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Someone Must Stop Guitar Hero Before It's Too Late

post #1 of 41
5/7/09 at 11:55am
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Three new Hero games! Christ! http://chud.com/articles/articles/19...ATE/Page1.html
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post #2 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:05pm
Hmmm...DJ Hero, now that sounds like it could be a lot of fun. At the very least, it's opening up the musical choices and subsequently, filling my living room with a lot of toy instruments.
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post #3 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:09pm
Activision will kill the music game genre before any one can pull ahead of them in sales. I think it's a strategy.
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post #4 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:12pm
DJ Hero is just one step further Accordion Hero. Soon.

(Activision sucks so hard...)
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post #5 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:15pm
So is Guitar Hero: Van Halen still happening?
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post #6 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:18pm
Yep. According to Joystiq it is.
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post #7 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:24pm
am I the only one that sees DJ Hero as pretty stupid? Then again I'm sure to be hooked once I play the damn thing.
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post #8 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:29pm
No. No you're not.

Everything I would want out of a game like that, Frequency and Amplitude gave to me first. And Rock Band Unplugged's already giving me my long overdue dose of that.

From all I've read, all judgmental fingers may be directed towards one Bobby Kotick, forcing the studios under Activision's wing to pull a trademark Blazing Saddles "Number Six" on every franchise they've got.
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post #9 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:31pm
Thread Starter 
I don't know, it seems like it has potential. It could really go either way. The setlist will be important, as well as how much control we'll have over the songs.
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post #10 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:40pm
The dropping in and out of songs is a party thing - if you're playing a song and a dude walks in the room and wants in, this feature will let him join on drums a minute in. I don't know if that's a big enough advancement to warrant a whole new fucking game, but it's not a useless feature.
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post #11 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:41pm
How does Motown fit in with the idea of being a club DJ?
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post #12 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:42pm
I wouldn't mind a Frequency-style music game with a turntable controller, so long as it's implemented properly. I'm not that overly attached to the Sixaxis (or 360 controller) for music games. Sounds fun.
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post #13 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:42pm
Here's my big problem: Stuff like Rock Band, Guitar Hero, they exist to emulate the feeling of having an instrument in your hands, creating music for an audience, and you either win or lose based on how well you emulate that experience. DJing is either putting songs together in a way that pleases an audience, or arranging songs in a different way that presents a new vision and feel of what the original song was. In terms of gameplay, there's no way to quantify that on a points scale without having a true, human audience to judge your work, or just coming up with some quirky, esoteric bullshit involving the turntables, which just seems like it'd be awkward and/or boring as hell.

I could see a remix option being fun, but again, Frequency and Amplitude are way ahead of 'em.
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post #14 of 41
5/7/09 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
The dropping in and out of songs is a party thing - if you're playing a song and a dude walks in the room and wants in, this feature will let him join on drums a minute in. I don't know if that's a big enough advancement to warrant a whole new fucking game, but it's not a useless feature.
Come on, you can't finish the song? Unless you're playing Green Grass and High Tides is it that hard to wait a minute to jump on? I've never had that be a problem. The one feature I wish they could implement is a lock-out feature, where if you've played a song no one else can play it for the rest of the night. Make bar nights a helluva lot easier.
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post #15 of 41
5/7/09 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
How does Motown fit in with the idea of being a club DJ?
There's a practice called "sampling" you might have heard of. R&B and soul records are kind of crucial to the construction of most of the dance music that's been created in the past 20 years or so.

DJ Hero is the one that's supposed to have DJ Shadow and a few other cool names attached to it, so there's a good chance I'll have to give it a chance. I imagine it'll work similar to that PS2 game from a few years ago that had a similar controller-- it was pretty much the same idea as GH, but with different buttons, and a scratchy-scratchy fake turntable for flourishes.

Beatmania IIDX, that was the name. I know exactly one person who owned that one.
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post #16 of 41
5/7/09 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by El Gray View Post
There's a practice called "sampling" you might have heard of. R&B and soul records are kind of crucial to the construction of most of the dance music that's been created in the past 20 years or so.
I thought they were just trotting out already existing mixes that you just string together, not that they give you full songs from whenever and you mix them.
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post #17 of 41
5/7/09 at 1:27pm
I owned Beatmania and that controller. Fucking Konami and their verticle charts. And their shitty music.
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post #18 of 41
5/7/09 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I thought they were just trotting out already existing mixes that you just string together, not that they give you full songs from whenever and you mix them.
I don't know what they're doing, and I don't mean to be a dick about it-- my point is just that samples from soul music are key to dance music, whether it be just a single break (Amen break, Funky Drummer), or a whole song (see any hit single from the '90s by Ice Cube or Snoop Dogg).
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post #19 of 41
5/7/09 at 9:20pm
i'm only buying this if they put some serious Drum and Bass in there.


though, its going to make for some funny arguments from the people who bitch about guitar hero players not playing a real instrument.

DJ's have been having this argument with 'real' musicians for years.
But if Shadow is involved, Fuck yea!
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post #20 of 41
5/7/09 at 11:49pm
Like Rob and Gray pointed out, Konami did this three years ago with Beatmania. And that sold, like, 13 copies. I think the "Hero" brand will help this one sell a bit more but I can't imagine it will do that well. I gotta wonder how much you actually do in the game. Two buttons and what looks like a scroll-wheel or something (the red dealie)? Not a whole lot going on there.
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post #21 of 41
5/8/09 at 12:01am
Re: The title of this article-- You ain't kidding.
They need to make Keyboard Hero with a keyboard controller that has a whopping 5 keys. [/snark] Even with only 5 keys I'd still suck at it.
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post #22 of 41
5/8/09 at 12:29am
I remember buying 1 at West Ed years ago and my buddy making fun of me. It's interesting how large the cultural influence can be in so little time.
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post #23 of 41
5/8/09 at 1:07am
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I remember buying 1 at West Ed years ago and my buddy making fun of me. It's interesting how large the cultural influence can be in so little time.
Yeah, not to wax nostalgic about something four years old, but I asked for GH1 at GameStop the first week it came out. One of the clerks didn't know what I was talking about, and the other wasn't sure until he looked around the store and found one of the two or three copies stacked on the wall next to the PS2 accessories.

According to this Variety article, EA noted in its recent earnings call that music game sales are down 36% from this quarter last year. Yikes.
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post #24 of 41
5/8/09 at 2:32am
Activision has announced Guitar Hero: Van Halen. Talk about running this genre to the ground.
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post #25 of 41
5/8/09 at 2:49am
I look forward to them running out of decent acts until they start trundling out Guitar Hero: Nickelback and Guitar Hero: Dexys Midnight Runners
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post #26 of 41
5/8/09 at 3:32am
Activision eyes "Guitar Hero" TV series, tour
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LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) – The worldwide hit video game "Guitar Hero" could become a reality TV show and/or a real-life concert tour, people familiar with the discussions said Thursday.
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post #27 of 41
5/8/09 at 4:33am
Jesus fucking Christ, Guitar Hero has become Poochy.
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post #28 of 41
5/8/09 at 4:44am
I'm no business major, but I have trouble understanding the strategy of ramping up the brand as its sales go down. Mrdrow may be on to something. If they're not intentionally trying to kill the genre, then I don't know what they're thinking.
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post #29 of 41
5/8/09 at 5:41am
Getting as much financially out of what is really, just a modern day fad to rival the rubiks cube and hyper-colour t-shirts, before it gets consigned to the pop cultural garbage bin of the second half of the first decade of this century?
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post #30 of 41
5/8/09 at 9:22am
Diversifying and maximizing profit from niche sectors?
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post #31 of 41
5/8/09 at 9:39am
I like to think that sales are down because everyone owns Guitar Hero at this point.
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post #32 of 41
5/8/09 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by Count Floyd View Post
Yeah, not to wax nostalgic about something four years old, but I asked for GH1 at GameStop the first week it came out. One of the clerks didn't know what I was talking about, and the other wasn't sure until he looked around the store and found one of the two or three copies stacked on the wall next to the PS2 accessories.

According to this Variety article, EA noted in its recent earnings call that music game sales are down 36% from this quarter last year. Yikes.
Thing is, from everything I've read, Rock Band's still making EA a shit ton of money, and I can almost guarantee the reason it doesn't show in sales figures is because it mostly is from the DLC model.
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post #33 of 41
5/8/09 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by Doc Happenin View Post
I like to think that sales are down because everyone owns Guitar Hero at this point.
I don't, and to be honest everytime I think I'm going to cave and by it I end up not being able to justfy the cost to myself.

I'ts a great game to play socally but I don't think I'd play it to much on my own.
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post #34 of 41
5/8/09 at 3:55pm
I'm pretty happy with my copy of Guitar Hero II still. These latest offerings don't really grab me all that much.
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post #35 of 41
5/8/09 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
DJ Hero is just one step further Accordion Hero. Soon.

(Activision sucks so hard...)
http://www.theonion.com/content/news...sluggish_sales
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post #36 of 41
5/8/09 at 4:26pm
Just to throw a bit more out there, there are actually two DJ games in development: DJ Hero by Activision and Scratch: The Ultimate DJ.

Interestingly enough, Activision bought the company (7 Studios) that was developing Scratch and the publishers of that game are now suing saying Activision conspired to keep it from being released to reduce competition for DJ Hero.
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post #37 of 41
5/8/09 at 4:40pm
I have to say, I'd be interested in a GH: Van Halen, especially if the set list is good.
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post #38 of 41
5/8/09 at 4:48pm
I'd rather just have Van Halen's first album available for a download on RB.
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post #39 of 41
5/8/09 at 6:32pm
Well, they did confirm yesterday that it's DLR-only, no Van Hagar. So that's something. The "opening acts" listed in the article I read were Queen, Queens of the Stone Age, Weezer, blink182, and Offspring (blargh on the last 2).
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post #40 of 41
5/8/09 at 8:27pm
Goddammit, Guitar Hero! Stop preventing Queen from being in Rock Band!
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post #41 of 41
5/11/09 at 12:15am
I'd rather see Van Halen having DLC for RB than a full-blown game that bears their name. But Activision is trying to have as many bands made into a game so they won't appear in HMX's RB series.
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