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post #1 of 18
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Easily one of the more debated series in the ongoing 'Anime: Only for Paedophiles?" debate the series western influences have allowed it stand out from the crowd.

I personally flip flop all the time on the relative merits of the show. On the one hand it's got an incredibly weak start, the Spike/Vicious duel is when things really get going for me personally, it's gratingly 'hip' and Ed as a character typifies a lot of what their is to hate about anime in general. But then you have the cool stuff, like the really beautiful animation, the stand alone nature of the episodes, the absolutely brilliant music and surprisingly tight plotting (considering most stories run about twenty minutes and are usually book ended by Spike and Jet complaining about food).

In my view it's up there with Miyazaki, Akira, Last Exile and Ghost in the Shell in the 'anime to give a damn' about stakes and I'm curious how far the backlash against the show has spread.
post #2 of 18
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Or alternatively you could go to this thread

http://chud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113212

I have no idea how my searches for 'Bebop' and 'Spiegel' didn't pick that one up
post #3 of 18
It's a terrifically fun series that get's better as the series goes on, the series builds plot through character, although Spike's is the most mysterious, each of the cast get's their own time, I just like the idea of these people coming together, forming a kind of family and then splintering apart.

The series references everything from westerns to blaxploitation films and the music is just a great mix of styles.

I'm also a huge fan of the movie version.
post #4 of 18
I've got the whole series on DVD. This and "Samurai Champloo" are great shows and I can see why so many many anime fanboys brag about them. Yet there are other animes out there that are really quite great like "Basilisk", "Gantz", or even the super bloody "Elfen Lied".
post #5 of 18
I got the remix collection of this, it sounds absolutely fantastic. It's mixed in 5.1 and the image has been improved as well but not by much.
post #6 of 18
Yeah, this is one of those rare instances where I'd triple dip on a TV show without batting an eyelash should a Blu Ray collection happen. This series in 1080p would be godly.
post #7 of 18
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Yeah, this is one of those rare instances where I'd triple dip on a TV show without batting an eyelash should a Blu Ray collection happen. This series in 1080p would be godly.
Now that i think about it, there isnt much Blu-ray anime releases here in the west, right? Compared to regular DVD releases. its like the format has caught on or may be too big an investment for western anime companies.
Bebop is probably the one id love to see get one.
post #8 of 18
I think Samurai Champloo is available in blu-ray.
post #9 of 18
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Now that i think about it, there isnt much Blu-ray anime releases here in the west, right? Compared to regular DVD releases. its like the format has caught on or may be too big an investment for western anime companies.
Bebop is probably the one id love to see get one.
I'm willing to bet the cost factor is a huge stopping point. From what I heard, the sound remastering of Akira into 7.1 was not a small endeavor for Pioneer. They wanted that sucker to be a demo disc, and it shows. Same goes for the Ghost In The Shell 2.0 BR and the new CG visuals.

I know Appleseed got an HD upgrade, and there's a super rare (and supposedly fantastic looking) Region Free Wings of Honneamise out there, but yeah, it's still a slow process.

Which sucks because even upscaled, Ninja Scroll is sexy as hell.
post #10 of 18
You know, this series was pretty good, but the movie they managed to make really outshone the series in its entirety. I think I am going to go back and watch the whole thing, now that you brought it up again. Perfect New Year's Day activity if I've ever heard of one!
post #11 of 18
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I know Appleseed got an HD upgrade, and there's a super rare (and supposedly fantastic looking) Region Free Wings of Honneamise out there, but yeah, it's still a slow process.
I have the DVD half of the Wings set(my friend sold the Blu and gave me the DVD), and even on DVD, it's amazing looking. Anything would look amazing compared to the old disc(one of the worst transfers ever), but they did a really great job. If the Blu looks as good as the Blu should, I'm sure it's great.

That set is really expensive though.
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
You know, this series was pretty good, but the movie they managed to make really outshone the series in its entirety. I think I am going to go back and watch the whole thing, now that you brought it up again. Perfect New Year's Day activity if I've ever heard of one!
I'm not sure I agree it's better than the entire series but I do love the movie version, it's like a distillation of the series existentialism. That massive chase scene is amazing, just fucking epic.
post #13 of 18
I thought the movie was really good, but just a tad overlong. A few bits dragged.

Agreed about the chase that leads to the monorail. Pretty awesome. Love the music in that bit as well.
post #14 of 18
The track's called 'What Planet is this', I have a live version of it. I also dig the end credit's song.
post #15 of 18
'What Planet is This' is the song that plays during the dogfight. I haven't watched the movie in a while, but I'm pretty sure it's a different song in the foot chase.
post #16 of 18
Yeah, Planet is the song that plays during the dogfight which is what I meant by the epic chase.
post #17 of 18
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Easily one of the more debated series in the ongoing 'Anime: Only for Paedophiles?" debate the series western influences have allowed it stand out from the crowd.

I personally flip flop all the time on the relative merits of the show. On the one hand it's got an incredibly weak start, the Spike/Vicious duel is when things really get going for me personally, it's gratingly 'hip' and Ed as a character typifies a lot of what their is to hate about anime in general. But then you have the cool stuff, like the really beautiful animation, the stand alone nature of the episodes, the absolutely brilliant music and surprisingly tight plotting (considering most stories run about twenty minutes and are usually book ended by Spike and Jet complaining about food).

In my view it's up there with Miyazaki, Akira, Last Exile and Ghost in the Shell in the 'anime to give a damn' about stakes and I'm curious how far the backlash against the show has spread.

 

 

I've rarely seen it summed up better than that. I can't speak about its place in anime, because I've barely seen any anime other than Bebop and Miyazaki, but it holds up really well against almost any live-action action or sci fi series I can think of.

 

And I was just thinking about this series the other day as a show which got a lot of mileage out of being playful with various genres, not in as bald-faced a way as something like The Simpsons or Community, more in a Tarantino kind of way. It's sometimes dismissed as being style over substance but in reality I don't find it that way any more than anything the likes of Tarantino or Edgar Wright have ever made. Maybe what the works of those darlings and Cowboy Bebop have in common is a filmic love and celebration of style which may sometimes be shot through with the odd genuinely touching and heartfelt scene but which generally only aim to entertain by creating vivid characters to follow through various fun/thrilling action set pieces.

 

And at the risk of sparking off yet another subs vs dubs Mexican standoff I'm guessing that if you've given it a shot before and found it lacking there's a 97% chance you saw the ropey dubbed version. Not that there aren't people who find the dubs to be fine and dandy, just that if you're not an anime fan (and I'm not) the typically corny dubs may repulse you because they may give the show the same corny vibe as every other corny anime. Watching it with the original Japanese actors, as long as you're not bugged by subtitles, was significantly more rewarding for me because instead of sounding like a light-hearted children's cartoon it sounds like a cool Japanese action series.

 

The series feels like it's made by someone who loves Kurosawa and Leone and Noir and Blade Runner. If you love them too I'd say there's a good chance you'd grow to love Cowboy Bebop

post #18 of 18

The AV Club has been doing a pretty interesting episode by episode re-watch and review if any Chewers want to play along.

 

http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/tvshow/cowboy-bebop,185/

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