Originally Posted by Diva
But people trying to claim some reactions don't count is why we'll never get past racism in this society.
I'm not in any way trying to deny you the ability to be offended by jokes about black people using drugs, being criminals, etc as I can totally understand that. However, I do stand by the right to deny some people their reactions.
Some people (certainly not all) of ALL groups will use ANYTHING to deny responsibility for bad things in their lives. They will blame it on race, religion, gender, age... anything so they don't have to own up to having flaws. I have known people who were sure they didn't get the interview because their Italian name was on the resume, or because we all know how no one would hire a woman for that job. Don't get me wrong, there IS discrimination based on all those things. But that doesn't mean that every time something bad happens to someone or a joke is make about someone, it is actually discrimination.
I mean, if the comedian was a "dirty hippie" who was a pot-smoking, theiving, lazy ass would be be worried about discrimination against dirty hippies? How about Irish drinking stereotypes? Or the joy of the Conan geeky stereotypes?
I am anti-racism but I think the solution isn't to require ALL portrayals of blacks to be positive and uplifting.
I'd rather see The Cosby Show than any Tyler Perry enterprise. However, it's not everyone's cup of tea. Some people like Margaret Cho doing gay jokes more than they like Ellen being a friendly host who happens to be gay.
Comedy is often very insulting and plays on stereotypes. It is what it is. You don't have to like it or find it funny. It can be offensive. Conan is pretty awkward, and always has been. He prefers a live audience and the ability to talk to them (including to tell them not to laugh at his stupid jokes). I find him too self-effacing but it's the same schtick he's been doing for decades. I think (hope) they are being pretty broad and derivative initially because they are trying hard to do the somewhat safe version before they bring in other rather offensive things (masturbating bears aren't exactly family-friendly).
Unfortunately, "safe" in comedy is a lot of jokes about race, obesity, etc.