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I was reading the latest issue of ESPN: The Magazine and there was an interesting artivle by Zev Chafets, who is writing a book called Cooperstown Confidential.

With all the talk about people like Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, A-Rod, Mark McGuire and more having their stats taken away and being ineligible for the Hall of Fame because of inhancements, he brought up some interesting points I did not know about.

- Mickey Mantle was forced out of part of the '61 pennant race by an infection he got from the needle of a doctor who shot him up with a concotion of steroids and amphetamine

- Sandy Koufax took so many nonanabolic steroids for his sore arm that he was sometimes "half high" on the field

- Hank Aaron admitted to taking amphetamines during games

- All the way back to 1889, pitcher Pud Galvin drank monkey testosterone

I just am curious why Bonds should be shunned (when he "never failed a drug test") but Aaron, who admitted to it, is still revered?

The thought of not allowing them in the Hall is that using the steroids (before they were illigal) hurts the integrity of the Hall, which is one of the requirements. Juiced hitters were hitting the home runs off juiced pitchers. Does it hurt the integrity more than Rogers Hornsby being a member of the Ku Klux Klan? Or Ty Cobb bragging of committing murder? Or Joe DiMaggio and his mob connections?

What about Grover Cleveland Alexander pitching drunk when alcohol was a federally banned substance?

Just some random thoughts I thought I'd throw out there.
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maybe given that the sports news coverage was not 24/7 like it is now. My guess is that much of that stuff never got out to the public and was well buried. So maybe many of the Baseball purist did not even know these events happened. While in this day and age of media events, we had the Barry Bonds & Steroids story pretty much crammed down our collective throats for months.
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- All the way back to 1889, pitcher Pud Galvin drank monkey testosterone
Greatest line ever posted in the Sports forum?
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Baseball has been filled with cheaters since the game was invented. Performance enhancing drugs of any kind is a complete non-story.
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maybe given that the sports news coverage was not 24/7 like it is now. My guess is that much of that stuff never got out to the public and was well buried. So maybe many of the Baseball purist did not even know these events happened. While in this day and age of media events, we had the Barry Bonds & Steroids story pretty much crammed down our collective throats for months.
Also, back then, these guys were heroes, and there was a conscious effort to maintain their heroic stature. Now, the press doesn't care who they knock down as long as they can be the first to break the story.

Same thing with politicians. Everybody knew FDR had a mistress and that JFK was fucking around, but it was the President, you just didn't write about it. Vietnam and Watergate pretty much ended that.
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we had the Barry Bonds & Steroids story pretty much crammed down our collective throats for months.
Months? That's the understatement of the millennium.
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If I find out Babe Ruth was using steroids. I will be wondering just what went wrong.
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Of course it’s a double standard. What hurts the “integrity” of the game more than the fact that, during the supposed golden age of the sport, MLB prevented blacks from playing on the basis of race alone?

Eras cannot be compared directly, and the sooner people realize that, the sooner this nonsense will come to an end.

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Also, back then, these guys were heroes, and there was a conscious effort to maintain their heroic stature. Now, the press doesn't care who they knock down as long as they can be the first to break the story.

Same thing with politicians. Everybody knew FDR had a mistress and that JFK was fucking around, but it was the President, you just didn't write about it. Vietnam and Watergate pretty much ended that.
And for baseball’s turning point, look no further than Jim Bouton’s Ball Four.
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