a wide variety and let those neural circuits develop; hypothetically, she'd then be able to become more selective.

Just remember that what you think sounds familiar and intuitively kid-appropriate (from a musical standpoint, not a lyrical one) might actually be more restrictive than what a kid is capable of processing.

In short, Waits may not be so bad a choice, since, while his songs are rooted in Western traditions, they're pretty weird with all of the off-key singing and the crazy percussion. But, hey, maybe give crazy-sounding, non-Western stuff a try. It would definitely give her a world of alternatives beyond Hannah Montana, that's for sure (although you also can't underestimate the social aspects of pop music).
post #31 of 69
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She might be a little too old at this point, but you might want to consider going outside of easy-to-digest Western music.

When we're very young, our brains are still in the process of forming connections, so there may be benefits to being pretty experimental instead of staying "safe," in terms of what you give kids to listen to. From an interview with Daniel Levitin, a musician and neurologist:



In other words, it works unintuitively. Don't start with what you think is easy or basic and then try to expand her horizons. Start her off with a wide variety and let those neural circuits develop; hypothetically, she'd then be able to become more selective.

Just remember that what you think sounds familiar and intuitively kid-appropriate (from a musical standpoint, not a lyrical one) might actually be more restrictive than what a kid is capable of processing.

In short, Waits may not be so bad a choice, since, while his songs are rooted in Western traditions, they're pretty weird with all of the off-key singing and the crazy percussion. But, hey, maybe give crazy-sounding, non-Western stuff a try. It would definitely give her a world of alternatives beyond Hannah Montana, that's for sure (although you also can't underestimate the social aspects of pop music).
I'd love to get some specific examples of Waits stuff that you guys think might be a good match. The only stuff I can remember at the moment is the aforementioned Earth Died Screaming and 9th & Hennepin...it's been a while since I listened to any Waits for some reason. Although now I'm thinking that something like Rain Dogs might be interesting and non-inappropriate. And maybe Downtown Train. Again, hit me with some song suggestions.

I do feel like I'm starting this a little late. Like I said, we've listened to some kid-friendly stuff...but you're probably right that it's really safe, and definitely not broad-ranging musically.

There have been some excellent suggestions so far, and I hope people keep them up. I'm willing to put just about anything this side of Eminem (although I may try and scour his discography for *something* that isn't chock full of vulgarity...I really dig Mr. Mathers), just for the sake of introducing her to a varied selection.
post #32 of 69
Seriously, don't rule out jazz in ALL of its variations.
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Seriously, don't rule out jazz in ALL of its variations.
DEFINITELY. That's probably a fantastic way to expand her taste.
post #34 of 69
To that point, Bob Dorough, the guy who wrote most of the Schoolhouse Rock songs, has done some terrific jazz albums.
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Seriously, don't rule out jazz in ALL of its variations.
I'm not ruling it out at all, it's just not necessarily my thing. It's probably because related to the fact that I wasn't introduced to jazz at all until much later in my life, probably as late as high school, really...but I've never been able to "get" jazz, and I kind of tune it out because I don't understand it, and haven't spent the time necessary to *learn* to understand it.

This is a huge character flaw. I'm aware of that, and beg the indulgence of the jazz-loving community to overlook my monumental ignorance. I do want to introduce different genres to the mix, and so would be quite happy to get some song recommendations in the jazz arena. I've heard of Chick Corea, but wouldn't know where to start in finding a good couple of songs to include in the playlist.
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She might be a little too old at this point, but you might want to consider going outside of easy-to-digest Western music.
My 10 year old likes Johnny Cash because she loves stories.
My 4 year old loves Wichita Lineman (Dwight Yoakam version, actually).

But I still have a hard time imagining them getting into Tom Waits.
post #37 of 69
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There have been some excellent suggestions so far, and I hope people keep them up. I'm willing to put just about anything this side of Eminem (although I may try and scour his discography for *something* that isn't chock full of vulgarity...I really dig Mr. Mathers), just for the sake of introducing her to a varied selection.
If you need to start her on hip-hop--and I assure you, you need to start building up an immunity on this front too--any Beastie Boys from Hello Nasty onward is a perfect starter course, working her backward from Ill Communication, slipping in The Roots and The Fugees here and there along the way.

And Eminem's just an all around poor choice at that age, but it's hard to argue Lose Yourself as not being worthy of a listen once she gets acclimated.
post #38 of 69
The Cure.
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I've heard of Chick Corea, but wouldn't know where to start in finding a good couple of songs to include in the playlist.
Chick Corea had a mid 70s supergroup called Return to Forever that pretty much epitomized the Jazz/Fusion genre. The band featured Al Di Meola on guitar and Stanley Clarke on bass.

Recommended: 'Romantic Warrior'. It's a great entry point into the Jazz/Fusion genre.

Also recommended: Al Di Meola (solo albums) 'Elegant Gypsy' and 'Casino'. EG, in particular, is considered to be a landmark album in the Jazz/Fusion genre.
post #40 of 69
LM,

Wynton Marsalis did an interview on NPR's Fresh Air several years ago, that they reran just recently. I specifically remember one of the callers asking a question about which artists would be a good introduction to jazz for her child.

The only one I recall from the top of my head is the Louis Armstrong Disney album... but he listed several more. He also talked to fans of other genres, giving them pointers to artists they might dig.

The interview is wonderful, and offers a lot about how to "get started" into the jazz scene, if you're interested (it's about 30 or so minutes long).

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=3924319
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My 10 year old likes Johnny Cash because she loves stories.
My 4 year old loves Wichita Lineman (Dwight Yoakam version, actually).

But I still have a hard time imagining them getting into Tom Waits.
Yeah, I have no idea what the age cutoffs are for what Levitin's talking about.

Hypothetically, if you start a kid out on the Beatles, free jazz, Gregorian chants, and Chinese classical music, they won't naturally gravitate toward the Beatles just because it sounds most "familiar" to their ears. But at 4 and 10, they've probably already had plenty of exposure to Western music through TV and such, so they probably would. At that point, I suspect they have to train their ears to enjoy the unfamiliar stuff just like the rest of us do. But maybe they're still more malleable than we think?
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If you need to start her on hip-hop--and I assure you, you need to start building up an immunity on this front too--any Beastie Boys from Hello Nasty onward is a perfect starter course, working her backward from Ill Communication onward, slipping in The Roots and The Fugees here and there along the way.

And Eminem's just an all around poor choice at that age, but it's hard to argue Lose Yourself as not being worthy of a listen once she gets acclimated.
Oh yeah, Intergalactic from the Beasties would be great. This is all good stuff, people.
post #43 of 69
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Thanks very much, Judas and Summer...I'll make sure to add some jazz based on your recommendations.
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If you need to start her on hip-hop--and I assure you, you need to start building up an immunity on this front too--any Beastie Boys from Hello Nasty onward is a perfect starter course, working her backward from Ill Communication onward

And Eminem's just an all around poor choice at that age, but it's hard to argue Lose Yourself as not being worthy of a listen once she gets acclimated.
Seems wrong-headed to pick the white artist as hip-hop primer. Why not RUN D.M.C.?
post #45 of 69
Much as I love Run-DMC, their best stuff is such the product of the 80s, and I couldn't think of any other newer groups who were accessible, relatively kid friendly, but who were also still artistically relevant.

I almost mentioned Will Smith. After I stopped laughing and composed myself, I went with the Beasties.
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I think I heard it mentioned that the song on the Where the Wild Things Are trailer is Arcade Fire. Do you know the name of the song?
The song is "Wake Up," though the version in the trailer is different than the album version.
post #47 of 69
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There's a great Stax Records 50th anniversary set that can be gotten for cheap. Weed out some of the overtly sexual stuff and give her some Staples Singers, Rufus Thomas, etc. I'm making a CD for my niece for her birthday and putting some of that stuff on it.
Oh man, this. I ended up getting that big-ass Stax/Volt set that came out a while back, but I saw that Stax Records 50th set and almost bought it.

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She might be a little too old at this point, but you might want to consider going outside of easy-to-digest Western music.

When we're very young, our brains are still in the process of forming connections, so there may be benefits to being pretty experimental instead of staying "safe," in terms of what you give kids to listen to.
This is also a great idea. There are a few tracks from this duo that I can see kids loving.
post #48 of 69
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Seems wrong-headed to pick the white artist as hip-hop primer. Why not RUN D.M.C.?
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Much as I love Run-DMC, their best stuff is such the product of the 80s, and I couldn't think of any other newer groups who were accessible, relatively kid friendly, but who were also still artistically relevant.
I see no reason not to include Run-DMC. Especially that Christmas song they did...
post #49 of 69
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Kids love The Ramones!

The Motown stuff is a great intro into R & B. Can't go wrong with the Jackson 5.
Seconding the Motown stuff. It's danceable, fun to sing along with and just plain freakin' awesome.
post #50 of 69
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My 10 year old likes Johnny Cash because she loves stories.
My 4 year old loves Wichita Lineman (Dwight Yoakam version, actually).

But I still have a hard time imagining them getting into Tom Waits.
My one year old reacts very positively to Tom Waits and Leonard Cohen. She'll stop whatever she's doing and just listen or if it's an up tempo (Closing Time from Cohen particularly) number she'll dance.

LM, start your daughter off with Waits' early bluesy stuff if you want to be nice and safe. But you could also go with Mule Variations which will give you a nice mix of his blues stylings and more avantgarde instrumentation and vocals. What's He Building In There gets Miss K just about every time.
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