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Okay, Why the hell is Dick Cheney still around?

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This guy still wont shut up.
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wth all the Zombie love on Chud why don't you guys like Dick?
post #3 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hmm... You might have a point.

Cheney has been Weekend at Bernies for years now.
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Damn you modern medicine for being the answer to the OP's question!
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Because he has eight years of pent-up shit that he wants to say. I say let him. He's one of the most unpopular figures in the country and the Republican party is just cringing every time he opens his mouth because he's just reminding people of the last eight years and that's the last thing the GOP wants people to think about.
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Because evil never dies.
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Because he has eight years of pent-up shit that he wants to say. I say let him. He's one of the most unpopular figures in the country and the Republican party is just cringing every time he opens his mouth because he's just reminding people of the last eight years and that's the last thing the GOP wants people to think about.
No, the Hard Right loves Cheney for not putting up with them eeeeeevvviil Muslims!
post #8 of 30
Cheney should have learned his lessons from McCain and Jindal. Giving a speech after Obama is like going on stage after the Clash.

That he comes of as a petty, fearmongering coward is something else entirely.
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The most cogent theory I've heard so far is that he wants his statements on the record about if the country gets attacked again it'll be a direct result of Obama rolling back Cheney's torture policies. And he's banking on another attack to vindicate his legacy.

The fact that he's getting so much attention and is still the main voice of the Republicans is only possible because there's such a void in Republican power that he wins by default. And the best theory I've heard about that was that for so many years Republicans have come up as log-rollers, glad-handlers and followers of the Bush/Cheney cabal that now that there's a power vacuum they don't know how to act boldly and independently.
post #10 of 30
Plus, he's really got nothing to lose by shooting his mouth off. He's unlikely to ever be appointed to high public office again, and not likely to win any elected posts, either. He can say what he thinks without fear of "hurting" his political career. But yes, I very much agree with the "legacy" theory as well. He's ready to point the finger and say "I told you so" if something goes down.

As for the Republicans, I'm betting they're gladly letting him say all the things they're afraid to say for fear of coming across as "Anti-Obama" who remains intensely popular. Send the unpopular guy to say the unpopular things.

Oddly enough, Dick Cheney's approval ratings have gone up 7 points in the last few months.
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Oddly enough, Dick Cheney's approval ratings have gone up 7 points in the last few months.
He's out of office so there's less reason to hate him, by default. I'll bet Bush's numbers are up, too, if anyone bothered to take a poll.
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The most cogent theory I've heard so far is that he wants his statements on the record about if the country gets attacked again it'll be a direct result of Obama rolling back Cheney's torture policies. And he's banking on another attack to vindicate his legacy.
On a smaller scale, this also works with the memos he wants released regarding the information gained through waterboarding. He's trying to make the issue about whether or not we got useful info out of tortured prisoners - so that if there's anything at all in those memos, Cheney will "win." This is pretty slick on his part, since it dodges the more important issue, that torture is wrongy wrong wrong no matter what info comes out of it.
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Awesome commentary by Andrew Sullivan:


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The Unbalanced

by Andrew

A simple note having now read the former vice-president's despicable and disgraceful speech. It confirms the very worst of him, and reveals just how callow, just how arrogant, and just how reckless and unrepentant this man is and has long been. There was not a whisper of regret or reflection; there was a series of lies and distortions, a reckless attack on a graceful successor, inheriting a world of intractable problems, and a reminder that while serious men and women will indeed move on, Cheney never will. He remains a threat to this country's constitution as he remains a stain on its honor and moral standing. I never believed I would hear a vice-president of the United States not simply defend torture but insist on pride in it, insist on its honor. But that is what he said, with that sly grin insisting that fear always beats reason, that violence always beats dialogue, and that torture is always an American value.

He repeats this core untruth:

In public discussion of these matters, there has been a strange and sometimes willful attempt to conflate what happened at Abu Ghraib prison with the top secret program of enhanced interrogations. At Abu Ghraib, a few sadistic prison guards abused inmates in violation of American law, military regulations, and simple decency. For the harm they did, to Iraqi prisoners and to America's cause, they deserved and received Army justice. And it takes a deeply unfair cast of mind to equate the disgraces of Abu Ghraib with the lawful, skillful, and entirely honorable work of CIA personnel trained to deal with a few malevolent men.

This "strange and sometimes willful attempt to conflate what happened at Abu Ghraib prison with the top secret program of enhanced interrogations" is the sober conclusion of the Senate Armed Services Committee Report, as well as every report issued getting to the bottom of Abu Ghraib.

It was a function of a policy of abuse and torture and mistreatment of prisoners in the war on terror in every theater of combat, directed and emanating from the will of Dick Cheney via the pen of George W Bush. It is simply impossible to review the evidence and conclude otherwise and no one, outside the Cheney cocoon, has been able to sustain the fiction that Cheney proposes as fact. The attempt to separate this from his own highly controlled, personally directed program of torture and abuse and coercion is a deep and malicious and wilfull lie. It may be what Bush wishes to believe. But Cheney knows otherwise. His speech was therefore not a patriotic defense of what he thinks is best for this country; it was a vile and deliberately divisive attempt to use the politics of fear and false machismo against the stability of the American polity.

He has clearly learned nothing; and will remain a threat to this country's ability to fight terror and defend its values. The president will remain above this, as he should, as Cheney seeks further to divide and destabilize this country in a futile attempt to rescue his reputation. But his reputation is unrescuable, his crimes a matter of record, and his character now indelibly written in history. Our job is to never let him forget it, to never let history be re-written and to remain resolute in bringing both him and those who attacked us to justice. And that is in the presidential oath of office.
LINK.
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On a smaller scale, this also works with the memos he wants released regarding the information gained through waterboarding. He's trying to make the issue about whether or not we got useful info out of tortured prisoners - so that if there's anything at all in those memos, Cheney will "win." This is pretty slick on his part, since it dodges the more important issue, that torture is wrongy wrong wrong no matter what info comes out of it.
Indeed. Meanwhile, Feingold read those memos and evidently came away with a different impression.
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There is another possible reason for Cheney hogging the spotlight

GOP Wants More Help From Cheney

Cheney will never die, and he needs a new career to pass the next century. GOP King maker could be it...
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The book Angler is really good to help process Cheney's thinking in terms of stuff like this. It talks about the bunker, and how 9/11 would have looked to the VP with the information coming in (and how he may have briefly been in control of the country), moment by moment. Without watching the nation get attacked on his watch and being kind of helpless, we would have never gotten this incredibly energetic and Machiavellian old man hung up on the idea of torture, who 1) seems to believe what he's saying, and 2) has tremendous skill at manipulating processes to his own ends (at least the internal White House balance of power), which makes him still completely terrifying. Calling him Darth Vader gives me no comfort, because I imagine over 40% of the country believes him when he says he saved thousands of lives, and that amount could grow.

NPR today said the terrorists caught today were amateurs, but I saw some of either CBS or NBC and I don't think it was part of their report, and it came right after the one on Cheney's speech.

Hopefully, media and public relations are all he has. But he was the most powerful VP in history, and he carefully timed his speech to come minutes after Obama's historic one. As public theatre at least, it's the most interesting thing in Obama's presidency so far.
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War without supervision, and outsourced to private companies. Are you surprised?
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Thread Starter 
And he is still saying shit
post #20 of 30
I honestly can't recall an ex-vp given this much goddamn attention.

Fuck this son of a bitch.
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It's mostly speculation at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised, Cheney for president, anyone?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_273470.html
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It's mostly speculation at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised, Cheney for president, anyone?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_273470.html
Well who else does the Republican Party have? Seriously? Sarah Palin? Mitt Romney? Chuck Norris?
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Well who else does the Republican Party have? Seriously? Sarah Palin? Mitt Romney? Chuck Norris?
Dont tempt the Limbaugh !
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Well who else does the Republican Party have? Seriously? Sarah Palin? Mitt Romney? Chuck Norris?
Joe the Plumber. Er, I mean, Samuel The Plumber. Or, well, ok, he is not really a licensedplumber. But his name is Sam! .... That's kind of like "Uncle Sam", isn't it?
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Huckabee, if he doesn't eat himself out of politics.
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Well who else does the Republican Party have? Seriously? Sarah Palin? Mitt Romney? Chuck Norris?
A lot of retards who aren't even Republican would probably vote for Norris.
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Supervillians always tend to ramble on and monologue about their nefarious deeds.


I'm almost 99% certain that Cheney is the Red Skull at this point.
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Supervillians always tend to ramble on and monologue about their nefarious deeds.


I'm almost 99% certain that Cheney is the Red Skull at this point.
"My plan is elegant in its simplicity! Mwu hahahahahaha!"
post #29 of 30
Seriously, the only Republicans I can think of right now that are somewhat viable are Romney and Gingrich. I also get the feeling we might see a Pat Buchanon like wildcard with Sean Hannity. If I had that kind of bench, I'd be looking at Cheney too. Can't do much worse.
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Bring Back Brownback!

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