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post #151 of 191
3/27/10 at 10:35pm
How often has there been a Final Four with no #1s? Can't be often, and I wouldn't bet against it this year.
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post #152 of 191
3/27/10 at 10:44pm
Gotta show this link again

If Baylor can knock off Duke, this will be the best Final Four ever.
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post #153 of 191
3/27/10 at 10:57pm
We could really see a 2, 3, 5, and 6 in the final four. Bad year for chalk.
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post #154 of 191
3/27/10 at 11:00pm
Can't believe Duke is the only #1 left. If Duke wins this I'll be sick.
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post #155 of 191
3/27/10 at 11:19pm
My Final Four is dead in every single one of my brackets.
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post #156 of 191
3/28/10 at 12:38am
Seeing Butler in the Final Four is amazing! Playing at Lucas Oil which is about 5 miles from campus is even better!! This town is going to be hopping!
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post #157 of 191
3/28/10 at 1:12am
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Originally Posted by Farsight View Post
How often has there been a Final Four with no #1s? Can't be often, and I wouldn't bet against it this year.
Happened in 2005: Florida, UCLA, LSU, George Mason. I believe that's the only time.

ETA: I can picture the CBS suits sitting around sticking pins into Baylor voodoo dolls: if Duke doesn't make it, their Monday night ratings are going to be pretty damn bad.

Me, I say Go Bears!
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post #158 of 191
3/28/10 at 9:43pm
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Happened in 2005: Florida, UCLA, LSU, George Mason. I believe that's the only time.
Wikipedia says it also happened in 1980 -- Louisville - #2, Iowa - #5, Purdue - #6, UCLA - #8

Still, would have liked to see it happen for the third time.. alas, it was not to be.
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post #159 of 191
3/29/10 at 12:18am
Sources: Ducks Planning to Offer Izzo Record Contract

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EUGENE, Ore. --- A source close to the University of Oregon Athletic Department has told KEZI the Ducks are planning to offer Michigan State Head Coach Tom Izzo the largest contract in college basketball, with the backing of Oregon's biggest booster, Nike Chairman Phil Knight.

Kentucky Head Coach John Calipari currently has the largest contract, after he signed an eight-year, $31.65 million deal last year. Izzo currently makes about $2.5 million per year, excluding bonuses.

Another source within the Oregon Athletic Department has confirmed Izzo's name is on the list of coaching candidates provided by the search firm Spencer Stuart, but no offer or discussions between the parties have taken place.

Oregon cannot interview Izzo or make any formal offer until Michigan State is finished playing in the NCAA Tournament. The Spartans defeated Tennessee Sunday to advance to the Final Four.
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post #160 of 191
3/29/10 at 2:38am
Izzo won't leave no matter what. Guaranteed.
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post #161 of 191
3/29/10 at 9:34am
Well, in the 2nd chance contest, I am simultaneously 1st and last with my 2 brackets. Can you tell that I basically picked opposite teams in each bracket?
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post #162 of 191
3/29/10 at 12:03pm
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Izzo won't leave no matter what. Guaranteed.
Well, that's not only a lot of money, but a new set of challenges that a veteran coach might find attractive.

I wonder, though, how Izzo (or any coach, really) would feel about being in a situation where he's beholden, not to a cadre of alums and well-heeled donors, but to one exceedingly deep-pocketed guy who (I would guess) has some pretty specific ideas about how his money should be spent.

I have a lot of respect for Izzo, and I've never pictured him as the kind of guy that goes all-out for the questionable-admissions one-and-done types. What happens, though, the first time that Phil Knight decides that the Ducks just HAVE to have the latest phenom who's asking for some "special perks"? At MSU, Izzo can tell that kid and his family and "advisors" to take a hike (as Ben Howland did with Renardo Sidney and company), and know that the school has his back, but at Oregon...?

Actually, my favorite basketball news in some time is that St. John's has evidently decided that their program needs an infusion of hair gel and cliches: they're about to hire Steve Lavin. Lavs in the Big East is a trainwreck I would pay to see.
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post #163 of 191
3/29/10 at 12:23pm
I understand what you are saying Jeb, but he's not leaving. Having known him well for the last 10 years (including 4 years working with him on a daily basis), I know that he won't leave Michigan State. He's happy where he is, he wants to make MSU into the next Duke/Kentucky/North Carolina and he's set things up for the program to make that next step. Another crucial factor: his entire family (his and his wife's) are in Michigan. He is EXTREMELY close with family and would not move away from them & wouldn't think of relocating so many people. Most importantly, his daughter is a freshman in HS and there's no way in hell he would have her move.

And you're right, he wouldn't want to deal with the bullshit that comes from the Oregon/Nike syndicate. He gets annoyed with the stuff he gets from MSU administrators/boosters/fans and that would be child's play compared to what Phil Knight would bring to the table.
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post #164 of 191
3/29/10 at 12:32pm
I don't have the link, but this article was quoted in full at another message board:

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MATT YOUMANS: NCAA, refs lay red carpet for Duke


NCAA Tournament
Three good stories unfolded, and then the worst was saved for last. The Final Four was filled out by a predictably tired story Sunday as Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski strolled to graciously shake hands, grin and cut down the nets.

Defying all odds, Coach K is back in the national semifinals for the first time in six years.


It's not exactly a heartwarming tale.

It's nothing personal, either. I don't despise Krzyzewski and his Blue Devils as many others do, but what we've just witnessed is something we have already seen too many times.

Duke received a favorable NCAA Tournament draw and took advantage of it.

The Blue Devils brushed aside Arkansas-Pine Bluff and California, struggled to put away a Purdue team missing its best player, and got some timely assistance from the officials on the way to a 78-71 victory over Baylor.

In no way is this to imply a Tim Donaghy-type fix was in, but there are subtle ways that officials can influence the outcome of basketball games.

For an example, let's examine Baylor-Duke.

The Bears led by two when Quincy Acy drove the right baseline and scored on a layup. Instead of Baylor going ahead by four with 4:37 remaining, the official under the basket jumped in and called a charging foul on Acy, despite Blue Devils center Brian Zoubek sliding in late to undercut Acy.

"The guy was clearly moving. It was the key play of the game," said Cal Neva sports book director Nick Bogdanovich, who always calls as he sees it. "Zoubek is a 7-footer with slow feet. He didn't get over in time. I don't even think it was close."

The momentum swung completely when Duke's Nolan Smith buried a 3-pointer on the other end.

There were two more cheap fouls called against Baylor down the stretch. But most irritating was a technical assessed against Acy for bumping an opposing player with 1:19 left. Acy stepped in to react after Jon Scheyer, while being trapped, threw what Bogdanovich aptly described as a "wild elbow."

Scheyer was not penalized. But Acy was tagged with the tech, and Scheyer made two free throws. Game over. The Blue Devils win and cover as 5-point favorites.

"They don't need to call that," Bogdanovich said of the tech on Acy. "But Duke got the calls they always get. Duke is one of those teams you either love or hate.

"Good teams make their breaks. But there's no question, Duke got a ridiculous amount of breaks in that game. For Duke to cover 5, that was unbelievably fortunate. That's one of those games that makes you nauseous if you bet Baylor plus-5."

I have no ax to grind because I bet no money on Baylor. It's just the same old, tired story: Coach K and the Blue Devils get all the calls, and Dick Vitale goes home happy.

The whistles are the wild card when you bet on a basketball game, and if you bet against Duke, expect to get burned more often than not.

That said, Scheyer and Smith made the winning plays. Smith scored 29 points and Scheyer 20, and Duke deserves credit.

The Bears also committed a bundle of mental errors that contributed to their collapse, and there was no excuse for allowing the Blue Devils to grab 22 offensive rebounds.

A Final Four of Baylor, Butler, Tennessee and West Virginia could have been a ratings nightmare for CBS. But Coach K is in the party, and so is Tom Izzo after Michigan State toughed out a 70-69 victory over Tennessee. The Spartans, who were 1½-point underdogs, are difficult to bet against because Izzo is simply a master in March.

"It was dead-even action on both games," Bogdanovich said of Sunday's wagering. "Michigan State is doing it with guts and good coaching."

Butler opened as a 1-point favorite over Michigan State in one Final Four game Saturday in Indianapolis. Duke is favored by 2 to 2½ points over West Virginia.

"I like it because you've got some new blood in there," Bogdanovich said. "Obviously, Butler is the story. That's who I'm rooting for, but I usually pull for the underdogs anyway."

Two weeks ago I filled out an office-pool bracket and came up with a Final Four of Butler, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Duke. No lie. The bracket is in my back pocket.

The same place Coach K has the three officials.

Contact sports betting columnist Matt Youmans at myoumans@reviewjournal.com or 702-387-2907.
I think he's right on the block/charge call, and I KNOW he's right on the T.

It's not often that, for two games in a row, Bob Huggins isn't necessarily the most odious coach on the floor.
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post #165 of 191
3/29/10 at 6:03pm
Yes, because when I think about go-to quotes about college basketball or sports in general, a Sports book director is entirely objective on the matter.
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post #166 of 191
3/29/10 at 6:30pm
No one's objective on the subject of Duke basketball.

No one breathing, anyway.
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post #167 of 191
3/29/10 at 6:43pm
That charge call was bullshit, though.
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post #168 of 191
3/29/10 at 7:21pm
It so was.
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post #169 of 191
3/29/10 at 8:03pm
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Yes, because when I think about go-to quotes about college basketball or sports in general, a Sports book director is entirely objective on the matter.
Bookies know more about sports than most analysts. In terms of analysis, they are an under utilized resource.
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post #170 of 191
3/29/10 at 9:37pm
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Bookies know more about sports than most analysts. In terms of analysis, they are an under utilized resource.
No. Bookies know two things.. trends and injuries. And for every trend that tells me why team X will in the game, there are 10 other things that tell you why team Y will win. Remember - lies, damn lies and statistics.
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post #171 of 191
3/30/10 at 10:35am
Sounds like someone's been burned a few times in the past.
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post #172 of 191
3/30/10 at 12:20pm
Fucking Duke. Thats all I have to say. Fucking...Duke. Why?
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post #173 of 191
4/1/10 at 8:24am
If Duke wins on Saturday, I win our pool. That makes me feel dirty.
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post #174 of 191
4/1/10 at 4:11pm
Anyone going to the Final Four? I get in Friday night & was wondering if any chewers wanted to grab a drink downtown.
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post #175 of 191
4/2/10 at 11:59pm
Just in case you were thinking of cheering for Duke this weekend: Anybody but Duke: The Case for Rooting Against The Blue Devils in the Final Four, and Forever.
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post #176 of 191
4/3/10 at 2:17am
As a Mountaineer fan, I second the sentiment.

FUCK DUKE.
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post #177 of 191
4/3/10 at 12:27pm
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Anyone going to the Final Four? I get in Friday night & was wondering if any chewers wanted to grab a drink downtown.
Rockbottom is great place to have a few drinks. As much as people make fun of it, Indianapolis is damn near perfect for holding events like this. Everything is close and Lucas Oil is an easy walk from any hotel. While I won't be at the game I'll be at the Rockbottom drinking and cheering on Butler.
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post #178 of 191
4/3/10 at 10:09pm
I admire the defense, Butler, but if you shoot like that in the second half on Monday, you are going to get run out of the gym by either WVU or Dook.
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post #179 of 191
4/5/10 at 12:51pm
If Butler can pull this off tonight, it will make for one hell of a movie. Will there be anyone outside of Durham pulling for Duke in the finals?
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post #180 of 191
4/5/10 at 4:09pm
I never complain about officials, but I thought they sucked Saturday night in the Butler-MSU game. There were some big no-calls that surprised the shit out of me. MSU had a guy clotheslined going up for a rebound and nothing was called. Then on MSU's shot with 7 seconds left & down 1, they get hacked right on the arm. No call. The MSU guy was 7 feet from the hoop and the ball went 3. That's a recipe for a foul. Here's a pic of that play:



With all that being said...my Spartans didn't deserve to win. They held Butler w/o a FG for 10:42 of the 2nd half but couldn't capitalize. Hit a couple more shots and shoot better than 50% at the FT line and they're playing Monday night. Oh well, great season anyways.
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post #181 of 191
4/5/10 at 10:01pm
As a huge Carolina fan, my hatred of Duke grows every day, as it has for years. Go Butler!
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post #182 of 191
4/6/10 at 12:39am
Fuck, that would have been the greatest shot of all time. So close.
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post #183 of 191
4/6/10 at 12:41am
SO SO SO SO CLose!! That final shot was. IF that shot would've gone it would go down as the greatest last second shot in NCAA Tournament history. Butler should be proud as hell for what they just did. Great game either way.
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post #184 of 191
4/6/10 at 12:44am
Yea, it's too bad neither of Hayward's shots fell at the end. Still, Butler went a long time towards the end of that game without making a field goal. I'm impressed with how good the Bulldogs played. I figured Duke would run them out of the building.

An amazing NCAA tourney, and I was so hoping to cap it with a last-second game winner by Butler.
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post #185 of 191
4/6/10 at 12:53am
Good game, down to the wire.. Just wish it was the Bulldogs pulling it out. Close game for not scoring a meaningful FG in about 8 min

just not a good year for Indianapolis and championship games.
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post #186 of 191
4/6/10 at 11:00am
People are being a little too quick to throw the word "classic" on this. Just because it was a close game doesn't make it a classic. And so many people are pointing to the final desperation shot from Butler almost going in as a reason why it's a classic. Wouldn't that shot have to go in for that to be the case?

Honestly, with the way they shot the ball down the stretch, Butler was lucky to even be in that game, and Duke sure helped them stick around.
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post #187 of 191
4/6/10 at 1:44pm
So are you saying that if that final shot by Hayward goes in, then Butler would be regarded as one the worst teams to ever win the NCAA Basketball tourney?
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post #188 of 191
4/6/10 at 1:52pm
Not at all. I just don't think that just because it was a two-point game that Butler had the chance to win twice in the final 20 seconds makes it some kind of instant classic.

It's like the Patriots/Panthers Super Bowl that was a dreadful slog for a good part of the game but everyone says was a great game because the end was exciting.
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post #189 of 191
4/6/10 at 2:30pm
NEVER FORGET:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...story/12096928
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post #190 of 191
4/22/10 at 1:17pm
Only a couple of teams added to the tourney...for now.
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post #191 of 191
6/14/11 at 11:08pm

I was also excited to watch this calibration

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