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post #51 of 117
5/28/09 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear View Post
Even the Special Edition of Aliens doesn't skimp on rising tension; how, then, can the second act be " very saggy", Ryan? You don't like the dialogue... fair enough, but how did the film's portrayal of the eponymous extraterrestrials diminish the series' quality?
They took them from being unknowable killing machines to being big bugs. Suddenly, they have an explanation for the horrors they are reigning down. They're protecting the Queen and their species. It's interesting in one film (particularly as there's a mother/daughter issue throughout Aliens) but now the next two get handcuffed to "canon" in regards to the Xenomorphs and the Xenos just become boring bugs in the next two films without a nest to protect.

The tension never worked for me in Aliens. Which is weird because it's the one thing I give credit to Cameron for, he's usually capable of ratcheting up the tension (the first Terminator is great for that). Maybe part of it is that it's essentially a haunted house story in space and I have a tough time buying into haunted house stories. Maybe part of it is that I was just bored of the characters by the time the middle of the movie came. I didn't care if they lived or died (well, not quite true, the Paul Reiser character needed to die but that's because he was played by Paul Reiser)
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post #52 of 117
5/28/09 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
They took them from being unknowable killing machines to being big bugs. Suddenly, they have an explanation for the horrors they are reigning down. They're protecting the Queen and their species. It's interesting in one film (particularly as there's a mother/daughter issue throughout Aliens) but now the next two get handcuffed to "canon" in regards to the Xenomorphs and the Xenos just become boring bugs in the next two films without a nest to protect.

The tension never worked for me in Aliens. Which is weird because it's the one thing I give credit to Cameron for, he's usually capable of ratcheting up the tension (the first Terminator is great for that). Maybe part of it is that it's essentially a haunted house story in space and I have a tough time buying into haunted house stories. Maybe part of it is that I was just bored of the characters by the time the middle of the movie came. I didn't care if they lived or died (well, not quite true, the Paul Reiser character needed to die but that's because he was played by Paul Reiser)
In a horror film (Alien, even if it is in sci-fi clothing), keeping the antagonist/s mysterious works. In an action film (Aliens, even if it is in sci-fi clothing), unraveling the antagonist/s works. The last part of that first paragraph, also, isn't strictly relevant as Alien 3 and Resurrection have no bearing on the quality of Aliens. Again, the tension didn't work for you - fair enough. I'm not trying to take you to task; the movie isn't film's apex. Your response just sounds unsure of itself, so it's less than persuasive to me.

By the way, Phil, some of the posts in that thread are... bold (James May, for example, dismissing the movie as a "mindless romp.") At least with Spike's opening post - see how I keep it relevant? - there's something to chew on.
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post #53 of 117
5/28/09 at 6:29pm
I just can't imagine getting worked up defending a well-regarded, highly successful blockbuster action film. It's like writing a passionate defense of Nike or something. It just feels stunningly shallow. Find better, more interesting movies to get worked up about.
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post #54 of 117
5/28/09 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
Maybe part of it is that it's essentially a haunted house story in space and I have a tough time buying into haunted house stories.
Alien definitely is a "haunted house story" or Gothic Horror Film set in outer space. Of that there is no question.

Aliens, however, is an action adventure film. Nothing horrific about it apart from the gore effects.

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I just can't imagine getting worked up defending a well-regarded, highly successful blockbuster action film. It's like writing a passionate defense of Nike or something. It just feels stunningly shallow. Find better, more interesting movies to get worked up about.
Can't help it.

For what it's worth, if someone writes a thread called "Straw Dogs is a fascist, misogynist piece of shit and I don't get what the big deal is" Or "Takeshi Kitano is an inept hack" I will passionately throw my two cents in that pile too.

Welcome to the Chud boards. We claim to love Beef Strogonoff, but spend hours discussing Salisbury Steak. That's just the way it is.
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post #55 of 117
5/28/09 at 7:37pm
The weird thing that you do in a bunch of threads when people have a different opinion is you try and analogize it to insults veiled as opinions, while the only point you're making is for some reason you obviously feel personally attacked when someone doesn't agree with you.
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post #56 of 117
5/28/09 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
I just can't imagine getting worked up defending a well-regarded, highly successful blockbuster action film. It's like writing a passionate defense of Nike or something. It just feels stunningly shallow. Find better, more interesting movies to get worked up about.
I wasn't getting worked up. The "I'm not trying to take you to task..." remark was included so people wouldn't think that.
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post #57 of 117
5/28/09 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear View Post
Back to matters Spike, I think he's charismatic, engaging, and a valuable member of the boards.
Just to be nitpicky for a second, this isn't an attack on you Bobby, just a question. Can someone be charismatic on a message board? Surely it's a characteristic that can only be applied when your in the same physical vicinity of the person your applying it to. For example you can be funny, introspective, insightful, charming, those traits can be associated to the written word but charisma is way too strong for my liking.
I would find it really disappointing if people on here are easily led to a certain way of thinking by someone that they'll most likely never meet. You do see a group mentality at times but i don't think thats through charisma but by the person being shit scared to argue his point or to get on the wrong side of the other person which in my mind is a big case of pussyfooting.
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post #58 of 117
5/28/09 at 8:36pm
That's a fair question, Tom (appreciate the tact, by the way.) I think someone can be charismatic on a message board. Anyone who inspires enthusiasm or fondness through charm, intelligence, etc - regardless of the circumstances (at work, on TV, in the Sewer) - is charismatic for my money. Spike's especially valid, in my case. After a particularly bumpy beginning, I grew to respect him for his knowledge and strength of convictions. If he weren't charismatic (for me) I wouldn't enjoy his contributions as much or think of him as highly as I do.

I understand and share your view on the pussyfooting/"following" (it's my main bugbear with the boards) but I think that's different from the charisma issue. I've disagreed openly and honestly with people here, none more notably than with Spike.
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post #59 of 117
5/28/09 at 11:41pm
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Originally Posted by Tom Logan View Post
Can someone be charismatic on a message board?
Absolutely. You don't have your own set of posters who, through an aggregate of previous displays of smarts, wit, charm, knock-knock jokes, whatever, you get jazzed to read when you see their names on the "last post by" dealie? Maybe it's semantics but I would classify a few posters as "charismatic" as I understand the term.

Now shit's gone gay.
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post #60 of 117
3/25/10 at 3:13pm
I know it won't but I'd like to go on record that I wanted this to stay civil.

Having said that, what the fuck's your beef with the Irish, exactly, Spike?
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post #61 of 117
3/25/10 at 3:16pm
welp
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post #62 of 117
3/25/10 at 3:37pm
I think Spike deserves some sort of fish-based award for not taking the bait here for many months.
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post #63 of 117
3/25/10 at 3:38pm
Justin, you're a pretty right fella so please don't take offense, but couldn't have a PM taken care of this?
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post #64 of 117
3/25/10 at 3:42pm
Justin's....Irish?
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post #65 of 117
3/25/10 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
I know it won't but I'd like to go on record that I wanted this to stay civil.

Having said that, what the fuck's your beef with the Irish, exactly, Spike?
Have you been to Boston?
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post #66 of 117
3/25/10 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
Having said that, what the fuck's your beef with the Irish, exactly, Spike?
On the seventh day the Lord rested, but before that he did, he squatted over the side of England and what came out of him... was Ireland. No offense son.
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post #67 of 117
3/25/10 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
I know it won't but I'd like to go on record that I wanted this to stay civil.

Having said that, what the fuck's your beef with the Irish, exactly, Spike?
You're asking a resident of the UK why he has a problem with the Irish. That's a bit like asking a person from New York why they don't like the Saudis.

Seriously, you still have to jump through extra security hoops if your flight directly connects to or from the Republic of Ireland from the UK. It's even advertised on the little custom cards you get when landing in the UK on an international flight.
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post #68 of 117
3/25/10 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Justin's....Irish?
He looks pretty irish in his picture.
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post #69 of 117
3/25/10 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by Cuchulain View Post
You're asking a resident of the UK why he has a problem with the Irish. That's a bit like asking a person from New York why they don't like the Saudis.
Yeah, but if I ever have a user text that says I really hate towelheads, you're welcome and in fact encouraged to question my motives.
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post #70 of 117
3/25/10 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
Yeah, but if I ever have a user text that says I really hate towelheads, you're welcome and in fact encouraged to question my motives.
That user text was a request by someone (Bobby Bear, I believe?) in the UK Chewers thread, as a joke. That doesn't answer the broader question of why he hates the Irish, but the inflammatory text wasn't merely the result of Spike acting out to cause a stir.
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post #71 of 117
3/25/10 at 4:36pm
Thats mostly what I wanted to hear.

Believe me, aside from a serious need to smile more, I don't have nearly the number of problems with Spike some do. I was simply curious where the newfound Ireland bashing was coming from.
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post #72 of 117
3/25/10 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by Jeff M View Post
I think Spike deserves some sort of fish-based award for not taking the bait here for many months.
I can mail Spike a can of tuna. Or maybe Princess Kate still has some of those $7 crabcakes.
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post #73 of 117
3/25/10 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
Thats mostly what I wanted to hear.

Believe me, aside from a serious need to smile more, I don't have nearly the number of problems with Spike some do. I was simply curious where the newfound Ireland bashing was coming from.
It's probably not much more than your standard English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh rivalry. We're all supposed to hate each other, it's written into law or something.
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post #74 of 117
3/25/10 at 6:21pm
So why was this thread resurected?
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post #75 of 117
3/25/10 at 6:23pm
Humble attempt to address Spike, without creating a new thread?
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post #76 of 117
3/25/10 at 6:34pm
My bad I thought it was for more nefarious reasons
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post #77 of 117
3/25/10 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by Erix;2603935For what it's worth, if someone writes a thread called [I
"Straw Dogs is a fascist, misogynist piece of shit and I don't get what the big deal is"[/I]
lol yes please write a post about why straw dogs is not a fascist misogynistic paeon to violent masculinity and i will bisect you point by point and you will look dumb as hell. peace
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post #78 of 117
3/25/10 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by Eli View Post
lol yes please write a post about why straw dogs is not a fascist misogynistic paeon to violent masculinity and i will bisect you point by point and you will look dumb as hell. peace
Are you back already?
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post #79 of 117
3/25/10 at 8:53pm
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
Humble attempt to address Spike, without creating a new thread?
So, is the PM system broken?
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post #80 of 117
3/25/10 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
Thats mostly what I wanted to hear.

Believe me, aside from a serious need to smile more, I don't have nearly the number of problems with Spike some do. I was simply curious where the newfound Ireland bashing was coming from.
A few days ago I was reading through a thread (can't remember which), and he casually mentioned how he's proud of his hatred for the Irish and Australians. That wasn't his exact quote but it was something to that effect. I didn't say anything, but it made an impression on me. Imagine some American chewer just nonchalantly talking about how he hated black people.

So basically what I'm saying is that Spike is a cunt.
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post #81 of 117
3/25/10 at 9:52pm
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Originally Posted by Weasels Rip My Flesh View Post
That user text was a request by someone (Bobby Bear, I believe?) in the UK Chewers thread, as a joke. That doesn't answer the broader question of why he hates the Irish, but the inflammatory text wasn't merely the result of Spike acting out to cause a stir.
Yeah, that was me. If people have seriously taken anything more from that than the joke it obviously is, that's pretty bad.

I'm Irish and I don't find it inflammatory. I wouldn't even if I wasn't in on the joke.
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post #82 of 117
3/25/10 at 9:55pm
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear View Post
Yeah, that was me. If people have seriously taken anything more from that than the joke it obviously is, that's pretty bad.
That doesn't change the fact he's still openly talking about being proud of hating 2 nationalities of people.

And his frequent cuntery.
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post #83 of 117
3/25/10 at 10:08pm
Irish and Australian aren't races.
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post #84 of 117
3/25/10 at 10:12pm
You are correct, nationalities*. I'll change my post.
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post #85 of 117
3/25/10 at 10:13pm
Yeeeah it's kind of more like someone from one state in the US bitching about all the people in another state. Which we do. All the time.
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post #86 of 117
3/25/10 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by Count Floyd View Post
Yeeeah it's kind of more like someone from one state in the US bitching about all the people in another state. Which we do. All the time.
That's a very New York kind of thing to say. We don't do that in Pennsylvania.
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post #87 of 117
3/25/10 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by Weasels Rip My Flesh View Post
It's probably not much more than your standard English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh rivalry. We're all supposed to hate each other, it's written into law or something.
The Irish don't get along with themselves even.

But I can say that. I'm part leprechaun.
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post #88 of 117
3/25/10 at 11:09pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
Irish and Australian aren't races.
...but Irish-Australians are frikkin awesome.
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post #89 of 117
3/26/10 at 12:25am
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Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post
So why was this thread resurected?
Princess Kate bashing got old? Let's bring back one of the classics?

Boredom?

Whatever the reason, I had some fun reading through it.

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lol yes please write a post about why straw dogs is not a fascist misogynistic paeon to violent masculinity and i will bisect you point by point and you will look dumb as hell. peace
So did you, apparently.

Whoever you are.

But, long as you're on the topic, next time you watch Straw Dogs - how about if you understand the basic conceit of the film? That Hoffman is not the hero. That's been misinterpreted for years. The fact that you get a "rush" out of violent catharsis or, alternatively, are disgusted by what you're seeing on screen and the way it's presented - is part of the point.

Peace to you as well.

The mass is concluded, we may go in peace.

Thanks be to God.
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post #90 of 117
3/26/10 at 12:25am
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
...but Irish-Australians are frikkin awesome.
Sadly, their accents are absolutely impenetrable.
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post #91 of 117
3/26/10 at 12:32am
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Sadly, their accents are absolutely impenetrable.
That's a load of old spoigleflachblakenoidie.
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post #92 of 117
3/26/10 at 2:54am
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...but Irish-Australians are frikkin awesome.
Indeed.
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post #93 of 117
3/26/10 at 3:12am
I'm amazed Millete hasn't arrived here yet, wielding his +12 damage to Aspies Hammer.

Also, Im always amazed as well that Dickson's "The Thing" apathy didnt spark WWIII

EDIT: Forgot Eileen also shares Dickson's sentiment; then again, she does take care of the troll slaying around here.
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post #94 of 117
3/26/10 at 6:26am
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Originally Posted by Kevin Macken View Post
That doesn't change the fact he's still openly talking about being proud of hating 2 nationalities of people.

And his frequent cuntery.
It's a quote take out of context, it was part of a long debate in the UK Chewers thread, and it was quite defiantly a joke. We don't do Racism or any other kind of Ism in that thread.

We do however do world domination but that’s a different story.
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post #95 of 117
3/26/10 at 6:52am
Ken, with all due respect - and forgive me for not being bothered to trawl Spike's posts for categorical proof - he has a problem with the Irish, without any doubt. It doesn't bother me (and my blood runs pretty seriously green), but let's call a spade a spade - for a particular kind of Englishman, it's almost genetic.
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post #96 of 117
3/26/10 at 6:59am
I like Spike.
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post #97 of 117
3/26/10 at 7:06am
bah - bacon
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post #98 of 117
3/26/10 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear View Post
Yeah, that was me. If people have seriously taken anything more from that than the joke it obviously is, that's pretty bad.

I'm Irish and I don't find it inflammatory. I wouldn't even if I wasn't in on the joke.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean it was inflammatory to everyone - I just meant that it's what sparked this whole thing off. I've got some Irish in my bones and I thought it was funny even before I got the joke.

I think Spike is pretty awesome, personally, but I'm still new around here and don't have the history some people seem to have with the guy. I could venture into the Aliens thread for research but I'm afraid it woud make my eyeballs bleed.
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post #99 of 117
3/26/10 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
The Irish don't get along with themselves even.

But I can say that. I'm part leprechaun.
You slabberin'?

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Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post
It's a quote take out of context, it was part of a long debate in the UK Chewers thread, and it was quite defiantly a joke. We don't do Racism or any other kind of Ism in that thread.

We do however do world domination but that’s a different story.
Except for awesomeism. Kentopia prevails!

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Originally Posted by Weasels Rip My Flesh View Post
Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean it was inflammatory to everyone - I just meant that it's what sparked this whole thing off. I've got some Irish in my bones and I thought it was funny even before I got the joke.

I think Spike is pretty awesome, personally, but I'm still new around here and don't have the history some people seem to have with the guy. I could venture into the Aliens thread for research but I'm afraid it woud make my eyeballs bleed.
Fair enough. I see what you mean, but I thought the "really" part alone would tell people all they needed to know about the tone.

I'll chaperon you through the Aliens thread, if you like? It's easier when you've been through it before.
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post #100 of 117
3/26/10 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by Weasels Rip My Flesh View Post
I could venture into the Aliens thread for research but I'm afraid it woud make my eyeballs bleed.
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear View Post
I'll chaperon you through the Aliens thread, if you like? It's easier when you've been through it before.
I think you should take BB up on his offer. Despite some genuine howlers, there is some pretty great discussion in that thread... The concept of "outgrowing" Aliens still comes off as pompous. But interesting things are definitely said.
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