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post #51 of 65
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Originally Posted by Doc Phibes View Post
A) It's more dramatic and better serving the actors to do it like they did.

B) If you must attempt logic, would you rather swim deep underwater dragging a lifeless body... or one thrashing around while drowning (who happens to be someone you love)? Which swim would be faster?
A) I don't disagree, though if I was thinking about it on the first viewing, it is sort of an important logical hole

B) I'd rather have someone swim half way, then drown while I dragged their body.

C) I really really like the film, I'm not attacking it.
post #52 of 65
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Originally Posted by trench View Post
Under Pressure: The Making of The Abyss. Yeah, it's absolutely terrific. I don't think I'd even given a second thought about how technically difficult it was to make the film until I watched the docu.

If you can't stomach the feature because of the transfer, give Under Pressure a blast instead.
The first time I watched it, I was struck by the thought of how little fun it must have been to shoot that film. Yikes!
post #53 of 65
Count me in as a fan. Does anyone else like Michael Biehn's work here, or is it too unsubtle for most people? I always appreciated how Biehn's men turning on him was handled; they never outright state that they're switching sides or that they realize Biehn's a nutjob, they just start helping Harris and company with no trouble at all.
post #54 of 65
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It's not all of Biehn's men. Only Monk, the injored one.

He made his reasons pretty clear when he explained that Coffey setting off the nuke would kill them all.
post #55 of 65
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It's not all of Biehn's men. Only Monk, the injored one.

He made his reasons pretty clear when he explained that Coffey setting off the nuke would kill them all.
Admittedly, it's been a while since I've seen the movie, so thanks for that correction. I still like that little arc, though.
post #56 of 65
I haven't seen it in years, but I seem to recall the DVD transfer being quite good, even if it wasn't Anamorphic.
post #57 of 65
The director's cut of this is much, much better than Avatar.
post #58 of 65
The theatrical cut of this is better than Avatar.

Not a hater or anything, I dig Avatar quite a bit, but this movie is it's polar opposite as far as Cameron writing characters.
post #59 of 65
Yeah, you're right, it's just I don't even think of the theatrical cut any more.
post #60 of 65
The best thing to come out of Avatars release: The Definative Edition dvd has finally hit shelves here after this film simply not being available at any of the places I shop at for at least 18 months.

I'm really really looking forward to introducing my girl to this one and finally getting to watch it again.
post #61 of 65
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I think we can all agree that the Extended Cut is the better version.
Not so. I've never liked the director's cut of this. I liked the more incidental nature of alien discovery as presented in the theatrical version and not the beat you over the head moralizing of the director's cut. I've always read complaints about the out of nowhere final act with aliens and underwater cities, but this doesn't really come out of nowhere. The very first scene of the film has the sub being strafed by an "alien" craft which sets the whole narrative in motion. The entire film is leading up to the alien reveal so those criticisms always seemed odd to me.

This is another one of those films where the desire to explain the aliens, what they are doing or what their purpose is kind of hurts the film for me. I liked that this was a film that, aside from a few short scenes on the Benthic Explore, took place in a very closed off environment. I mean, the director's cut still does for the most part, but then suddenly the ending opens the whole thing up to a world wide affair so that Cameron can beat an anti-war message into our heads. It's those added megatsunami wave shots that feel out of place for me and not the aliens in the theatrical.

Honestly, I see it as if Spielberg had the mother ship land at the end of Close Encounters and then cut to cities across the globe where other giant ships have parked themselves over major landmarks for some specific purpose. What was a rather focused character study leading up to an awe inspiring discovery for that main character becomes something else entirely and in doing so the focus is lost.
post #62 of 65
I thought it was ironic that Cameron and his Ex Wife are reponsible for two of the best bomb defusion scenes of all time. In ABYSS (which I watched for the first time this year), Cameron puts a genius twist on an age old plot device by having Harris unable to tell what colors the wires were due to the green hue of his glow stick.

Nothing Bigelow does in THL is quite as impressive, but I still find it amusing they both are masters of "It's about to blow up!" scenes
post #63 of 65
I need this movie on Blu-Ray! They need to hurry up and release the damn thing.
post #64 of 65
Google Map of the tank they shot the movie in:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...06539&t=h&z=18

You can see the set inside the tank.
post #65 of 65
One of the most intense movies ever.

I'll never forget Harris' quote to Premiere that summer: "I'm not talking about The Abyss. And I never will."
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