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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I am a big Flogging Molly fan, and I was talking to Dave King at Ryan's pub in New Orleans after a show at the House of Blues, and he told me that The Pogues were a big influence on his music ans writing. I didn't want to look like a douche in front of probably my favorite musician in the world, so I didn't ask him what I'm asking you all.

Where is a good place to start with the Pogues? I'd like to get some of their stuff, so perhaps the next time I see Dave, I might be able to talk to him a bit more about music.

Fortunately, he's also a Johnny Cash fan. I can hold my own there. BTW Dennis Casey, Dave King and Bridget Regan might be the nicest people ever.


DaveB, I know you can help me here, sir. Any input from anyone is appreciated.
post #2 of 22
Start with If I Should Fall From Grace With God, followed by Rum Sodomy & The Lash. I'd almost just recommend Look 'Em Straight In The Eye and Say...POGUEMAHONE!, their anthology/rare tracks collection, but it might still be kinda pricey.
post #3 of 22
Well...

The Pogues are actually pretty simple to get into. They recorded a total of five albums with their original lineup (the first three being the really "essential" ones) and those five are constantly being reshuffled into various "best ofs", which usually cover the most important stuff.

Their main strength is in the songwriting of Shane MacGowan, which is shown to best advantage on their second album "Rum Sodomy and the Lash" (also their best-sounding album) and third "If I Should Fall From Grace With God" (probably the best collection of MacGowan originals, and one of the albums that never leaves my mp3 player). Both albums are lifeblood to me (I grew up listening to the Clancy Brothers).

Their first album "Red Roses For Me" would be the next purchase. It's nearly as good, but I don't think the originals are quite as outstanding as on the next two.

There was an EP released between albums two and three, called "Poguetry in Motion", which features what is arguably MacGowan's best song ("The Body of an American", featured prominently in the series finale of The Wire), as well as two more terrific originals and a nice band instrumental. These turn up on various CD collections (though the original 4-song CD is probably long out of print).

Those three albums plus EP have been the core of the band's live set in the two decades plus since their release (they seem to reunite every few years, so long as MacGowan can stand, though he really looks like hell these days).

Albums four and five ("Peace and Love" and "Hell's Ditch") show the band moving slightly away from their trad roots, but they suffer from the Creedence effect: a genuinely genius songwriter is forced (by health or just a need to appease the troops) to record originals by the rest of the band, and with rare exception, there's nothing to touch his best stuff. So I recommend both albums, but only after you have the others.

The Pogues continued on without MacGowan for a couple of pretty forgettable albums (I've even forgotten the names), and they're not unlistenable, but as I say, not memorable either.

There's quite a bit of one-off and B-side material that turns up on CD reissues and/or collections. Their Motown one-off "Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah" is a real hoot, and was nearly a hit in the U.S. I'm also partial to some of their traditional non-album tracks (notably "The Limerick Rake" and "The Parting Glass") which again sometimes turn up on various reissues or anthologies.

As I say, MacGowan's drinking is wearing him out pretty fast (though I suppose you could also argue that the fact that he's even still alive is a testament to its preservative powers), but with his subsequent band, The Popes, he has put out two kickass studio albums ("The Snake" and "The Crock of Gold") and a great live set called "The Rare Oul' Stuff". There's also a decent live album of a Pogues reunion show from 2001 called "Live at Brixton Academy." Avoid the one called "Streams of Whiskey"-- not only was it released without the band's permission, but the sound isn't nearly as good as the Brixton release.

I was thinking of going to see them again a couple years back, when they were playing San Francisco's Fillmore... but the tickets were $75. The last time I saw them at The Filllmore, tickets were $15! (yeah, yeah, I know. I'm old!)

ETA: To get really technical, only the first two Pogues albums feature the original lineup. After album two, bassist Cait O'Riordan went off to have kids with Elvis Costello. She did one lovely lead vocal on album two ("I'm A Man You Don't Meet Every Day"), but apart from that, the change wasn't really significant.
post #4 of 22
Jake's advice is right on the money, though I like the Joe Strummer-produced Hell's Ditch a lot, too. Saw the Pogues play a few months back and was completely blown away. They had a little tent set up on stage where Shane would go and hang out every few songs while somebody else sang lead or they played an instrumental. You could understand every word he said when he sang, but when he spoke it was "Harahahah...joboyee? Harrraharrauhgh..." Greatness.

*Edit: Or you could listen to Jeb, who sounds a million billion times more knowledgeable than me on the subject.
post #5 of 22
I'd say if you're going to get one Pogues album, Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash is the one to get. The remastered CD version is great, too, because it sticks the excellent Poguetry in Motion EP on the end. I certainly can't argue with Jake, though; If I Should Fall From Grace With God is also essential (I just like Rum better), and if you combine that with Look 'Em Straight In The Eye and Say...POGUEMAHONE!, you'll probably have all the Pogues you'll need (and also a duplicate of my Pogues collection).
post #6 of 22
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Wow, you guys rock. Thanks a million.
post #7 of 22
I'd put "If I Should Fall..." ahead of "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" but as you can tell from what everybody has posted it's pretty much a matter of personal preference and those are definitely the two that you should pick up.

About a year ago the original Pogues lineup played Vegas and I'll be kicking myself for the rest of my life that I didn't drop the cash to fly out there. They still do a good number of European shows with Shane singing now and hopefully they'll hit the US again soon so I can remedy my horrible mistake.
post #8 of 22
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After album two, bassist Cait O'Riordan went off to have kids with Elvis Costello. She did one lovely lead vocal on album two ("I'm A Man You Don't Meet Every Day")
Lovely voice. She did another song I love,"Haunted" from Sid and Nancy.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QFiawrtcUE

(MacGowan and Sinead O'Connor did a version of the same song later, which was not quite as great but still great)
post #9 of 22
Sounds like I'm way more a fan of Peace and Love than most here, but I think the mix of songwriters really worked on that album. In fact, some of my favorite Pogues songs are the non-MacGowan contributions on there, like "Lorelei," "Young Ned of the Hill," and "Blue Heaven." I actually rank it with If I Should Fall from Grace with God, and parts of Hell's Ditch not far behind.

I'd certainly go with If I Should Fall from Grace... first since it sticks more to their signature sound (with only slight departures that they indulged much more on subsequent albums). But, personally, I'd pick up Peace and Love before Rum, Sodomy, & the Lash and definitely before Red Roses for Me.
post #10 of 22
To each their own, obviously, but the non-MacGowan stuff has just never grabbed me much.

But as I say, with only a total of five albums, it's not that hard to grab the whole MacGowan era Pogues catalog anyway.
post #11 of 22
Also, I saw MacGowan play a solo show a few years ago and spent some time in the front row. If you should ever find yourself in this situation, do not look directly at his mouth.
post #12 of 22
Jaysus, yes.
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
Sounds like I'm way more a fan of Peace and Love than most here, but I think the mix of songwriters really worked on that album. In fact, some of my favorite Pogues songs are the non-MacGowan contributions on there, like "Lorelei," "Young Ned of the Hill," and "Blue Heaven." I actually rank it with If I Should Fall from Grace with God, and parts of Hell's Ditch not far behind.
I'm a sucker for all Pogues and actually like Peace and Love quite a bit, but I've gathered from talking with friends that I like it quite a bit more than they do. It also has one of my favorite album covers of all time. I wouldn't put it quite up to If I Should Fall From Grace With God though, which seems pretty close to perfection to me.
post #14 of 22
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Also, I saw MacGowan play a solo show a few years ago and spent some time in the front row. If you should ever find yourself in this situation, do not look directly at his mouth.
Barf. Pictures are good enough, thanks.

Speaking of which, has anyone here read "A Drink With Shane MacGowan"? Thoughts?
post #15 of 22
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Barf. Pictures are good enough, thanks.

Speaking of which, has anyone here read "A Drink With Shane MacGowan"? Thoughts?
Yeah, got it as a birthday gift some years back. It's pretty much a mess (with MacGowan's then live-in girlfriend conducting a Q&A with Shane), and really doesn't cover as much of the musical territory that we're interested in, devoting too much space to Shane's observations on life, love, politics, etc.

Not that those aren't interesting, but they're given disproportionate weight relative to his musical career (which is the only reason anyone cares what he thinks about other matters in the first place).

See if the library has it.
post #16 of 22
Pogues have announced West Coast dates in October/November. Pre-sale tickets go on sale tomorrow, they want you to register for their site for access but the login of "pogues" and password of "tickets" is what you get for doing that so feel free to utilize it.

They're coming to Phoenix for the first time ever, and I can't wait.
post #17 of 22
Fuck yeah. Thanks for the heads-up. I missed them (WITH TED LEO AND THE RX'S OPENING!) a while back, so this is perfect.
post #18 of 22
Thanks for the heads-up. The SF dates aren't ready for sale yet (though they are listed) and I fear they'll be priced out of my current comfort zone (as I say, a couple years ago they were $75), but we'll see.
post #19 of 22
Nothing is on sale until 3 pm PST tomorrow. Kind of odd that they don't have prices listed yet either, but all of this seems to be on Pogue time anyhow. They announced a month ago they were looking at the West Coast, then suddenly today they announce that tickets go on sale tomorrow.
post #20 of 22
Eh, not too bad: two SF shows, $56 general admission for each. If they don't sell out right away, I'll probably pick up a ticket next month.
post #21 of 22
Yeah, I got 2 tickets for the Phoenix show at $55 each plus about $9 in all the crappy charges they add on.
post #22 of 22
6 days away, so I'm bumping this because I'm stoked.
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