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post #1 of 44
5/13/09 at 11:47pm
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What the fuck? Why? Do you like money more than not being patronized by old white guys?
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post #2 of 44
5/13/09 at 11:48pm
the hell?

whats next? a thread on Gay Republicans?
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post #3 of 44
5/13/09 at 11:52pm
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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick View Post
Gay Republicans?
A. Band name.

B. The first one of these I meet gets punched in the face on principle. If they're that fucking stupid they have it coming.
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post #4 of 44
5/13/09 at 11:56pm
There's a punk band from Indianapolis called Gay Black Republican


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post #5 of 44
5/13/09 at 11:56pm
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Originally Posted by Jakespeare View Post
A. Band name.

B. The first one of these I meet gets punched in the face on principle. If they're that fucking stupid they have it coming.
well yeah, we are playing the game of "things that don't exist" right?
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post #6 of 44
5/13/09 at 11:57pm
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Originally Posted by Hanzo Steel View Post
There's a punk band from Indianapolis called Gay Black Republican
wow, i live in Indy and never heard of them...ha..
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post #7 of 44
5/13/09 at 11:59pm
I'm friends with a couple who are gay Republicans. Being conservative trumps cocksucking, apparently. I told them George W would have them deported if he could.
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post #8 of 44
5/14/09 at 12:27am
It's called prioritizing principles; you join the party that meets most of your needs. If you support Republican economic and foreign policy, and that's more important to you than affirmative action or being able to marry your same-sex partner, you join the Republican party. What's so confusing?
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post #9 of 44
5/14/09 at 12:56am
The Black Republicans was the original band name of the Afghan Whigs.
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post #10 of 44
5/14/09 at 1:15am
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Originally Posted by nekkerbee View Post
It's called prioritizing principles; you join the party that meets most of your needs. If you support Republican economic and foreign policy, and that's more important to you than affirmative action or being able to marry your same-sex partner, you join the Republican party. What's so confusing?
Nothing; I get it. My friends are just so fucking glassy-eyed and lockstep about it. Republican as sports team.
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post #11 of 44
5/14/09 at 1:40am
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
What the fuck? Why? Do you like money more than not being patronized by old white guys?
Religion
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post #12 of 44
5/14/09 at 2:19am
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
What the fuck? Why? Do you like money more than not being patronized by old white guys?
Maybe they don't want to be patronized by old white Democrats who "think" they're tolerant.

Or they could also find it pretty offensive that because of their ethnicity other people like to tell them what party they should belong to.
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post #13 of 44
5/14/09 at 2:27am
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
What the fuck? Why? Do you like money more than not being patronized by old white guys?
I feel like a Black Republican, money I got comin' in
Can't turn my back on the hood, I got love for them
Can't clean my act up for good, too much thug in 'em
Probably end up back in the hood, I'm like "Fuck it then"

I feel like a black militant takin' over the government
Can't turn my back on the hood, too much love for them
Can't clean my act up for good, too much thug in 'em
Probably end up back in the hood, I'm like, "fuck it then"
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post #14 of 44
5/14/09 at 8:26am
Okie dokie.
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post #15 of 44
5/14/09 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Maybe they don't want to be patronized by old white Democrats who "think" they're tolerant.

So they'd choose to patronised by those that definitely aren't tolerant? I know you were going for "snotty retort", but that just makes no sense whatsoever.
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post #16 of 44
5/14/09 at 10:28am
God, shut up, Jake.
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post #17 of 44
5/14/09 at 10:54am
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I was just wondering why this guy on the bus was calling Obama a "house nigga" and talking about how if Palin was president none of this would be happening, but I guess he was just crazy.
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post #18 of 44
5/14/09 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by Ian View Post
So they'd choose to patronised by those that definitely aren't tolerant? I know you were going for "snotty retort", but that just makes no sense whatsoever.
What I'm going for is that a lot of people are very aware that there are racist in both parties, and some of the policies that are touted as more tolerant for minorities might not be appreciated by them (affirmative action is a good example).

I think it's kind of offensive to derive what ideology people should subscribe to based on race. Of course the Republican party hasn't done itself any favors in the side of recruiting minorities, but people shouldn't discount that minorities have (gasp) diversity of opinion just like every other human on the planet. And to be surprised by that or alarmed by it is highly offensive.
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post #19 of 44
5/14/09 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by Joe LeFors View Post
God, shut up, Jake.
The core of the Republican Party - the millions-strong base - is informed by racism, homophobia, and religious zealotry. This is a fact. What's your problem with Jake's question? If you are black, gay or aetheist, and you tacitly support a Party which utterly abhors you, you are a fucking chump. Or a spineless, witless tool who only votes Republican because Daddy and Granpappy did.

It has become indefatigably clear over the last 8 years that the Republican Party has evolved* into an anti-intellectual, bigoted cabal of greedy, self-serving morons personfied in shrill, repellent mouthpieces like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Beck etc. Honestly, and I realise this is a pretty stark view - if you support a party that did what it did over the last 8 years, and stands for what it stands for today, you need to take a long, hard look at yourself.


*apologies - Has been Intelligently Designed into...
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post #20 of 44
5/14/09 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by Ian View Post
So they'd choose to patronised by those that definitely aren't tolerant? I know you were going for "snotty retort", but that just makes no sense whatsoever.
You don't get it. The ones calling for an end to affirmative action programs and raise hell about welfare queens actually love black people and want them to reach their full potential. It's just tough love. The liberals though, they're the ones who really don't like them. That's why they want to coddle and bribe them so they'll get lazy and they can never rise to be proud and strong.
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post #21 of 44
5/14/09 at 11:04am
I see, so it's not even a choice for a minority to not be pro-affirmative action. Gotcha. What else should we believe or not believe?
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post #22 of 44
5/14/09 at 11:21am
I don't get it. Does anyone really think that there are people who 'made something of themselves' without standing on someone else's shoulders? In my mind what this stuff does is merely give someone with no help a base he can build on. It's up to them whether they will. What's so bad about that?
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post #23 of 44
5/14/09 at 11:30am
It depends no what you understand as "affirmative action" (different levels), but to say that you can't have an honest philosophical disagreement with the concept because of your race is stupid. In my view, it's extra insulting when you are expected to agree with it 100% just because of that.

I'm more for laws that guarantee non-discriminatory practices, extra financial help based on economic need, laser focus on higher quality education for geographical areas that have been neglected, etc.

I'm obviously not in line with quota systems and artificial measures that end up diminishing the accomplishments and qualifications of a person based on their race. Or other people taking credit for what your achievements.
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post #24 of 44
5/14/09 at 11:39am
I don't live in the US so my opinion may be wrong but I always thought that affirmative action programs went like this: "Hey single parent kid who grew up in the projects, you made it 90% of the way to college so here's an extra 10% for your effort." I fail to see how this is demeaning to someone. Am I wrong? It's not like there are government vans going around in the hood picking up kids and dropping them of at Stanford.
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post #25 of 44
5/14/09 at 12:06pm
Normally, I'd be all in on this, but since Obama broke pretty much every campaign promise to the gay community thus far and has all but ignored the Congressional Black Caucus, I'm pretty much thinking that if you're concerned about minority issues of either ethnicity or sexuality, there's no point in identifying with a major party at all.

At least, nationally. State legislatures are the way to go for these sorts of issues.
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post #26 of 44
5/14/09 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
I don't get it. Does anyone really think that there are people who 'made something of themselves' without standing on someone else's shoulders? In my mind what this stuff does is merely give someone with no help a base he can build on. It's up to them whether they will. What's so bad about that?

I have meant a couple of them over the years. The reality here is that the US government is really adverse to self employment of any kind. As the party of 'bigger government' the Dems make themselves an enemy of anyone who is self employed. The Reps have the moniker however wrongly of the party that is 'pro business'. The truth is that the Reps are no more pro small business, then the Dems are pro environment.
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post #27 of 44
5/14/09 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson View Post
Normally, I'd be all in on this, but since Obama broke pretty much every campaign promise to the gay community thus far and has all but ignored the Congressional Black Caucus, I'm pretty much thinking that if you're concerned about minority issues of either ethnicity or sexuality, there's no point in identifying with a major party at all.

At least, nationally. State legislatures are the way to go for these sorts of issues.
I'm quite disappointed as well, but I'm clinging to the notion that by focusing on other "non-wedge" issues in the first term, he's saving up for a mighty left-wing salvo in the second term. Dreams deferred rather than denied...hopefully.
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post #28 of 44
5/14/09 at 10:04pm
Weren't Obamas 'broken promises' more to do with having to concentrate on the rather large and relatively politically time consuming act of not letting your country slip into an economic black hole the likes of which have not been seen for nearly a century that would have kinda broken the country?

I mean sure, he's not done everything he said he would, but most of you out there aren't eating your shoes - or each other - at this point so he must be doing something right.
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post #29 of 44
5/14/09 at 10:08pm
Talk about lowering the bar, and I say that as somebody that's pretty happy with his performance so far.
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post #30 of 44
5/14/09 at 10:12pm
Seriously tho El, it's not about lowering the bar, it's the fact that you guys really have come a bees dick away from a proper honest to goodness economic implosion. Surely thats pretty taxing on a new president?
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post #31 of 44
5/14/09 at 10:48pm
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post

I mean sure, he's not done everything he said he would, but most of you out there aren't eating your shoes - or each other - at this point so he must be doing something right.
What has he done on this front, exactly? 95% of the "stimulus" money hasnt even been spent.

As they have every single time in the past, these things tend to work themselves out. Thats why no matter what label you place on it, at the end of the day its always called an economic "correction." The Fed purchasing debt (which began in 2008) is really the only thing that has made any sort of difference in the economy overall. And even then, that decision wasnt (and usually isnt) made by the president.
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post #32 of 44
5/14/09 at 10:51pm
I dunno, I watched this, for example, the other night and it seems to me he's been a bit busy with it.
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post #33 of 44
5/14/09 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
I dunno, I watched this, for example, the other night and it seems to me he's been a bit busy with it.
Oh I have no doubt that he spends a lot of time talking to a bunch of different people about it. But that doesnt change the fact that he hasnt really done a whole lot to help it. Nobody should hold that against him, though, as theres really not a lot for him to do.
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post #34 of 44
5/14/09 at 10:59pm
...and that wasn't really my point, my point was simply that, understandably, it's taking up the lions-share of his time as president at the moment.
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post #35 of 44
5/14/09 at 11:04pm
That is true. In other words, this is priority #1 and people should give him some consideration for that.

It's like health care, I really want total reform in this area but understand that it might have to wait a little bit until the economic situation looks just a bit more hopeful. Get the fundamentals right, and then we can tackle more issues.
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post #36 of 44
5/15/09 at 5:17am
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson View Post
Normally, I'd be all in on this, but since Obama broke pretty much every campaign promise to the gay community thus far and has all but ignored the Congressional Black Caucus, I'm pretty much thinking that if you're concerned about minority issues of either ethnicity or sexuality, there's no point in identifying with a major party at all.

At least, nationally. State legislatures are the way to go for these sorts of issues.
You're not actually serious here, are you? 100 odd days into his Presidency, in the midst of utter global chaos, you're accusing him of breaking promises? After what he has done since he was inaugurated? Jesus, Micah.
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post #37 of 44
5/15/09 at 5:30am
Which party do asians have to support?
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post #38 of 44
5/15/09 at 5:39am
Green. Duh.
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post #39 of 44
5/15/09 at 5:58am
Thanks AlmightyShmun. I wanted to make sure my "play-at-home" score card is kept current.
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post #40 of 44
5/15/09 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by Hifidog View Post
Which party do asians have to support?
The blacks.
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post #41 of 44
5/15/09 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by Phil Connors View Post
You're not actually serious here, are you? 100 odd days into his Presidency, in the midst of utter global chaos, you're accusing him of breaking promises? After what he has done since he was inaugurated? Jesus, Micah.
Deadly serious. I don't buy the excuses that we can't show torture photos, or go on full-scale prosecutions, or get HIS Congress to end Don't Ask, Don't Tell because he'd be wasting political capital that he'll need for the economic meltdown, or climate change, or what have you.

There's never going to be a good or convenient time for righting these wrongs. I can understand priorities, but there will always be larger initiatives at stake in his presidency.

I do see him as an improvement on Bush, most certainly. But I'm not going to lower the bar for a guy who's capable of much more.
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post #42 of 44
5/15/09 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by Phil Connors View Post
You're not actually serious here, are you? 100 odd days into his Presidency, in the midst of utter global chaos, you're accusing him of breaking promises? After what he has done since he was inaugurated? Jesus, Micah.
Utter global chaos? Come on...usually Republicans are supposed to be the ones spouting this sort of fear...
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post #43 of 44
5/15/09 at 12:52pm
Republackins?
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post #44 of 44
5/22/09 at 12:39am
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Religion
Yes. And being strongly anti abortion and anti gay.
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