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post #201 of 216
5/28/09 at 8:41pm
Calling Dragon Ma a troll isn't cool dude. I don't know if you woke up feeling seedy or something, but thats a bit out of line.
He's just saying it's an odd thing to get worked up over is all. I have zero negative consequences in my emotional or sexual life becauase of being circumsized so it's not really anything to rail against. I laugh at the idea of it being labelled "mutilation". Ive got a friend who is into scarification who is way more mutilated than my fresh and shiny, clean cut penis!
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post #202 of 216
5/28/09 at 8:47pm
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
So if all you're really doing is baiting me

Hey! No baiting in the Dolph Lundgren's Cock thread!
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post #203 of 216
5/28/09 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by OCallaghan View Post
Calling Dragon Ma a troll isn't cool dude. I don't know if you woke up feeling seedy or something, but thats a bit out of line.
He's just saying it's an odd thing to get worked up over is all. I have zero negative consequences in my emotional or sexual life becauase of being circumsized so it's not really anything to rail against. I laugh at the idea of it being labelled "mutilation". Ive got a friend who is into scarification who is way more mutilated than my fresh and shiny, clean cut penis!
I'm not saying Dragons a troll (too much respect for him for that), just pointing out that simply baiting someone over an issue they're obviously passionate about because you find it funny could qualify.

Mate I've explained why I'm passionate about it and whats getting me worked up about the issue, of course you have every right to disagree, but I'm not sure how to state where I personally am coming from on it any clearer.

You don't think it's a big deal, no probs - I gotta say, I do. Again, just because you don't personally have a problem with it having been done to you is not an argument that supports having it done to anyone else - and certainly not with the frequency that it is.
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post #204 of 216
5/28/09 at 9:49pm
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So if all you're really doing is baiting me since you find it funny surely thats the definition of trolling?

...and I'm passionate about it because it doesn't make sense in 99% of the cases in which it's done. I'm passionate about it because the aceepted unquestioned notion that the onus has to be on a person defending why it shouldn't be done rather than why it should is completely arse-backwards and retarded.

I'm passionate because there are still people my age and younger who would happily do this to their own sons, their own blood, for no better reason than seemingly 'that's what was done to me' or 'I don't want my son to feel different'.

It's an 'I feel like I'm taking crazy pills' moment.

I am not objecting to the procedure in the rare amount of cases where it is medically necassary (but guess what 'hygeine doesn't actually qualify under that banner), just in the 99% of cases where men are choosing to mutilate their sons thoughtlessly for no defendable reason.
I've always thought that people who cite 'hygiene' as a reason for circumcision probably don't keep themselves very well groomed. If you shower everyday and wash it then it's clean as can be.

Lets just say that I wouldn't put my mouth on something that didn't smell and taste good.
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post #205 of 216
5/28/09 at 10:02pm
It's probably been mentioned at some point in the thread, but I remember hearing or reading somewhere that one of the unspoken reasons for circumcision was to reduce the time the male had to spend fondling his genitals in order to clean them. More fondling, more temptation to make God cry. Hence, 'hygiene.'

Really really dumb.
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post #206 of 216
5/28/09 at 10:05pm
Maybe cut guys don't actually fathom how small an amount of time it takes to clean an uncut doodle.

Peel back foreskin.

Rinse.

The end.

It takes about three times longer to clean out my fuckin ears in the shower. Seriously
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post #207 of 216
5/28/09 at 10:13pm
I like the term 'cut guy', makes me sound dangerous.
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post #208 of 216
5/28/09 at 10:15pm
Or like you have wicked pecs and guns.
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post #209 of 216
5/29/09 at 12:21am
Using hygiene as an excuse to circumcise is hilarious; it suggests that keeping your john thomas clean isn't fun. It's really not that difficult, cut or uncut. Showertime rules.
This thread has done wonders for my ego. Because of it I have learned:
A: My wiener is larger than Dolph Lundrens.
B: It is awesome enough to have survived a mutilation.
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post #210 of 216
5/29/09 at 5:55am
Goddamn. The way some people are defending circumsion, you'd think Obama is threatening to take their circumcised penises away from them or something.

"Only from our cold dead lubed-up hands!"
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post #211 of 216
6/2/09 at 9:26pm
Ooohh how timely, from my local paper:

The 'cruellest cut' may also be illegal

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ONCE routine, now often thought unkind, the cut may also be illegal. Parental consent might not be enough to protect the circumcisers of baby boys from later legal action.

In a rare legal analysis of the medical procedure, the Tasmanian Law Reform Institute found that criminal and civil law lacked certainty, and that circumcision might abuse the rights of a child.

No specific laws currently regulate the removal of the penile foreskin in Australia, and there are few clear answers in general law, according to an institute researcher, Warwick Marshall.

"What is clear is that the current laws were not framed with male circumcision in mind," he said in an issues paper released yesterday.

About 12 per cent of newborn boys are believed to be circumcised in Australia, down from 90 per cent in the 1950s.

Routine circumcision is no longer performed in most Australian public hospitals. But, according to the institute, most practising Jews still consider circumcision to be a requirement of their faith, while Muslims are the largest identifiable group who practice circumcision today.

Concerns about the circumciser's legal position were first raised by the Tasmanian Children's Commissioner, Paul Mason, who referred the issue to the institute, based at the University of Tasmania's Law School.

"The whole subject of non-therapeutic circumcision on boys is so fraught with emotion and unreasonable assumption that it is hard to find answers to the most basic legal questions," Mr Mason concluded.

He found that the risks of circumcision included pain, surgical mishap or complications and decreased sexual pleasure. Among the claimed benefits were reduced chance of infections, and cultural or religious conformity.

The paper said the consequences of an ill-advised procedure could be horrendous: "Even if a court considers the physical loss following circumcision negligible, the social and psychological effects of a wrong decision can be devastating."

It said there were cases of suicide and attempted suicide by men forced to live with lasting complications of a circumcision performed on them as a child.

But for other men, the operation became an important part of their identity.

The institute said in law, circumcision might be considered an assault or a wounding. "There is uncertainty as to whether the consent of a parent for the circumcision of their child is sufficient to allow a circumciser to legally perform the procedure," it said.


http://www.law.utas.edu.au/reform
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post #212 of 216
6/2/09 at 9:39pm
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Originally Posted by The Age
The paper said the consequences of an ill-advised procedure could be horrendous: "Even if a court considers the physical loss following circumcision negligible, the social and psychological effects of a wrong decision can be devastating."

It said there were cases of suicide and attempted suicide by men forced to live with lasting complications of a circumcision performed on them as a child.
Give me a fucking break.

I can understand someone being screwed up by the physical consequences of a circumcision gone wrong - and forgive me for not going back through this thread or researching the numbers myself but how many times has that happened? - but the social and psychological effects?

My relationship with my dick has been an occasionally stormy one over the years - getting hard or soft at inappropriate times; the little head doing the thinking for the big head; the usual neuroses - but anyone contemplating suicide because they're missing their foreskin is clearly too fucking fragile to exist in the first place.

Disclaimer: I'm cut.
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post #213 of 216
6/2/09 at 10:36pm
I think the suicide and social reference was more for people who've had a botched circumsision Tommy. At least, thats how I read it.
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post #214 of 216
6/2/09 at 10:45pm
I see where you're coming from, Rain Dog, and it certainly could be interpreted that way. And there's no denying that living with a mangled penis could result in serious psychological fallout.

I guess I read terms like "ill-advised procedure" and "wrong decision" as pertaining to a traditional (and regretted) circumcision rather than a botched job - it didn't seem like it was referring to circumcisions gone wrong.

But that's The Age's piss-poor journalism for you. I'm really starting to dislike that paper. That's another story, though.
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post #215 of 216
6/3/09 at 12:27am
...and yet they're still the best on the block which really speaks to the quality of journalism in this country (or lack thereof) and how badly it's circling the drain. I blame Fairfax push to go onoine and it's tabloidification as a consequence, theprinted paper still has a basic shred of quality, but online it's becoming The Hun - but that is another story you're right.
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post #216 of 216
6/3/09 at 12:51am
The Age has just nose dived into shitfulness, particularly the last few months. It's still head and shoulders above the Herald Sun, but that's like saying runny shit is not as bad as the kind that has blood in it.

I've been looking educating myself on this issue thanks to this thread, and I must say it does seem like a pretty useless procedure. The broad I fancy said she is pro-cut dudes so I'm still not resenting mum and pop over that one, ultimately.
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