STAR TREK Post Release Discussion: The Reboot - Page 3

Our trailers:
- Transformers 2 (some muttering)
- Year One (dead silence)
- Land of the Lost (dead silence)
- G.I. Joe (some muttering and laughter)
- Terminator: Salvation (pretty enthusiastic response)
I can't remember what the 6th one was.

Sure its got way to many lights, but this is Star Trek with dazzle, but its got a lot more going on in it then you average white cube pine topped tabled Apple Store. But just what in the hell are those two white things that look like joysticks with the red circles on the back? I kept waiting for them to be used the whole movie.

Anyways I think its a step in the right direction from here, which has military industrial complex written all over it.

The G.I. Joe trailer got one of the more bizarre reactions I've ever seen. As soon as the title appeared, half the audience clapped and cheered. The other half booed and yelled things like "Bullshit!".

A clunky engineering room that was so huge and sprawling in its design it couldn't possibly fit in the Enterprise. But I'm sure folks in the San Fernando Valley appreciate the power it generates for them.

I saw it last night and it was fantastic. I'm debating to seeing it again shortly cause I think I need to have it sink in to see how much I really like it. Plus, I'm kinda curious on some of the writing decisions regarding Nero. (basically, his Bond villainry - why would you maroon Spock Prime on a planet with a Starfleet outpost?)

When I saw it, there was literally no one in the theater but me and a handful of people scattered in the seats. It was a Cavs playoff game night.

It was the CONTENT of the Who episode that got me hooked, not the increased production value or flashy FX and if you had seen Blink then you would know that the episode could hardly be called extravagant. It was also the skill of the writing, direction and acting that made that episode a mini-masterpiece.

The new Star Trek is all flash with no substance as opposed to the original series which had to rely on their scripts and actors because they sure as hell didn’t have any money. There is a reason that people still love a cheesy 43 year old show with day glow sets and paper mache monsters.

Will this new Star Trek be as well remembered 43 year from now? I just didn’t see anything in this movie that was any different from any other generic sci-fi action movie that’s been made in the last 15 years.

In the original Enterprise design, Engineering was the entire lower hull of the ship. What I saw in the film could fit in that section of the ship.

My favorite thing about the whole "alternate timeline" story was Vulcan getting destroyed. If there's anything I want to see more of in the next movie, it's Spock dealing with the fact that he's a member of an endangered race. And I like that Old Spock is now stuck in this reality, with no way to get home, etc. That's a fun way to bring Nimoy back into the series if they want.

Really enjoyed the movie. I loved how each member of the cast got a moment, or a chance to make you like them. That's one of the things I liked most about Khan (or even Undiscovered Country), and I'm glad they brought that back, too.

The shout-outs were fun, even if they did feel a little shoe-horned in. Quinto's line about the improbable was probably my favorite. And I totally thought that they were going to give the "I am, and shall always be, your friend" line to Quinto near the end.

Needed more green Rachel Nichols.

My favorite scene was definitely the...Kobayashi Maru Test, with a very cocky Kirk, and equally shocked Federation Officers.

It's not only a reboot, but a much needed reboot to the ass for a franchise that had basically two options

A: Reinvigorate
or
B: Die

And I would have been perfectly happy with B, but a reboot film that energizes the franchise and perhaps drags it out of the doldrums it had long sunk into, yeah that's alright too.

It helps greatly that Abrams (who I've never been a big fan of really) doesn't treat the source material with rigid reverence but he didn't get all heavy-handedly wink-wink-nudge-nudge with it either.

Is it wrong that I wanted Eric Bana's Nero to succeed and destroy earth?

Liked the film. Like devin, I didn't like all the giant gaping plot holes. The characters and their interactions save this film. Really liked New spock and his story arc.
What amazes me is how little Eric bana had to do in the film, but still had such a forceful screen presence. Look forward to the next installment. Film needs mint money for that to happen.

I think it bears discussing how, in this version, Spock bangs Uhura and - after his dad's confession scene (very well acted moment by Ben Cross, by the way) - we have a Spock who will most likely embrace his human side and actually show emotions.

I'm very excited about the possibility of that. And I'm glad they made Uhura Spock's girl and not Kirk's. That way we can enjoy the exploits of Chris Pine having sex with more green ladies in the future.

Speaking of which, is it too much for me to fantasize about the existence of an Unrated cut in which we get to see the entire sex scene with Rachel Nichols? Is that okay? That doesn't make me a freak?

Erix, No that doesn't make you a freak at all. However, I am shocked that a hollywood studio wouldn't want to show Kirk, and the Orion at least, making out, as Most executives love to see Green...Backs.

Also makes perfect sense that Spock would be attracted to someone who wants him to embrace his human side just like his mother did.

Damn was that opening sequence with the birth of Kirk and the death of his father gripping. For all the noise my audience made all throughout the screening, there was utter silence during that.

Ben Cross was great in this as Sarek. He made the most of what little screentime that he had to pretty much banish Mark Lenard from my memory.

I was sort of hoping for a post-credit sequence of Admiral Archer's dog finally materializing somewhere.

I was hoping the dog would materialize in Archers lap, turned inside out like the baboon from The Fly.

That was amazing... And astonishingly poignant too. And then when the spectacular title card came out, I felt like cheering. I was like Fuck, yes! Then it was followed by a little kid driving a 'vette while listening to the Beastie Boys... But, the opening had been so good that I wasn't too bothered. At least the whole movie didn't have Kirk and Spock as little kids. Sound familiar?

I'm just staring at this marveling at how I can't cry blasphemy. You're actually making sense.

I have a feeling he'll show up in the sequel.

And, make no mistake guys, there WILL be a sequel. This thing is going to clean up like nobody's business. I don't know how many Trekkies there were at my theater, (to give you some idea, only my friend and I are the ones who couldn't stop laughing during the sequence involving Olson and the fact that he couldn't wait to kick some Romulan ass.) but Trek has never been very big down here. They were eating it up regardless.

And Ebert gave it 2 and a half stars but his readers, who tend to agree with him, have given it 3 and a half. People like this thing.

Michael Giacchino's fantastic score (especially that cue "Labor of Love") certainly helped. I'll admit it - got a li'l teary eyed during that.

Probably my favorite "little moment" during the film was when Kirk asking the old Spock if he knew his father and his answer.

I loved this scene, "only fire one, no need to waste ammo"

Damn man same here, once the title card came out I was like, "HELL FUCKING YES"

With the keys in his mouth! Right? RIGHT?!

Can anyone tell me what Spock Prime said as he observed the award ceremony from the balcony? I couldn't hear it.

I had fun with this. I wish I could love it more, but it's not that kind of movie. I pretty much go along with how most people felt about the movie (especially about the uninteresting villain). I am so very glad that I finally saw Wrath of Khan recently before seeing the Abrams movie. Despite the fact that I've never really followed Star Trek, it gave me the illusion that I was seeing these familiar characters brought to life by a fun new cast. When the Kobayashi-Maru test was brought up, I smiled. Greg Clark wasn't kidding when he said this movie was trying to be WoK.

Giacchino's score was glorious in parts, but other times I often didn't notice it. Very much like the MI3 score in a way. I'm also getting a little tired of an Abrams production milking some sad dramatic scene by muting the sound and letting Giacchinio do his thing. Lost (season 1, Charlie's near death), MI3 (Tom Cruise's near death), and Star Trek (Kirk's father's death death). I feel like you could literally interchange the score for each of those moments and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. And this seems to be the case only when Giacchino works with Abrams.

Of course, all is forgiven during the score for the end credits. Hahaha.

It was something like "Set thrusters to full." He was most likely remembering the first time the Enterprise put out with Kirk as captain.

I am so bringing a hanky to this.

Facebook status posted by a friend of mine who is a die-hard "Kirk is God" Trekkie:

I have to say, he's in the extreme minority of TOS fans I've talked to. Then again, he felt TNG was an affront to all things Trek, so he's a pretty out-there example.

Best gag for me: Spock's annoyed "Out of the chair" to Kirk.

'So THAT's her first na...'
'That is not your concern'

I was really surprised at the comedic timing that developed between the two actors.

That was a great bit Judas...

Dickson, your friend sounds like an extremist. Tell him to watch STV and "Spock's Brain" back-to-back non stop for 24 hours and ask him if he still hates this new movie after that.

Seriously though, I can see some die-hards having issues with some of the liberties Abrams took here. It's pretty out there if you really stop to think about it. No more Vulcan. Kirk and Spock each have dead parent issues. Spock has feelings.

But the fact is, the franchise needed this kind of boost if it was going to survive. You need new fans to keep a brand alive. The faithful certainly weren't enough to sustain it.

And they went all out with this. It's arguably the most super-charged, spectacular vision of Trek ever brought to the screen. I think even the most extreme fans will eventually come around. And they'll have to because this is what it's going to be for a while.

I'm a little surprised that Star Trek has recieved so much love here. I will agree that it's fast paced and I liked the new crew. But this is one glazed donut of a movie, tasty on the outside and hollow in the middle. Bana was so bad in this, and I know he didn't have a lot to do but his moments onscreen just mostly made me roll my eyes. The absence of a strong antagonist makes this movie extremely mediocre in my opinion.

I didn't really understand what the motivation of Nero's character was, either. Ok, his planet was destroyed. But then he finds himself sent back in time. Why not try and prevent the event from happening? Or at least warn his people to evacuate prior to the planet's destruction. Was that not an option? What am I missing here? After Nero's ship is sucked into the black hole, it seems he is seeking revenge on something that has not yet occured and could possibly be avoided. Is that not the case? Again, what am I missing?

And about that ship. It seems to be 10 times larger than any Federation ship and is virtually indestructable and has powerful weaponry. But its a mining vessel...? And 7 federation ships cant take this thing down when it's parked? Thats fucking convienient.

And what's red matter? Why is it so powerful? Is that the Rabbit's Foot? Thanks for the explanation. (I realize its a big fucking MacGuffin, but usually MacGuffins are talked about and never seen. The red matter is used and seen so much in this movie it should have had top billing.)

These are just a few of the problems I had. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but the script was a disaster, as some of you have said. Again, it's a good looking movie and the cast was great (except for Bana), but that story was putrid.

I was impressed with the subtleties of Zach Quinto's emotions (well, most of the time). Having only seen him as Sylar, I wasn't sure he could do more than smirk & sulk, but he was often able to convey a lot of emotion with just a look.

Hankies may be necessary for some people watching this. I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but I almost started crying more than once in this film. The opening sequence was the most tear-jerking (even when I knew how manipulative it was being).

The whole meeting/mind-meld scene between Kirk & Old Spock on Delta Vega was moving, too. When Spock said, "I have been, & always shall be, your friend," it got to me. After the mind meld ended, too, I was stuck by how overcome by emotion Kirk seemed. Possibly during that exchange he got a sense of how close he & Spock later became and it may have affected him. At least, that's what I got from Chris Pine's expression.

What the hell was up with Bana's delivery when he first speaks to Pike on the screen?

You mean the oddly casual greeting?

"Hey Chris"
I loved how Nero spoke to him.
After the film my friends and I where talking about the movie, some kid in a suit jacket with an old Trek shirt underneath decided to join us (we had no idea who the hell he was) the kid started going on and on about how in trek 3 and 4 they are in Vulcan but now since there was no Vulcan it made no sense! yea we ignored him...seems like he did not even pay attention to the movie he just watched.

Anyways, it's been said that some of Nero's absence during the 25 years were due to him in some Klingon prison. If that's the case how the hell was he captured given his ship was about 100 years advanced.
Plus during his escape he destroyed what? 40 some odd ships.

Bringing Admiral Archer into the sequel ties the show to Enterprise, the shittiest of the TV series. I'm surprised you guys wanted more reminders of that, not less. I thought the nod was funny, but I don't need a sequel dealing with the Temporal Cold War and all that shit.

I do I like the idea that the point of divergence begins with Kirk's birth in this universe, allowing them to draw on Federation/Trek history up to that point if they want to for a sequel. (i.e., Khan has still had his rebellion is around on the Botany Bay somewhere.) But there needs to be a line on nods to the old universe, and a Scott Bakula cameo would be it.

Nooj, the one "Abrams trademark" that made me roll my eyes just a little was the use of the Lost/Fringe font. I know that's such a nerdy, stupid thing to be picky about and it didn't affect my overall enjoyment of the movie, but a part of me was like "Oh, come on."

I loved that. I wish Nero had more unexpected moments like that.

I think in the deleted scenes it's explained that the ship was damaged by the double wallop of travelling through a black hole, and having a large starship rammed down its throat. At some point he is captured by the Klingons and kept on Rura Penthe until repairs on the ship are comlpete (I imagine it would take a loooooong time to repair 24th century tech in the 23rd century) and until Spock shows up. I think the implication in these scenes was that Nero has really gone mad, and isn't thinking rationally, hence his plan.

What I've read about the deleted scenes really makes me think that this may have been one case where the test audience should reeeeaallly been ignored. Hopefully they can reintegrate with seamless branching or some such brick-a-brack on the DVD/BD release.

Don't get me wrong; it made me laugh. Just threw me off a bit compared to how he acted in every other scene (snarling).

Absolutely loved it. Flaws and all. I had a massive, shit-eating grin of delight for most of the movie. Brillant.

Just got back, liked it.

Suffers from reboot syndrome, without a doubt, but not as much as I expected. My biggest fears, the handling of the time travel to shoehorn in Nimoy, were definitely allayed. While far from airtight, it was far from cringeworthy.

The problem is, as was the problem with the Friday the 13th reboot, is that without the forty plus years of material, without at least a passing knowledge of the characters, we would be picking apart the movie wholesale. It doesn't stand alone. There's more at stake here than in F13, much more, but if I had no idea who Kirk or Spock were, then I would be calling the script a complete disaster. On the other hand, if it wasn't for the years of material, it wouldn't exist, so I suppose it's a silly complaint.

How did Nero, a miner, even have knowledge of Spock's involvement with the problem on Romulus?

I know that it was stated that the majority of the fleet is elsewhere, but wouldn't there be something left to defend Earth against a threat? Nero just sails in unabated.

I'm very excited to see where they go from here. Like Devin (and many others) have said, let's bring in some new writers. And for the love of God, can we get a compelling villain for the sequel? Or at least give the villain something to do? Bana was wasted.

This maybe the first thing I've seen Karl Urban in where he was anything more than a huge personality void. He was great. Loved that one line, something about his wife getting all of Earth in the divorce settlement.

EDIT: Oh, and thanks filmmakers, for not pushing the reset button at the end. At least it felt like something was at stake.

Ugh, no kidding. Those titles alone give more credence to the "90210" mentality that many feared would be all over this film (thankfully it was mostly absent).

Again, I thought Giacchino's score was decent, occasionally great, but surprisingly underwhelming. Oh well.

That's one thing that has my inner Trek Geek screaming. If that was the divergent point, shouldn't everything before Kirks Dad and the Kelvin died look like it did in "The Cage" you know, simpler looking ships, etc. And How does Kirks dad dying change everything so drastically as far as the look of everything.

And I'd much rather have callbacks to Enterprise (which gets way too much hate) than to Voyager...which was shit.

Voyager was pretty bad, but the one-two of Enterprise and Nemesis is what killed the franchise.

Giacchino does the same kind of thing with the Lost ST track listings. "Booneral" and "Charlie Hangs Around" come to mind.

The Bakula was the only thing worth watching in that fucking show... So, seeing him on the big screen wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. I would welcome it, in fact.

Yeah... Jesus, what is he 11 years old? Did he come up with those himself?

The score, in and of itself, wasn't great. It wasn't bad. It did the job and, as mentioned the music cue during the introduction is terrific. But I'll have to see it again to decide if I like the "theme" that Giacchino composed for this movie or not.

I did like his newfangled take on the original theme song that played during the closing credits.

A hamdful of those look like names for "star trek" themed porno flicks, for god's sake.

I just saw a kid in a food court play with a happy meal Simon Pegg toy...universe implodes later day.

I see your Star Trek song listing and raise you......

1. Star Wars Main Title and The Arrival at Naboo – 2:55
2. Duel of the Fates – 4:14
3. Anakin's Theme – 3:05
4. Jar Jar's Introduction and The Swim to Otoh Gunga – 5:07
5. The Sith Spacecraft and The Droid Battle – 2:37
6. The Trip to the Naboo Temple and The Audience with Boss Nass – 4:07
7. The Arrival at Tatooine and The Flag Parade – 4:04
8. He Is the Chosen One – 3:53
9. Anakin Defeats Sebulba – 4:24
10. Passage Through the Planet Core – 4:40
11. Watto's Deal and Kids at Play – 4:57
12. Panaka and the Queen's Protectors – 3:24
13. Queen Amidala and The Naboo Palace – 4:51
14. The Droid Invasion and The Appearance of Darth Maul – 5:14
15. Qui-Gon's Noble End – 3:48
16. The High Council Meeting and Qui-Gon's Funeral – 3:09
17. Augie's Great Municipal Band and End Credits – 9:37

Total Time: 74:23