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post #51 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:20pm
Jimmy Dugan: Baseball is what gets inside you. It's what lights you up, you can't deny that.
Dottie Hinson: It just got too hard.
Jimmy Dugan: It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great.

Penny Marshall is one horny broad.

SUGAR is supposed to be a great movie about baseball and the immigrant experience. Anyone see that yet?
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post #52 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:22pm
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I can still watch Sandlot when it's on TV and flash back to when I was 10 I hope I never lose that.
You and me both, man. But what's the standing on Bull Durham?
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post #53 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:22pm
Good call on 'Miracle', by the way. That's a fantastic movie, though and through.
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post #54 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:23pm
I'm going to see Sugar this weekend or next week!

Bull Durham routinely beats Field of Dreams in "best baseball movie of all time" discussions. That's another great one, but I almost always forget about it for some reason.
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post #55 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:26pm
OK, good quote, but I don't think that's what Terrence Mann was talking about in his speech. He was talking about how professional baseball was a uniting force in America in the past; it was a constant that everybody could get behind in tough times, with easily identified and lauded heroes. The bitter irony and unintentional humor of having a black man say that speech has been covered in earlier posts.
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post #56 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
Slap Shot is still the only sport film I can think of to this day that is wholly devoted to its pitch-black inversion of the genre - and thats why it'll always be the best sports film ever.
I think the original Bad News Bears does a pretty good job of doing this. C'mon, the movie ends with the Bears losing to their rival and engaging in some underage drinking: "Hey, Yankees! You can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" Hell, I'm trying to figure out how a thread that's devolved into a discussion of baseball movies could have gone two pages without a Bears mention.
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post #57 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:32pm
'Bull Durham' was a pretty decent movie, as I recall. I haven't seen it in some time.

How do you people regard 'For the Love of the Game'? The scenes surrounding baseball are pretty well done, but the main romance plot that drives the film is pretty weak and predictable.
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post #58 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:33pm
And let's not forget that brilliant summation of baseball and what it means to America- THE FAN.
DeNiro seems to be at the center of every great baseball movie. When he shaved his leg with a hunting knife I understood perfectly what this game is all about.
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post #59 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
Bull Durham routinely beats Field of Dreams in "best baseball movie of all time" discussions. That's another great one, but I almost always forget about it for some reason.
PRIDE OF THE YANKEES?
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post #60 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:45pm
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I think the original Bad News Bears does a pretty good job of doing this. C'mon, the movie ends with the Bears losing to their rival and engaging in some underage drinking: "Hey, Yankees! You can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" Hell, I'm trying to figure out how a thread that's devolved into a discussion of baseball movies could have gone two pages without a Bears mention.
Goddamn I love that movie. From Tanner's racially charged speech to Chico's Bail Bonds to child abuse on the Little League pitcher's mound everything in that movie is subverted bullshit sentiment. And there's no greater moment than to cheer Tanner's fuck you to the Yankees followed by a beer spraying celebration set to "Toreodor." I could watch that movie a hundred times.
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post #61 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:49pm
Yeah, Billy Bob Thornton was great in that.
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post #62 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by The_Bodhisattva View Post
Goddamn I love that movie. From Tanner's racially charged speech to Chico's Bail Bonds to child abuse on the Little League pitcher's mound everything in that movie is subverted bullshit sentiment. And there's no greater moment than to cheer Tanner's fuck you to the Yankees followed by a beer spraying celebration set to "Toreodor." I could watch that movie a hundred times.
The funniest part is that it's the antithesis of the typical sports movie and, yet, manages to be one of the most realistic.

Matches, Walter Matthau told me to tell you to stick it where the sun don't shine.
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post #63 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by Matches_Malone View Post
Yeah, Billy Bob Thornton was great in that.
I can't believe I forgot to mention "fuck the remake" in my first post. How could Richard Linklater be so tone-deaf to what made the original so great?
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post #64 of 103
5/29/09 at 2:57pm
At least he didn't cast Jack Black.
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post #65 of 103
5/29/09 at 3:04pm
I'm forever grateful that I was able to grow up on numerous TV airings of THE BAD NEWS BEARS. The kids in that film were just tremendous. So much more relatable than those do-gooder nancies from THE SANDLOT.
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post #66 of 103
5/29/09 at 3:07pm
Yeah, if the Bears lost a ball they wouldn't pool their cash together to buy another one. They'd just steal it.
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post #67 of 103
5/29/09 at 3:11pm
They probably could have just had Jackie Earle Haley jump the fence with his motorcycle, grab the ball himself, then put a cigarette out in that dog's eye.
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post #68 of 103
5/29/09 at 3:13pm
I loved 'The Bad News Bears'. I saw it once in the theater and countless times on TV. 'The Bad News Bears Go to Japan' and 'Here Come the Tigers' were terrible follow ups, though.
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post #69 of 103
5/29/09 at 3:17pm
My thread didn't get this many hits. http://chud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106288

Obligatory not searching for old threads comment.

Still love the flick.
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post #70 of 103
5/29/09 at 3:23pm
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My thread didn't get this many hits. http://chud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106288

Obligatory not searching for old threads comment.

Still love the flick.
Let that be a lesson. Negativity sells.

Hey Rath, what happened in the last 15 months to change your tune about FIELD?
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post #71 of 103
5/29/09 at 3:25pm
A newfound appreciation for the work of Dwier Brown, I hope.
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post #72 of 103
5/29/09 at 3:33pm
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Let that be a lesson. Negativity sells.
On these boards? No doubt.

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Hey Rath, what happened in the last 15 months to change your tune about FIELD?
I don't think he's changed his tune that much? Still likes the film. He's just pointing out different (I wouldn't necessarily say better) examples of baseball movies.
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post #73 of 103
5/29/09 at 3:39pm
You could be right. Just seemed like his praising of, in his view, better baseball films and expressing what they got right that FIELD got wrong flew in the face of the "I like it a lot, except for Lancaster" opinion expressed in the thread you created not too long ago. But I don't dare put words in his mouth.
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post #74 of 103
5/29/09 at 3:57pm
Lancaster was the best part of the movie! Sacrilege!
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post #75 of 103
5/29/09 at 4:08pm
This may sound stupid to some of you but I don't care...

I've never really looked at Field of Dreams as a "baseball movie." Not even a sports movie, really. It certainly isn't that in the same way that A League of Their Own or Goal: The Dream Begins are sports movies.

But I guess that's besides the point.

Field of Dreams is schmaltzy, tacky and has not aged into the perennial Capraesque fable that I'm sure Phil Alden Robinson intended.

But I still have to leave the room for a couple of minutes when Costner's voice breaks and he says: "Dad? Wanna have a catch?" lest I embarrass myself by weeping like a two-dollar whore on a Sunday morning.
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post #76 of 103
5/29/09 at 4:15pm
Actually it is a movie about baseball, but it's not a baseball movie. Not a sports movie.

Yes, the entire movie exists for the cathartic father son moment, and it made me cry when I was fourteen, and it still makes me cry.

I'm a puss for this movie.
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post #77 of 103
5/29/09 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti View Post
They probably could have just had Jackie Earle Haley jump the fence with his motorcycle, grab the ball himself, then put a cigarette out in that dog's eye.
Yeah, really. He probably would've beaten the piss out of Benny the Jet while he was at it. I still don't know how that concession stand chick makes it through the movie alive with out suffering the lethal wrath of Haley. Only problem with that would be that if he had we'd lose Buttermaker's outstanding line, "Thank you, sir" when he's presented with the second place trophy.
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post #78 of 103
5/29/09 at 5:33pm
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EIGHT MEN OUT?
World Series.
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post #79 of 103
5/29/09 at 5:50pm
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And the beginning scene--where Amy Madigan tells off the PTA-reminds us how the Boomers were the real 'greatest generation'. (They stopped a war, man!)
Really? I thought that was possibly the worst scene of the film. So phony.
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post #80 of 103
5/29/09 at 6:04pm
I like the film but that scene has always grated on me. I don't know how Ed Harris can live with that women. No wonder he's so moody.

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World Series.
But EIGHT doesn't spend the movie leading up to the World Series. It's probably done before the halfway point of the film.
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post #81 of 103
5/29/09 at 6:07pm
I guess Eight Men Out has it both ways. It's about the winning and losing, but also about the (lost) innocence of just playing for the joy of it.

What makes FOD stand out for me is that there's no element of competition at all-- not even an opposing team.
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post #82 of 103
5/29/09 at 6:09pm
What about the dastardly Timothy Busfield? He's the opposing team.
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post #83 of 103
5/29/09 at 6:11pm
They're showing Field of Dreams in Centennial Park in two weeks as part of the Screen on the Green series here in Atlanta, if anyone's interested. I might try to catch it-- haven't seen it since... well, since it first hit VHS, I believe.
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post #84 of 103
5/29/09 at 6:17pm
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They're showing Field of Dreams in Centennial Park in two weeks as part of the Screen on the Green series here in Atlanta, if anyone's interested. I might try to catch it-- haven't seen it since... well, since it first hit VHS, I believe.
Is this same as "Light Up Altanta"?
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post #85 of 103
5/29/09 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
'Bull Durham' was a pretty decent movie, as I recall. I haven't seen it in some time.

How do you people regard 'For the Love of the Game'? The scenes surrounding baseball are pretty well done, but the main romance plot that drives the film is pretty weak and predictable.
Bull Durham was sheer unabashed fun for me.

For the Love of the Game's baseball scenes were excellent and had they lost or toned down the love story I'd say it was great. I'd watch it again if it was on.
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post #86 of 103
5/30/09 at 1:26am
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You and me both, man. But what's the standing on Bull Durham?
The standing on Bull Durham was that I had to sit down to hide my erection when I was 13.

God damn was Sarandon sex on legs in that movie.

Oh and there was some baseball in it too at points I vaguely recall.

But Sarandon? God daaaaaamn.
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post #87 of 103
5/30/09 at 1:34am
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Originally Posted by Matches_Malone View Post
Is this same as "Light Up Altanta"?
No. I'd never heard of that 'til I looked it up just now. Screen on the Green is usually in Piedmont Park, each Thursday night in June at dusk. This year it's at Centennial. Free admission, usually a fun experience.
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post #88 of 103
5/30/09 at 1:53am
Bang the Drum Slowly. The best baseball film, from upon one of the best books ever written about the sport (Mark Harris wrote an excellent series of books from the point of view of a strong starting pitcher, Henry Wiggin).

A pre-Taxi Driver Robert DeNiro plays Bruce Pearson, dying throughout a championship season run - a Lou Gehrig without the talent, a journeyman catcher. Michael Moriarty's wily pitcher takes Pearson under his wing. Vincent Gardenia, equal parts Stengel and Torre as the Yankees/Mammoths manager, is gold; Marshall Efron is adorable as his put-upon assistant.

One of the great 70s flicks. So much better than Bull Durham, Field of Dreams, etc.
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post #89 of 103
5/30/09 at 2:02am
There's a horrible scene at the end of ANGELS IN THE OUTFIELD where Danny Glover implies to the orphan he's befriended during the movie, J.P., that he won't be adopting him. J.P. gets upset and runs away. Danny Glover is then all, "Haha, just kidding, I could never leave you behind J.P.!"

Just awful parenting.
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post #90 of 103
5/30/09 at 2:05am
The lack of mention for "Hoosiers" is disturbing.

But the love for Miracle and Slap Shot is awesome as they are my two favorite Sports Movies.

Field of Dreams is one of those movies you know isn't great, makes little sense (he time travels back to the 70's at one point..WTF...) but is still a movie you can't quite turn away from when it's on TV. I hardly ever watch it but I'm glad to have it in my DVD library.

Oh yeah...Fuck Bull Durham...that is a piece of crap sports movie...
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post #91 of 103
5/30/09 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti View Post
You could be right. Just seemed like his praising of, in his view, better baseball films and expressing what they got right that FIELD got wrong flew in the face of the "I like it a lot, except for Lancaster" opinion expressed in the thread you created not too long ago. But I don't dare put words in his mouth.
I still like Field of Dreams a lot, but there are better baseball movies out there.
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post #92 of 103
5/30/09 at 10:01am
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The lack of mention for "Hoosiers" is disturbing.
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I thought this was a thread about Field of Dreams that had devolved into all baseball movies. If not, and its just a sports movies thread, then shit yeah, Hoosiers.
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post #93 of 103
5/30/09 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
I like a League Of Their Own quite a lot, actually. It's a lot of fun, and I'm madly in love with Geena Davis. The Sandlot is also a childhood favorite, though I'm very much afraid to go back and revisit it (if I recall, it has "all children yelling all the time" syndrome) to find out how dumb I was.
The Sandlot is OK; IMO it tries too hard to take the Christmas Story template ("Kids are basically OK as long as you watch out for their manipulative bastard streak") and graft it onto baseball.

Its modest charms greatly overshadow its minor flaws.
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post #94 of 103
5/30/09 at 12:37pm
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How do you people regard 'For the Love of the Game'? The scenes surrounding baseball are pretty well done, but the main romance plot that drives the film is pretty weak and predictable.
I regard For Love of the Game as Raimi's "Classic" movie - the love story is predictable, but aren't they all? It's a grand romance - as Costner's life-long love, baseball, slips away from him, he realizes he is throwing away his other great love. Schmatzy? Sure. But tweak the story a smidge and you can easily see Gary Cooper (or maybe Gregoy Peck) and Ingrid Bergman making this film in 1951.
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post #95 of 103
5/30/09 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by Subotai View Post
Bang the Drum Slowly.
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So much better than Bull Durham, Field of Dreams, etc.
Agreed. The running gag about the card game is hilarious, and the scene of De Niro struggling to catch that pop fly just breaks me.
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post #96 of 103
5/30/09 at 6:30pm
I love Field of Dreams just for the Baltimore Orioles usage of the speech. When Cal Ripken was about ready to break Gehrig's streak, they started playing bits of James Earl Jones waxing philosophical about baseball in the stadium, and started doing it again when he was getting ready to retire. Having that speech get linked to a sports hero of mine makes it extra special to me I guess. Major League has special meaning for me as an O's fan too, only because the O's have some terrible seasons, and the "we suck" lines of League end up being handy.
As far as For Love of the Game, not great as a whole, but a fun date movie. You have a romance story for her, and a guy pitching a perfect game (against the Yankees! HA!) for him. Horrible baseball flick that hasn't been mentioned, Mr. Baseball, AKA, Tom Selleck plays baseball in Japan. Ugh.
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post #97 of 103
5/30/09 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Miller
Fucking awesome baseball flick that hasn't been mentioned, Mr. Baseball, AKA, Tom Selleck plays baseball in Japan with Dennis Haysbert. Fuck yeah!
Right on Chris, right the fuck on.

*sue me, I'm a sucker for Selleck and Haysbert so this movie was like a huge mancrushgasm for me.
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post #98 of 103
5/30/09 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Miller View Post
I love Field of Dreams just for the Baltimore Orioles usage of the speech. When Cal Ripken was about ready to break Gehrig's streak, they started playing bits of James Earl Jones waxing philosophical about baseball in the stadium, and started doing it again when he was getting ready to retire. Having that speech get linked to a sports hero of mine makes it extra special to me I guess. Major League has special meaning for me as an O's fan too, only because the O's have some terrible seasons, and the "we suck" lines of League end up being handy.
As far as For Love of the Game, not great as a whole, but a fun date movie. You have a romance story for her, and a guy pitching a perfect game (against the Yankees! HA!) for him. Horrible baseball flick that hasn't been mentioned, Mr. Baseball, AKA, Tom Selleck plays baseball in Japan. Ugh.
I think its funny that most baseball movies always use the Yankees as the bad guy. Makes you wonder if in 10 years or so the Red Sox are portrayed that way.
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post #99 of 103
5/30/09 at 9:03pm
Sports movie tangent: has anyone seen Gracie? I remember reading a good, interesting review from Devin, and then hearing nothing else from anyone. Guess I should check it out some day.
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post #100 of 103
5/30/09 at 9:54pm
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks View Post
Right on Chris, right the fuck on.

*sue me, I'm a sucker for Selleck and Haysbert so this movie was like a huge mancrushgasm for me.
Sigh, enjoy your Missa Basaboro (it's not racially insensitive if it's a direct quote, right?)
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I think its funny that most baseball movies always use the Yankees as the bad guy. Makes you wonder if in 10 years or so the Red Sox are portrayed that way.
That's like saying Elmer Fudd may one day surpass Jason Voorhees. Of course, that's the opinion of a man who can't stand the Yankees, and only dislikes the Red Sox when we're losing to them.
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