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post #451 of 514
6/10/09 at 5:20pm
Well, thanks to Terminator: Salvation, my old McFarlane "Movie Maniacs" Endoskeleton figure is going for $50+ on e-bay.

Thanks McG.
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post #452 of 514
6/10/09 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by Humanoid View Post
So.... Skynet's genius plan was to lure Connor to their base so that a Terminator can punch him?
It was more like "toss him around" a few times. You'd think the terminator would just punch through him like Brian Thompson's punk death and get it over with.
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post #453 of 514
6/10/09 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. Freeze View Post
It was more like "toss him around" a few times. You'd think the terminator would just punch through him like Brian Thompson's punk death and get it over with.
Yeah, the T800 could punch Marcus (a cyborg) so hard his heart stopped but all he could do with Connor was knock him across the room? Can terminators pull their punches like that? Seems like something Skynet wouldn't want programmed into their software.
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post #454 of 514
6/10/09 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
That would be incredibly stupid. Even by 2029, and assuming he's born in 2018, the kid would be 11. What is this, Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace?
Oh I imagine, with some bullshit, they can explain it all away, somthing about the timelines changing and the war not being able to be won for a few more years.

I don't trust the people in charge of the terminator films enough to assume they won't do somthing as retarded.
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post #455 of 514
6/11/09 at 5:38am
My biggest pet peeve with T4 was the abundance of technology on the Resistance end. Wasn't the whole point that Skynet esentially infiltrated nearly all computer-driven forms of technology?

I was never really under any false illusion that this movie would be legitemately good but if nothing else, I was kind of hoping it would give us a full-length movie about the future we heard so much and saw at least a little about in the first three flicks. We finally get here and it's all daylight and Michael Bay-looking Transformers blowing up gas stations. Did anyone involved in this flick actually watch Terminator 2 or did they just have the nearest fan give them the jist of it? "Just throw in an "I'll Be Back" and some Guns-N-Roses music and the people we'll eat it up."
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post #456 of 514
6/11/09 at 9:40am
I miss the movie microscope. This is a great candidate.
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post #457 of 514
6/11/09 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by Crazy Jim View Post
My biggest pet peeve with T4 was the abundance of technology on the Resistance end. Wasn't the whole point that Skynet esentially infiltrated nearly all computer-driven forms of technology?
Perhaps the most powerful and haunting image in all of James Cameron's filmography is the one in THE TERMINATOR of a tiny group of survivors gathered in front of the glow of a TV set watching the tiny fire burning inside its hollow shell.

Yeah, this new timeline might have been changed but dramatically-speaking, not for the better.
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post #458 of 514
6/12/09 at 10:25pm
Regarding Skynet not killing Kyle Reese. This might seem overly complex but... maybe Skynet wants to keep Kyle alive so that IT can send him back to 1984 to protect Sarah Connor.

Skynet knows that Judgment Day will always happen, and it also knows that without the Kyle and T-800 face-off at Cyberdyne factory, Skynet will never be (or never found). So ensuring both its existence and victory in the future, the only thing Skynet figured could work is luring and killing Connor in 2018 and keeping Kyle alive until 2029.

But then again, a T-600 does put Kyle on the slab.
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post #459 of 514
6/12/09 at 11:51pm
I can't believe there's 10 FUCKING PAGES debating this piece of shit.
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post #460 of 514
6/12/09 at 11:55pm
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Originally Posted by santi-freak View Post
I can't believe there's 10 FUCKING PAGES debating this piece of shit.
WOLVERINE's on its 10th page as well.
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post #461 of 514
6/13/09 at 12:19am
tommy five-tone, But...Wolverine is the best at what he does...That is why there are 10 pages devoted to...X-Men Origins Wolverine, and that is why there will be a Wolverine 2 in a couple of years.
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post #462 of 514
6/13/09 at 12:33am
Just saw this. Dumb and forgettable, but often fun. There's a shot where Marcus is opening one of the entrance bays to Skynet, and as soon as he goes in, a GIANT TERMINATOR UPPER HALF that looks like it's being propped up by a stick comes into frame, pauses, and moves along. Such a goofy moment.
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post #463 of 514
6/13/09 at 12:49am
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Originally Posted by duke fleed View Post
tommy five-tone, But...Wolverine is the best at what he does...That is why there are 10 pages devoted to...X-Men Origins Wolverine, and that is why there will be a Wolverine 2 in a couple of years.
duke fleed, Wolverine may be the best at what he does...but the makers of WOLVERINE are not the best at what they do...what they do - turn a potentally good movie into a turd - isn't very nice.
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post #464 of 514
6/13/09 at 1:22am
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Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
Just saw this. Dumb and forgettable, but often fun. There's a shot where Marcus is opening one of the entrance bays to Skynet, and as soon as he goes in, a GIANT TERMINATOR UPPER HALF that looks like it's being propped up by a stick comes into frame, pauses, and moves along. Such a goofy moment.
I thought I was the only one who found this hilarious. Thank you for proving I'm not alone.
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post #465 of 514
6/13/09 at 12:01pm
If chud lets me review the DVD, I'm so .gif animating that shot. I wish I could insert audio, because I'd lay in a dramatic "DUN-DUN-DUUUUUN!"
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post #466 of 514
6/13/09 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
Perhaps the most powerful and haunting image in all of James Cameron's filmography is the one in THE TERMINATOR of a tiny group of survivors gathered in front of the glow of a TV set watching the tiny fire burning inside its hollow shell.

Yeah, this new timeline might have been changed but dramatically-speaking, not for the better.
That combined with all that coughing and moaning and people generally sounding miserable really made that sequence work. Cameron did more to drive home the horror of this post-apocalyptic war in those five or so minutes than McG did with nearly two hours. Granted, there was a lot of moaning and people sounding imiserable during the screening of T4 I was at but it all came from the audience.
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post #467 of 514
6/13/09 at 9:46pm
Terminator Salvation was slickly-packaged, thoroughly disposable entertainment. Just saw it a couple of hours ago and I'd like to say more about it but I think I blew my wad over at B Action and - seeing as it's been about 3 hours since I finished watching it - I think it's starting to fade from my memory.

I do remember thinking Sam Worthington showed promise as an action figure, while Anton Yelchin impressed me with his Michael Biehn impersonation. That and a really cool action scene involving a giant robot and a broken 7-Eleven.

Bale was boring as fuck. Moon Bloodgood gave me a boner (as did Bryce Dallas Howard - despite the fact that, if I remember correctly, she plays a piece of furniture in this film).

Yeah. I'd say they dropped the ball with "relaunching" the franchise. But - deep down - did anyone really want that? Wasn't this future war always more interesting in brief glimpses and the epic battles that lived in our imagination?

I don't know that anyone was looking forward to three movies of metal people walking across boring deserts shooting at each other for 2 hours and 15 minutes.

So, if anything, this is probably the final nail in a coffin that had already been put six feet under like 6 years ago.
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post #468 of 514
6/14/09 at 12:23am
I actually enjoyed this film a lot.

I bought T2 the other day since I was on a Terminator high (and it was on sale for $7.99) and it wasn't as great as I remember and/or expecting it to be. It dragged on, and only the Sarah Connor parts really had me engaged in the film.

Its hard to believe John Connor in Judgment Day grows up to be bad ass Christian Bale, but alas, what can you say.
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post #469 of 514
6/14/09 at 2:30am
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Originally Posted by bychance View Post
Its hard to believe John Connor in Judgment Day grows up to be bad ass Christian Bale, but alas, what can you say.
I disagree. There's a big enough gap between Furlong's John Connor and Bale's John Connor for development into an action hero. I mean, Sarah Connor's transformation from who she was in the original Terminator to the badass she became in Judgment Day was believable.

But the progression from Nick Stahl's Connor to Bale's? That's hard to believe.
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post #470 of 514
6/14/09 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
There's a shot where Marcus is opening one of the entrance bays to Skynet, and as soon as he goes in, a GIANT TERMINATOR UPPER HALF that looks like it's being propped up by a stick comes into frame, pauses, and moves along. Such a goofy moment.
I thought that was meant to be a hommage to the great work Stan Winston did with the original animatronic endoskeletons they used in the foreground of the battle scenes in Cameron's movies. Considering this was also one of the last movies he worked on before he died, that moment was probably the closest the movie got to moving me.

Concerning Arnie's pseudo-cameo: I'm not a 100% sure, but I thought the reason the CGI looked so convincing in the close-ups was because they actually used slightly touched up footage from the first two movies.
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post #471 of 514
6/14/09 at 8:03pm
Way to hommage, dippshitts.
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post #472 of 514
6/14/09 at 8:12pm
In my defense, that's how God intended it to be spelled ;-)
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post #473 of 514
6/14/09 at 8:42pm
Fair enough, Frenchie.
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post #474 of 514
6/18/09 at 4:50am
Finally got a chance to see this. Despite a ton of illogical occurrences it was not as bad as I had feared, nor as good as I had hoped before release.

The action sequences were quite awesome imo, and I really dug both Marcus and Blair. Sam Worthington certainly has potential to become big!

The movie lacked a lot of soul and heart though, it was basically lots of cool scenes interrupted by nonsense filler.

Oh and we didn't actually see them perform the surgery in a tent
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post #475 of 514
6/18/09 at 4:54am
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Originally Posted by AeglosIstarion View Post

Concerning Arnie's pseudo-cameo: I'm not a 100% sure, but I thought the reason the CGI looked so convincing in the close-ups was because they actually used slightly touched up footage from the first two movies.
Convincing??

I thought it was a cool little scene but it did look fake as hell. I'm sure I have seen almost as convincing CG Arnolds in some PC game cut-scene. The eyes on that thing were definitely NOT touched up footage but more likely reused stock from Final Fantasy.

But I still had a big grin on during that entire scene.
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post #476 of 514
6/19/09 at 3:20am
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave View Post
The movie lacked a lot of soul and heart though, it was basically lots of cool scenes interrupted by nonsense filler.
I agree with the lack of heart but the lot of cool scenes? The only moment in the entire movie that really had me interested was the Arnold cameo and subsequent battle. Outside of that, it just never felt much like a Terminator flick to me.

As much as I didn't like Terminator 3 as a sequel, it at least was entertaining to me. Salvation just never had anything I could emotionally connect to in terms of story.
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post #477 of 514
6/19/09 at 11:34am
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave View Post
Convincing??

I thought it was a cool little scene but it did look fake as hell. I'm sure I have seen almost as convincing CG Arnolds in some PC game cut-scene. The eyes on that thing were definitely NOT touched up footage but more likely reused stock from Final Fantasy.

But I still had a big grin on during that entire scene.
Maybe it was the screen I was watching it on, but it looked pretty damn good to me. Even so, some of the poses and expressions were dead on T2 Arnie, and I thought I saw bits and pieces from T1 in there, too - although admittedly, it's been a little while since I've seen that movie. I mean, if he was fully CGI, why dump that molten steel on him one minute into the sequence? I think a movie as annoyingly desperate for fan approval would've milked that cameo a bit more if that was the case.
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post #478 of 514
6/19/09 at 8:35pm
If this flick would have been Yelchin / Bloodgood only, it would have killed.
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post #479 of 514
6/19/09 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by AeglosIstarion View Post
I mean, if he was fully CGI, why dump that molten steel on him one minute into the sequence? I think a movie as annoyingly desperate for fan approval would've milked that cameo a bit more if that was the case.
They were probably running into budget concerns. Didn't they not get Arnie's permission to use his likeness fairly late into the production? So all of sudden, here's ANOTHER CGI scene they have to pay for. Not surprised they kept it brief.
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post #480 of 514
6/20/09 at 3:43pm
Erix, you more or less said everything I felt just above. Thanks!
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post #481 of 514
6/20/09 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by AeglosIstarion View Post
Maybe it was the screen I was watching it on, but it looked pretty damn good to me. Even so, some of the poses and expressions were dead on T2 Arnie, and I thought I saw bits and pieces from T1 in there, too - although admittedly, it's been a little while since I've seen that movie. I mean, if he was fully CGI, why dump that molten steel on him one minute into the sequence? I think a movie as annoyingly desperate for fan approval would've milked that cameo a bit more if that was the case.
The face was fully CGI. It was the guy responsible for the Davy Jones character who was in charge of the team recreating Arnold digitally. They were struggling to the last minute apparently and it wasn't until a few weeks before release they decided to approve the result. So I always knew the cameo would be extremely brief. The body was all natural, obviously not Arnold but a stand in called Ronald Kickinger.
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post #482 of 514
6/20/09 at 6:18pm
The most hilariously bad part of the CG Arnold cameo wasn't the quality or duration of it but rather how the almost immediate battle damage this T-800 suffers is so specifically limited to its face. It's only one step above McG casting his chiropractor in the role and hiding the bottom half of his face behind a Count Dracula cape.
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post #483 of 514
6/21/09 at 1:08pm
Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys. Now I almost want to see the scene again just to see if I was imagining all the similarities... but that would mean having to sit through the whole thing again, and I really don't need to know that bad.

Although the scene sums up the movie quite nicely: It looks like something familiar from your past, but very quickly turns out to be a singleminded machine with no heart.
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post #484 of 514
6/21/09 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by AeglosIstarion View Post
Now I almost want to see the scene again just to see if I was imagining all the similarities...
Your wish is my command:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY57vJOQIlE&fmt=22
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post #485 of 514
6/21/09 at 8:40pm
Also, if the movie was like this, it would've been much better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygqyZPiAqkY&fmt=22
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post #486 of 514
6/21/09 at 8:48pm
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
The most hilariously bad part of the CG Arnold cameo wasn't the quality or duration of it but rather how the almost immediate battle damage this T-800 suffers is so specifically limited to its face. It's only one step above McG casting his chiropractor in the role and hiding the bottom half of his face behind a Count Dracula cape.
I'd have gone with the Game of Death approach myself.
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post #487 of 514
6/21/09 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by Superhuman View Post
Also, if the movie was like this, it would've been much better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygqyZPiAqkY&fmt=22
QFT. This is what everyone is waiting for. We want to see the war already!
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post #488 of 514
6/21/09 at 8:55pm
It's certainly closer to the kind of shit I wanted to see. At least, visually, it feels like the Terminator universe.
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post #489 of 514
6/21/09 at 10:28pm
It would've made more sense to just have Kickinger as the CSM-101 instead of CG-Arnie.
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post #490 of 514
6/28/09 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by Aranion View Post
And as a side note: did anyone else suspect that Jane Alexander was supposed to be playing Sarah Connor - and breathe a sigh of relief when that didn't happen?
I like to think she was playing her character from Testament, still hanging on.

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same. pretty good CGI work on the close ups, I wish that Conner would have made SOME sort of reaction when he noticed the T-800
As noted above, they didn't know until the last minute whether it would have Arnold's face, so Bale probably wouldn't have included that in his performance.

And to clarify, the head is 100% CG, not stock footage. According to Cinefex, the Winston team dug up life-casts from the original film for reference.
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post #491 of 514
9/10/09 at 4:43pm
Well, the DVD comes out on December 1st. There's going to be a "Director's Cut" with Moon's tit's, even though McG said he removed that topless scene himself.

Dear McG,

We are putting the topless scene of Moon Bloodgood back into the movie for the DVD release. We hope people will be inclined to purchase this version, as Moon is pretty damn hot. If you ever want to direct a film again, we suggest you play along, and say this is the way you intended the movie to be.

All the Best,
Warner Brothers.
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post #492 of 514
9/10/09 at 7:37pm
Why would he do that in the first place? Wasn't he planning to make it PG-13 from the get go?


EDIT: About the movie, it struck me as silly for the human resistance to spend so much time shooting bullets at the steel and titanium robots. Haven't they seen A Christmas Story? They'll shoot their eyes out!
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post #493 of 514
9/10/09 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by Zweit View Post
Why would he do that in the first place? Wasn't he planning to make it PG-13 from the get go?


EDIT: About the movie, it struck me as silly for the human resistance to spend so much time shooting bullets at the steel and titanium robots. Haven't they seen A Christmas Story? They'll shoot their eyes out!

Well if I was a director and Moon Bloodgood came to me and was like "I read about the topless scene in the script. I'm game." I don't care what rating the fucking thing is, I'm filming that piece of amazingness!

I always figured the resistance was using armor piercing rounds. Even bulletproof vests with the strong ass metal plates have trouble taking a regular bullet sometimes. The metal that the T-800 was made of wasn't being used yet, so the Terminators were still vulnerable to traditional weapons fire. That's why the original movies had them using lasers and shit on the T-800s.
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post #494 of 514
9/10/09 at 10:59pm
Since this thread came up I just wanted to reiterate that this was one of the worst movies I ever saw, particularly in the sense of being so much disrespectingly worse than every other movie in the classic franchise, and the recent TV show too for that matter
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post #495 of 514
9/10/09 at 11:11pm
You rate number 3 way too highly there. If nothing else, this would get a lot more replay than that movie, even if it was kinda saved by its ending.
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post #496 of 514
9/10/09 at 11:58pm
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post #497 of 514
9/11/09 at 4:12am
Terminator 2 is excellent and Highlander isn't particularly good, let alone great. That graphic is a fail.
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post #498 of 514
11/21/09 at 2:25pm
If you're interested in what extra footage the "Director's Cut" contains:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=4991440
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post #499 of 514
11/22/09 at 4:02am
This movie is shite. It begins with a text scroll which explains most of what's important to occur in the film's proceeding two hour run time. The movie features a few entertaining, well-shot action set pieces, but these are best viewed out of context from the rest of the film; the choreographers and SFX people did a great job, and I don't want to credit the director McG, because this film makes it even more obvious that his films are barely crafted by the man himself. What a failure!

Also, when revisiting T2, as has been pointed out by others, it is disturbing how Schwarzenegger's Terminator has been programmed to be non-violent, and the film seems to contain a pacifist message, which I had been fooled into believing when I first saw the film in my youth; but seriously, can you imagine Gandhi shooting out the kneecaps of his Imperialist oppressors? What fucking bullshit.
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post #500 of 514
11/22/09 at 4:18am
He wasn't programmed to be non-violent. He promised, had to obey the order, not to kill anyone.

Even Sarah, who can't bring herself to kill Dyson, beats the shit out of people.

There's a difference between learning "the value of human life" and being a pacifist.
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