STAR TREK Post Release Discussion: The Reboot - Page 9

Do we even need to wonder why I don't remember a word that was being said?

DO NOT PUT IMPORTANT INFORMATION OVER A SCENE WITH TWO BEAUTIFUL WOMEN IN THEIR UNDERWEAR.

Aren't you really just supposed to take it as a joke, though?

Come to think of it...doesn't Spock have the coat on when he is captured and greeted by Nero? OK, that is REALLY stupid...

When he was in the ship, he was wearing some kind of robe thing on that was the same type of color. I guess he packed a whole wardrobe with the same color scheme before he left to stop the supernova.

And Nero let him take it? "Go pack for winter, Spock!" Dumb!

The audience in my theater got excited when Tyler Perry showed up in his one scene. I couldn't even recognize him (I've never seen any of his Madea films), had to look him up on imdb just to figure out what was all the commotion. I thought for a second maybe he was a cast member from a Trek TV series.

LENS FLARE LENS FLARE!

It was fun. The cast works, mainly Pine and Urban.
Spock Prime carries a lot of gravitas. I want more love for the Enterprise. This movie was all cast and barely any ship. The vessel needs to be treated with the same level of love as the cast!

Getting the band back together seemed really silly in execution. Time travel is dumb. Romulans can't design ships for dick. It seems that no one really gave a damn about the Vulcans anyway, in this crazy alternate dimension. Stunt guys sucked, Litmus was right about the Enterprise's nacelles, Chekhov was horrible.

Bones and Kirk, though, I thought were fantastic (Pine especially). Quinto's Spock worked for me because it's a different interpretation of the character - granted, the difference makes no sense given the 'alternate timeline' gobbledegook, but I liked the dynamic. It makes me wish they had had the balls to make it a legitimate reboot. As it is, we might get a pretty good sequel, and then it's back to the same lame Trek crap that's been shoveled out there for the last 2 decades.

Spock Primus irritated me, and it's the thing that has long been the problem I have with the classic trek setup. Why the hell would they send ancient assed Spock on a mission of galactic importance by himself? Oh hey, we're gonna go do some commando shit on this floating space drill, grab the pilot! I understand you want the crew to be involved, but having your ships ranking officers always dicking around in the most dangerous missions possible is THE Trek conceit that needed to be jettisoned. There are so many story opportunities and possibilities in creating tension between the Bridge Command and the Away team, but in order to wrap the story up in a silly continuity bow, we have Ancient Spock traveling through time and space and living in a fucking ice cave.

I still liked it a lot. Aside from the weak 'apple-eatin' Kobayashi trial, Kirk was great. I had always thought he beat the Kobayashi through some incredible stroke of cleverness, instead of outright cheating, but whatever.

Not defending the many holes in the script, but he drops off Spock. Spock WATCHES VULCAN DIE, then he's in the cave. Why's he in the cave? Because the planet is established as being RIFE WITH BIG MONSTERS. And Spock's been there for a few hours at most.

Not comparing, just saying. There are valid criticisms aplenty in this thread, but they're tossed liberally with a generous portion of "why didn't they shoot the horses?" type shit.

Also, the weather was shit. Spock seeking shelter didn't bother me that much.

Erhm, Wrath of Khan clearly states that he out right cheated.

It's possible that Spock was on his way to the outpost when he saw Kirk being chased and he was just setting up camp for the night.

That would have been funny. But I don't know if I'd trade it for Pine's FINGER GUNS.

The thing about Kirk doing the Maru is that how is he not cheating? He's not even hiding it. That's not clever. And Kirk is clever. You figure he would sell his solution or - as Dev said - go theatrical. Pine sells it a bit, but it's a cheap moment.

It is a contrivance, but for this particular film I was having such a good time with it at that point that it didn't derail the train for me.

The designs of the interior of the ship was weird. Some sections looked terrific and high tech, and in line with a "general look" of the entire ship. And then the engineer levels look like an abandoned factory in the middle of eastern europe.

Don't know how i feel about that. But hey, LENS FLARE!

Spock's line to Kirk in the cave makes it sound like fate was bound to bring them together. "James T. Kirk...how did you ever find me?"

I hate that.

Really, the only things that bothered me about this film was that Anton Yelchin was fairly terrible as Chekov and yeah, the engineering part of the ship looked low-rent as hell. Why not just give Scotty a wrench and turn him into Groundskeeper Willie?

I think that's because they were shot in an abandoned factory, Abrams or someone mentioned they wanted to go for a more industrial look to that part of the ship.

The best "Spock-Kirk" moment for me was inside future Spock's ship. "The chances of success are 4.3%" "It'll work Spock!"

That scene was great. And Quinto felt the best there.

The more i think about it, the more i love Pine here. I need to watch this again.

Ever see the engineering of a ship? It kind of looks like that. And Bub is right, those scenes were filmed in a factory and the local Anheuser-Busch brewery over here.

Yelchin's Chekov somehow sounded more retarded than Koening's Chekov, but I can't really complain. The character has always been near the bottom of my 'favorite crew member' list. He's the weird accent guy in the original movies and he's the weird accent guy here.

WTF else you gonna do with Chekov? I liked the shot of all the female crew members staring at him on the monitor when he was making some announcement.

So that Khan earwig that Pike has in his head - is it going to make him evil in the sequel, or is it going to eat up his brain to the point where he can only beep yes or no?

Spock's coat - I've heard it's very cold in space.

Those things only kill Paul Winfield.

Earwigs don't kill Paul Winfield. Paul Winfield kills Paul Winfield.

Fixed.

As far as tech and spaceship porn goes, I loved the phasers, and the reloading/recharging thing they did, and Spock's ship was the tits.

Pike didn't get an earwig. Didn't they stick that thing straight down his throat?

I always feel sorry for Paul Winfield in that scene. Captain Clark Terrell seemed like such a good man.

He got a mouthwig? It's the same sort of thing, that's all we're saying.

I thought they did a great job showing off the ship, especially during that beautiful shot where the ship rises above Titan with Saturn in the background. Hopefully they'll have a direct ship-on-ship battle in the next one and we'll get even more hero shots of the Enterprise.

I almost feel like I owe fleed an apology. Pretty much everything negative that's being said about Star Trek in this thread analogs to stuff I said about Wolverine in that thread. But I think Wolverine is awful while I think this is pretty great. May be I was too hard on Wolverine.

I also wonder how much a connection to the source material plays in to things. I've seen many Star Trek episodes and most of the movies and even performed in a musical version (in Spanish) but I've never felt a strong connection to Trek. On the other hand, the X-Men comics are my favorite superhero comics.

By the way, I loved Bruce Greenwood in this. With what little time he had in the movie to make an impression, he brought a warmth to the character, affability.

Star Trek is a charming movie, and certain elements deserve high praise. However, not one person on these boards have been hard enough on Wolverine.

And he got a promotion.

That first one. Nero giving Spock some winter clothes and maybe some Duraflame logs so he can see his planet blow up is dumb, but it's small peas and damn near acceptable compared to the film's bigger problems.

Edit: STAR TREK is almost like TRANSFORMERS where so many plot holes come and go that by the time you notice how the Decepticon chopper gets from the middle east to L.A. in 20 minutes, you're fine with that. Both movies seem to get a lot of free passes for still being fun.

I really hope that scene pops up on the DVD!

That was great. Cute. But not in an annoying way. I loved it.

Basically, yes. But I kind of like how, in this version, Old Spock is going to be Obi Wan/Yoda. In this Starwarsification of the Star Trek universe.

Hahaha...

I think the fact we're so thrilled to see Nimoy again in a big Star Trek movie excuses the relative clunkiness of this entire sequence. From his Reading Rainbow narration of the mind-meld to the very contrivance of him being there in the first place.

It's amazing what the movie gets away with on goodwill alone.

I really have a hard time seriously complaining about its "issues."

That said, Kirk hacking Reliant's shields to pull Enterprise's ass out of the fire in Wrath of Khan is a nice parallel to his (assumed) Kobiyashi Maru solution in the new movie.

I had no idea that Cameron from House was Kirk's mom. Abrams really did go for a lot of TV actors...

For a moment I thought she was a makeup-less pregnified version of Elisha Cuthbert. But then I noticed that Kirk's mom's performance wasn't bad.

Agreed. That moment made me grin like a loon.

Pike not only got fed a mouthwig and put in a wheelchair, at the end they dressed him in what looks like an outfit from ST: The Motion Picture. I'd be most upset about that, if I were him.

And there wasn't a cougar in sight.

For what little screen time they had, I thought Mama and Poppa Kirk did a good job.

Yea, for being prominently featured in what was probably the most emotionally effective moment of the entire movie, I'd say they did a great job. And as much as I don't like how Giacchino's score in that sequence is TOO reminiscent from similar moments in LOST and MI3, it certainly did its job.

I agree, great GREAT moment

I disagree. Hilariously cynically manipulative moment.

So are we gonna talk about poor Winona Ryder at all? It seems fairly obvious that she had some scenes cut. A chat with schoolboy Spock, yes?

You post that like it's a bad thing.

Seriously though, you Urban doubters need to check out Out Of The Blue. He might not have always gotten to choose the best jobs, but when he gets a good one he has the acting chops to nail it.


You make a nice point Nooj, it's similar to the reason I laugh my ass off whenever I see Bay use slomo helicopters or The Right Stuff style corridor walks. They're entertaining because they not only look stupidly cool, they're hilariously over the top.


I think you're dead right, in this case I fall into the majority experience. Plus I've heard enough of the discussion to know that Star Trek canon is rife with contradiction already, almost to the point of it being a tradition, so I hope the superfans can put their encyclopedias down for a second or two and take this new ride that JJ is offering, because holy cow is it a bunch of fun. The fact it's not perfect only means they have room to take this great iteration of the crew and develop and improve the story along more traditional Star Trek lines, and in doing so take this whole massive new audience with them.

I thought it was Keri Russell (Abrams' MI3, Felicity). I guess he likes that look.