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I had cause to be in a church last weekend (a rarity these days, I assure you), and the thought that would germinate into this thread came to me. We see religion used as a scare device all the time in horror film. Which is kind of odd, when you think about it; religion was meant to explain the unexplpainable, & thereby provide some measure of comfort (a "logical" reason for & method of the creation of man & the universe, an afterlife, rewards for conforming to the faith's tenets, punishment for those who fail to do so, etc.). But there's no denying religious things can be scary as hell, and that's why they're used so much, from gregorian chants somehow being made to denote the demonic in "The Omen", to "Carrie's" mother's warped & sadistic fanaticism, to the creepy preacher-like Tall Man from Phantasm, to the Biblical plagues in "The Reaping", & so on.

So of course, I started wondering why this is.

I suppose in today's Western culture, it's mainly because most of us are raised in the practice of some faith or other, to some degree (for the vast majority of Westerners, that faith is some strain of Christianity). Many sects of Christianity are replete with horrific visions of the torments of hell, meant to scare impressionable youth straight. Be good, or else untold, unimaginable horrors & torments await you. Not that the fact they're unimaginable stopped them from laying all kinds of terrifying imagery on you, anyway; fire & brimstone, demons with pitchforks, eternal ice, etc. Having all that thrown at you as an impressionable child is bound to leave a mark for the rest of your life. Vengeance is Mine, sayeth The Lord, indeed.

But there may be an older root cause as well. I imagine the following is downplayed in today's culture, but some societal collective memory no doubt remains, even if we're not conscious of it. I posit that religions, Christianity in particular, and even more so Catholicism, had huge amounts of political power back in the day, & used it to horrific effect. Stuff like The Crusades (murder, rape & pillage in an incredibly barbaric and mindless manner, by the Grace of God, Amen), the inquisition (torture thousands to death for their failure to believe in Thee, O Lord, in the manner we say is best, through the mercy of God, Amen), to witch hunting (any woman that floats is a witch, any woman that sinks is a well disciplined witch, Amen) had to strike terror into the hearts of even the faithful, who saw things like this and said to themselves "I sure as hell hope no one ever denounces ME."

I read an article in an old issue of Newsweek that said the Catholic mass used to contain a passage wherein the priest led the congregation in a prayer for the conversion of the Jews, who were (without said conversion) destimed to hell as a race because of their role in the killing of Christ. This appeared in the mass until the late 1960's, when it was done away with as a result of the Second Vatican Council's reforms. Think about that, for a minute. The largest sect of Christianity in the world, and the religion with the most power & wealth, preached thinly veiled hatred & presection against the faith it stemmed from for almost 2,000 years. This & the fact nut jobs like Mel Gibson's dad want to bring this stuff back are pretty fucking scary.

So I guess my point is that we fear religious fanaticism on screen not only because of the torments of hell their preachers promise, but because the preachers themselves, as well as those they inspire, can be violent & dangerous, holding their fellow man up to an impossible to meet standard, finding all but themselves unworthy of anything but death.

Now, I also have a question for those familiar with non-Western cultures. Do the religions of other cultures figure into their horror fiction in a similar manner? Is J-Horror influenced in some degree by a perversion of ancestor worship similar to the perversion of Christianity we see in the West? Are there Isreali-made horror films with tenets of Judaism exploited in the same fashion? Ours can't be the only religious culture vulnerable to corruption & fanaticism, resulting in violence & intolerance. But are we the only culture that points up, whether consciously or not, these frightening facets of our dominant religion in our macabre fiction? If so, why do you suppose that is?
post #2 of 27
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I read an article in an old issue of Newsweek that said the Catholic mass used to contain a passage wherein the priest led the congregation in a prayer for the conversion of the Jews, who were (without said conversion) destimed to hell as a race because of their role in the killing of Christ. This appeared in the mass until the late 1960's, when it was done away with as a result of the Second Vatican Council's reforms. Think about that, for a minute. The largest sect of Christianity in the world, and the religion with the most power & wealth, preached thinly veiled hatred & presection against the faith it stemmed from for almost 2,000 years. This & the fact nut jobs like Mel Gibson's dad want to bring this stuff back are pretty fucking scary.
That's a total misrepresentation of the the prayer that used to be said in the old rite for Good Friday. It was said once a year and it was a prayer for conversion of the Jews, it said nothing about condemning them to hell because "they" killed Christ.

You are either remembering the article really badly or you read something that was very wrong.
post #3 of 27
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They didn't quote the prayer word for word, but the point of the article (the subject of which was how it appears Pope Benedict seems to be trying to reconcile the mainstream Church with extremist elements) was that the sentiment that Jews were condemned to hell was at least paid lip service in the prayer in question, until much needed reforms did away with it. The author feared that cozying up to extremists might make things like that start to reappear.
post #4 of 27
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But there's no denying religious things can be scary as hell, and that's why they're used so much, from gregorian chants somehow being made to denote the demonic in "The Omen", to "Carrie's" mother's warped & sadistic fanaticism, to the creepy preacher-like Tall Man from Phantasm, to the Biblical plagues in "The Reaping", & so on.
This is what really gets me when religion is used in horror. For me.. demons, Biblical plagues, Japanese women with long black hair, unstoppable dream-stalking slashers, monsters, ghosts and whatever else will never be on the same level of scary as those insane religious nuts - because frankly, those other things are all fantasy bullshit. Carrie's mom, Mrs. Carmody in The Mist.. there could be one in your community, one in every community; last I checked I don't live next door to Pumpkinhead.

There's plenty to be terrified of in just those 2 examples. Carrie's mom, the religious wack-job who sadistically tortures her own daughter both mentally and later physically (well, tries to get her murder on more specifically) - whats not to be disturbed by? She's utterly irrational, immune to sense talking or pleading, blinded by devotion enough to murder her own daughter; how many real life instances have we heard of people murdering their families because God told them to, or they thought the Devil took over their bodies? This isn't a 6'2 bodybuilding, formerly-drowned, teleporting retard at a specific camp ground; this is an "average" (certainly not mentally) suburban mother, this could be YOUR mother with a bible and a screw loose.

And Mrs. Carmody, a total zealot who ends up in a position of supreme influence over a large group of others whom she eventually incites into a bloodthirsty and irrational mob. Now, this is sort of a personal bias/fear because theres something inherently terrifying about the whole mob-mentality, being the only sane/rational/human/x person being hopelessly overwhelmed (see: zombie films, Body Snatchers, etc) by the population. But match that up with a scared, power-mad, blood-thirsty Old Testament style reglious fanatic and you have the makings of a very uncomforting, yet believable horror experience. That shit happening in the store was far more terrifying than anything lurking in the mist.

Of course, that's just me.

As always Iggy, great post and keep the horror food-for-thought coming!
post #5 of 27
Mrs. Carmody is one of the best movie villains of the decade. Up there with Chigurh.
post #6 of 27
This is why I always had a soft spot for Servants Of Twilight and, now, Maurice Devereaux's End Of The Line:




*****SPOILERS FOR BOTH*****


amid all the sturm und drang of wailing, screeching regilious fundamentalists like Mrs Carmody (a character who is as incredibly powerful as she is, admittedly, unsubtly rendered): what if all the sadistic, hysterical religious fanatics were actually right all along? End Of The Line is a terrific lo-fi exploration of this within a standard exploitation picture.

I find that a quietly satifying narrative device (from completely agnostic, yet always historically intrigued POV). (I divorce this from the odious and sneering "TOLDJA!" of the Omega Code/Left Behind nonsense of course...)
post #7 of 27
I almost thought you were repeating yourself, Ig, till I read the post. Coincidence that I just watched Vincent Price's WITCHFINDER GENERAL recently?

Religious fervor to the point of violence is scary stuff. In the case of Christianity (Inquisition, etc), leaders have twisted the teachings for their own bloodlust and quest for power for centuries. Some great cinematic examples have already been covered in this thread.

What about the flip-side? THE WICKERMAN? TEMPLE OF DOOM? END OF DAYS? Lovecraft? Cults with their hoods and robes, their torches, their secret meetings, their human sacrifice. Much of these type of tales are based on real events and not just imagination or propaganda to scare the kids away from "hedonistic hippie ways". A cult is basically defined as a religion which society opposes, or one that is kept secret from the society in which it exists. The idea that evil people are up to some dastardly stuff (AND organized) gives me the willies and probably why I don't trust polticians.
post #8 of 27
Religion is such a powerful, rich vein of thought that touches the most primal aspects of the Human Condition, and thus a natural theme for horror to play off of.

1) Religion tells us what happens after we die. In a horror story (film, novel whatever) we get either some variation of the Bad Death, or worse the possibility that there is an afterlife and it sucks! See: Zombies, vampires, ghosts. There is a natural convergence between the themes of the Horror story and the questions religion seeks to address

2) Organized religion historically was the center of Western Civilization. Horror stories tend to subvert the Establishment (esp in the 1970's when it seemed every horror novel featured a corrupt priest). The idea that the pastor you and your family knew for decades was a Satanist on Saturday night was horrific by itself

2a) In the 20th century, the prospect of a universe without any organizing principle, and no God especially, was a theme that appears throughout literature and the Arts. HP Lovecraft I think epitomizes the horror of learning that there is no God, that what degenerate humans are worshiping is really just another life form that is more advanced than us, and that Chaos is the fundamental principal of the Universe.

3) Christianity posits an "Enemy". A great many horror stories play off the idea of Satan winning, or the guy really in charge.

4) Paganism does not get off the hook. How many horror stories play off the hero encountering Pagan cults who do Bad Things ? (see Wicker Man; the real one with Christopher Lee). A lot of that is the result of centuries of Christian propaganda, but at Carthage archeologists have found mass graves that prove that human sacrifices were common in many pagan communties.

5) Finally, a fundamental tenant of Christianity is that Nature is subservient to Man, that Man has dominion over the "Beasts in the Field" . Many Horror stories subvert that as well. Frankenheimer's Prophecy, Godzilla, The Bird, The Ruins all show Nature striking back at Man (in revolt?) or show that Man ain't all that.
post #9 of 27
Trejo pretty much nails it - the fact there ARE folks like Mrs. Carmody and Carrie's mom (and that Stephen King nails both their characters) out there is far more terrifying than any Friday the 13th flick. Thing is, there are folks like that in pretty much every religion; people who are so sure they've got a lock on teir deity, and their way is the only way to the afterlife, that they become even more terrifying when they accumulate a power base. Once they accumulate power, the corruption kicks in - both characters wind up violating "Thou Shall Not Kill", but figure they're justified because they're doing God's will. The hypocrisy of their actions proves there's no reasoning with them on any level. And if you can't reason with them, they become that much more terrifying.

I'm reminded of Christian Slater in Julian Po (swipe for spoilers, if you haven't seen it, and shame on you if you haven't): his character goes into a small town with the intention of killing himself, which makes him a bit of a celebrity amongst the locals. He finds Robin Tunney who gives him a reason to live and love again. She falls for him so badly that she kills herself to be with him on the "other side", without finding out he's changed his mind about suicide. Heartbroken, he tries to leave, but is more or less trapped in town by the locals who insist he follow through with his earlier plans, as they've gotten their expectations built up. The ending was pretty creepy - bunch of folks escorting Julian Po around town, waiting for him to kill himself.
The film is horrifying that an entire town can get swept up in something so much that rational thought and compassion falls by the wayside.


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As always Iggy, great post and keep the horror food-for-thought coming!
I concur!
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This is what really gets me when religion is used in horror. For me.. demons, Biblical plagues, Japanese women with long black hair, unstoppable dream-stalking slashers, monsters, ghosts and whatever else will never be on the same level of scary as those insane religious nuts - because frankly, those other things are all fantasy bullshit. Carrie's mom, Mrs. Carmody in The Mist.. there could be one in your community, one in every community; last I checked I don't live next door to Pumpkinhead.
I do. Nice guy. Gets a little weird around Halloween. Never offer him dessert at Thanksgiving.
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On topic, I've been trying to get to the heart of this matter myself, Ig. I'm working on a script about a small town in New England that lives in fear of a demonic Puritan. Where I'm getting tripped up is that the hero is a Jesuit priest who hunts demons. Trying to balance the good religion versus the bad religion is tricky. We are so programmed to mistrust the religious in horror movies I'm having a helluva time making the priest a good guy.

I think Trejo has come the closest to nailing it.
post #12 of 27
BTW, to go off on a tangent to Cylon's post: y'ever notice that you usually don't see too many monsters stop in their tracks, turn, and run from a priest (barring the Exorcist and the occasional vampire)? They always seem to get their asses handed to them. And why is it always priests? We need a heroic nun, Muslim cleric, or a rabbi that saves the day - something that shows if you honestly are good and faithful, evil ain't got a chance. Just for a change.

ETA: Ryan, can't wait to see your flick! Go Jesuit priest!
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but figure they're justified because they're doing God's will. The hypocrisy of their actions proves there's no reasoning with them on any level. And if you can't reason with them, they become that much more terrifying.
Paxton's FRAILTY comes to mind.
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y'ever notice that you usually don't see too many monsters stop in their tracks, turn, and run from a priest (barring the Exorcist and the occasional vampire)? They always seem to get their asses handed to them. And why is it always priests?
But, but... He "kicked ass for the Lord"!
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Paxton's FRAILTY comes to mind.
Well, another movie I haven't seen and must check out, being the witless imbecile I am. Thanks, Darkmite!

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OK, this I have no excuse for - I should've remembered that one. Bad, Timmy! Bad, bad, Timmy!
post #15 of 27
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*****SPOILERS FOR BOTH*****


amid all the sturm und drang of wailing, screeching regilious fundamentalists like Mrs Carmody (a character who is as incredibly powerful as she is, admittedly, unsubtly rendered): what if all the sadistic, hysterical religious fanatics were actually right all along? End Of The Line is a terrific lo-fi exploration of this within a standard exploitation picture.
This something that I thought when I first watched The Mist. What if they went there? What if she was right and all this was really God exacting his punishment on mankind for its sins? Sort of a more extreme case of the twist in Frailty.

I may have to seek out this movie you mention.
post #16 of 27
For those of us that are religious, it reminds us of Paul's quote:

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

That there are worse things out there than religious nuts, there're those pulling their strings.
post #17 of 27
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That there are worse things out there than religious nuts, there're those pulling their strings.
Earthly or otherwise?

I find that for the most part, films lay off the idea of God Himself being terrifying in his wrath & power, cleaving instead to the concept of an overzealous & incorrect interpretation of His teachings by a misguided human worshiper. I once had a dream about the former theme, and thought it would be a good idea to base a story on it (in a nutshell, I was in a church with some other people, who were hell bent on stealing some item of gold from the altar; as one of them laid his hand on the gold item, he was utterly obliterated in a spray of multi colored sparks, representing God's righteous retribution). Not to make God scary because he's evil, per se, but because He's the ultimate power in the universe, and no puny human can withstand that power unleashed & directed at him. But that'd be a risky story to write. The backlash from religious true believers would be tremendous. To my knowledge, no movie has done this (except maybe The Reaping, which I haven't seen yet).
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On topic, I've been trying to get to the heart of this matter myself, Ig. I'm working on a script about a small town in New England that lives in fear of a demonic Puritan. Where I'm getting tripped up is that the hero is a Jesuit priest who hunts demons. Trying to balance the good religion versus the bad religion is tricky. We are so programmed to mistrust the religious in horror movies I'm having a helluva time making the priest a good guy.

I think Trejo has come the closest to nailing it.
I may be wrong about this, but I believe the Jesuit order rejects the existence of the devil. They believe evil stems solely from man's frailty in succumbing to temptation. I think that's why Blatty chose a psychiatrically trained Jesuit for the Father Karras character in The Exorcist; this guy had 2 strikes against believing in Satan or demonic possession going in, but faced with the overwhelming evidence, was forced to change his tune & become a "true" believer. In any event, you may want to check on the accuracy of my above statement; it could affect your choice of orders for the protagonist, or at least why he's the Jesuit exception.
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Not to make God scary because he's evil, per se, but because He's the ultimate power in the universe, and no puny human can withstand that power unleashed & directed at him.
Especially Nazis. The INDY flicks don't pull punches with the religious horror.

"Lightning. Fire. The power of God or something..."

post #20 of 27
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Can't fucking BELIEVE I forgot Indy!

"He has chosen. . .poorly."

(Sigh) Yet another idea somebody beat me to.
post #21 of 27
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Earthly or otherwise?
Both. Earthly evil is pretty much covered in this thread. The otherwise would be why films like Fallen scare the piss out of me.

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I find that for the most part, films lay off the idea of God Himself being terrifying in his wrath & power, cleaving instead to the concept of an overzealous & incorrect interpretation of His teachings by a misguided human worshiper. I once had a dream about the former theme, and thought it would be a good idea to base a story on it (in a nutshell, I was in a church with some other people, who were hell bent on stealing some item of gold from the altar; as one of them laid his hand on the gold item, he was utterly obliterated in a spray of multi colored sparks, representing God's righteous retribution). Not to make God scary because he's evil, per se, but because He's the ultimate power in the universe, and no puny human can withstand that power unleashed & directed at him. But that'd be a risky story to write. The backlash from religious true believers would be tremendous. To my knowledge, no movie has done this (except maybe The Reaping, which I haven't seen yet).

That's one of the reasons Frailty worked so well for me. You get to see the "vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord" side of the God, and it is a fearful sight.
post #22 of 27
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And Mrs. Carmody, a total zealot who ends up in a position of supreme influence over a large group of others whom she eventually incites into a bloodthirsty and irrational mob. Now, this is sort of a personal bias/fear because theres something inherently terrifying about the whole mob-mentality, being the only sane/rational/human/x person being hopelessly overwhelmed (see: zombie films, Body Snatchers, etc) by the population. But match that up with a scared, power-mad, blood-thirsty Old Testament style reglious fanatic and you have the makings of a very uncomforting, yet believable horror experience. That shit happening in the store was far more terrifying than anything lurking in the mist.
Not trying segue too much into another area but you've pretty much nailed on the head what I loved about the zombie and body snatcher (shape shifting) flicks. I think The Mist does a better job of taking what I loved about the original Romero Dead trilogy to the next level than any of these modern-day zombie genre films. The flicks that showcase a society without order are always some of my favorite.
post #23 of 27
Thinking about Christianity in general, it's a blood-based religion. That imagery is a pretty strong one. The scourging and crucifying of Jesus, the sacrifice. It's no wonder that the horror genre has latched onto biblical (and apocryphal) themes like demon-possession, stigmata, fire & brimstone, and the like. Stuff is creepy.
post #24 of 27
I think you can add Kevin Smith's 'Red State' to the list if he ever gets it made. Isn't it supposed to be about an evangelical Preacher?
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I may be wrong about this, but I believe the Jesuit order rejects the existence of the devil. They believe evil stems solely from man's frailty in succumbing to temptation. I think that's why Blatty chose a psychiatrically trained Jesuit for the Father Karras character in The Exorcist; this guy had 2 strikes against believing in Satan or demonic possession going in, but faced with the overwhelming evidence, was forced to change his tune & become a "true" believer. In any event, you may want to check on the accuracy of my above statement; it could affect your choice of orders for the protagonist, or at least why he's the Jesuit exception.
Jesuits don't have a formal "we don't believe in the devil" decree, however you shouldn't be surprised if your average Jesuit is skeptical to that idea. They're among the most academic (I believe their studies are like 12 years) of the religious orders, and even your average "secular priest" will probably be in the same camp anyways.
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This something that I thought when I first watched The Mist. What if they went there? What if she was right and all this was really God exacting his punishment on mankind for its sins? [/COLOR].
I think I remember reading somewhere that Darabont actually had that possible reading of the film in mind, for example that the mist resides after Tom Jane's character shoots his son. It's certainly a terrifying proposition
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Earthly or otherwise?

I find that for the most part, films lay off the idea of God Himself being terrifying in his wrath & power, cleaving instead to the concept of an overzealous & incorrect interpretation of His teachings by a misguided human worshiper. I once had a dream about the former theme, and thought it would be a good idea to base a story on it (in a nutshell, I was in a church with some other people, who were hell bent on stealing some item of gold from the altar; as one of them laid his hand on the gold item, he was utterly obliterated in a spray of multi colored sparks, representing God's righteous retribution). Not to make God scary because he's evil, per se, but because He's the ultimate power in the universe, and no puny human can withstand that power unleashed & directed at him. But that'd be a risky story to write. The backlash from religious true believers would be tremendous. To my knowledge, no movie has done this (except maybe The Reaping, which I haven't seen yet).
It's not just the backlash, but the logical inconsistency with most monotheistic conceptions of God. Omnipotency doesn't lead to many story possibilities. Your story would basically have to establish its own rules or play dumb to make this work (or only allude to this power, a la Raiders). Basically, there aren't scares to be had if the humans in the story don't have any chance or only have a chance at the expense of plausibility within an established framework.

Although there are probably quite a few possibilities with a Gnostic view of the universe, which could involve a mad god-as-creator scenario (albeit with another level or two in the theological hierarchy). And certainly polytheistic systems would offer plenty of story possibilities.
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