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post #1 of 26
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So, I'm moving at the end of June and I'm packing up all my old shit and tediously going through everything. Naturally, moving is a pain in the ass, but it's also kind of nice in a way. You get to yourself of a lot of useless items (and cleanse a lot of junk you no longer have any emotional attachment to) but then there's that moment where, while going through your boxes of stuff, you stumble across something you forgot about, something that brings back memories, nostalgia, whatever you want to call it, for good or for ill. Sometimes you're even faced with a little dilemma...when you find something and it brings back fond, sad, bittersweet, what-have-you memories and you have to decide...to purge or not to purge?

Anyway, this post/thread is probably just a distraction and I should get back to packing, but does anyone have any good moving stories?
post #2 of 26
Here's a lesson that I've learned on moving: purge all of the dross that you can, otherwise you'll just be moving the same taped-up boxes of stuff over and over again. They're just material things, so learn NOW to let them go.
post #3 of 26
I've moved 14 times, 15 to be coming soon. There are no good moving stories.
post #4 of 26
Just before I graduated college (I had 2 semesters left), I had this fleeting flirtation with re-visiting my father's roots and moved up to Maryland to seek fame and fortune (my father died when I was about 9-10 years old, and I hadn't had much contact with his side of the family since). So, in order to get what I could use up there in my little RX-7, I took only things I knew I'd absolutely need (TV, clothes, video game system, VCR), and moved the things I thought I'd need one day again (bed, dresser, etc.) to a storage unit. Everything else, I threw away. My roommate was also moving to a smaller, 1 BR unit, so he was getting rid of a bunch of stuff as well. We did the bulk of the "cleaning" on one day, and by chance, the dumpster outside of our building (which was like 7 ft high on the sides) had been emptied that morning. By that night, we had completely filled it up again, just between the two of us and all of our shit.
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by Martianman View Post
Just before I graduated college (I had 2 semesters left), I had this fleeting flirtation with re-visiting my father's roots and moved up to Maryland to seek fame and fortune (my father died when I was about 9-10 years old, and I hadn't had much contact with his side of the family since). So, in order to get what I could use up there in my little RX-7, I took only things I knew I'd absolutely need (TV, clothes, video game system, VCR), and moved the things I thought I'd need one day again (bed, dresser, etc.) to a storage unit. Everything else, I threw away. My roommate was also moving to a smaller, 1 BR unit, so he was getting rid of a bunch of stuff as well. We did the bulk of the "cleaning" on one day, and by chance, the dumpster outside of our building (which was like 7 ft high on the sides) had been emptied that morning. By that night, we had completely filled it up again, just between the two of us and all of our shit.
Liberating, isn't it?

My wife and I moved into our current house in 2001. This year, we decided to pretty much fully commit to this house, so we are in the midst of a pretty massive remodel of our kitchen/living room/dining room. We're also using this opportunity to do a serious culling of all of our shit. It feels wonderful.
post #6 of 26
Every month, I go down into the basement, where all the unpacked stuff is, open one box, and sell what's inside on Ebay. This is how I pay for cell phone and internet every month.
post #7 of 26
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I've moved 14 times, 15 to be coming soon. There are no good moving stories.
I was in the hospital for five days for a kidney hemotoma, and my friends all pitched in and moved my stuff for me. That's a pretty good one.
post #8 of 26
Moving sucks so bad. I'm convinced that if there is a hell it is moving over and over and over and over...

Best advice I can give is to sell as much shit as you can before you move. Getting rid of crap rather than moving it is so much easier. And if you're on the fence about something just sell it. It'll make the move easier and unless its a rare collectible you can always buy more of whatever it is.

Only moving story I have is I once helped a friend move out his roommate (another buddy of ours) when the guy was out of the country. We picked up the bed and a few dozen, used condoms fell out. Disgusting. But what makes the story great is that their Jack Russell ate a few of them and threw up half-digested condoms for a day or so.
post #9 of 26
Yeah, I moved out to Wisconsin from DC and besides mailing a few boxes of movies/books/cd's, I took only what would fit in my car (a crappy old Mustang, so not much). It's great to have no junk to tie you down.

I'm considering moving a few states again at the end of the year and am actually excited about throwing out most of my junk. Though I've got stuff now that I'd like to keep like decent furniture, a nice TV, etc., there's still a lot of junk that I can't wait to get rid of.

Of course, my girlfriend doesn't feel that way about the useless garbage she likes to hoard but I think I'll just try to make her throw it out anyway.
post #10 of 26
Did someone say "hoarding"? Love sharing the story of the Collyer Brothers.
post #11 of 26
Movers suck. If you can avoid using them, do so. I've never had them show up on time and, since they're paid by the hour, they take their sweet ass time. Just rent a truck, con a bunch of your friends (usually with beer) and take care of everything in half the time.
post #12 of 26
Beer and pizza is the universal currency of moving. Unfortunately moving always takes longer than expected and everyone's always really tired at the end and the furniture's still in pieces so usually it's just people collapsing around while waiting for the pizza to show up at midnight.
post #13 of 26
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Those who are saying "sell your shit." What's your preferred method? Yard sale, Craig's List, eBay? I'm inclined to either curb it or throw it out mostly because I'm lazy and I doubt most of it will sell. We had a yard sale last weekend and people were balking at dollar prices for fairly good shit.

As for coaxing friends with pizza and beer, that's my method as well. Also, do unto others. If friends need help moving, I help them, selfishly hoping that when my time comes they'll chip in and help.

Also, anyone have any stories like...finding packed up shit you'd never expect to see again? I stumbled across a video of a play I put on with friends from college. Popped it in and watched bits and pieces while packing and it really brought back bittersweet memories. I'll doubt I'll ever watch it again, so I doubt I'll keep it, but it was nice diversion between packing boxes.
post #14 of 26
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Movers suck. If you can avoid using them, do so. I've never had them show up on time and, since they're paid by the hour, they take their sweet ass time. Just rent a truck, con a bunch of your friends (usually with beer) and take care of everything in half the time.
Or don't hire the shitty movers Doc Happenin did. I had a great fucking experience with my last move and didn't pick up one box. Those guys rocked it out and didn't break one thing. And the move took four hours, compared to the 11+ hour moves I've attended for friends. I'll never move without movers again.

I'll even plug them here, they were that awesome:

http://www.mambomovers.com
post #15 of 26
I've craigslisted a bunch of things and you always get less than you want and it takes a ton of time.

If you enjoy having people emailing or calling you and saying they're going to come over and not show up or to show up and then try to haggle you down from $20 to $15 on some stupid little thing, craigslist is the way to go. Basically what I did was the math on how much it's going to cost me to move stuff vs. how much I thought I'd get from craigslist and buy new. If they ended up close to the same amount I'd just try to sell it.

Ebay I'm not willing to spend the time mailing all the stuff (and with furniture and that kind of thing it's not worth the hassle). Books I tend to just give to libraries if they're worthwhile or recycle/put out on free craiglist if they're not. Usually I try to just throw things away ... it always reminds me that the useless garbage I'm attempting to buy actually has no value. I can always say, "remember all that junk you threw out last time you moved, if you buy this now it will turn into that by next year"
post #16 of 26
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... it always reminds me that the useless garbage I'm attempting to buy actually has no value. I can always say, "remember all that junk you threw out last time you moved, if you buy this now it will turn into that by next year"
That exact same thoughts been going through my head a lot these past couple of days...
post #17 of 26
Advice on moving day: start as early in the day as you can and just motor through it. Ideally, you'll be done by noon and can grab lunch afterwards. Most of your movers will be totally useless after eating lunch, so hold off on the food as long as you can.

Also, don't get too many people to help you move. They end up just getting in the way.
post #18 of 26
If you're not moving far, and you have access to the new place, move in increments. My last move I spread out over about 3 days. I did my boxes one day, then my TV/Computer/various electronics on day 2, then on day 3 I got up early, and we moved all the furniture. It worked out pretty good, and we were completely done moving, into two different places no less, by noon.
post #19 of 26
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Or don't hire the shitty movers Doc Happenin did. I had a great fucking experience with my last move and didn't pick up one box. Those guys rocked it out and didn't break one thing. And the move took four hours, compared to the 11+ hour moves I've attended for friends. I'll never move without movers again.

I'll even plug them here, they were that awesome:

http://www.mambomovers.com
I spent all of my college summers working for a small moving company, humping people's shit anywhere to/from east of the Mississippi, and tell anyone who can afford it (and don't forget in most cases it's tax-deductible -- pretty sure?) to hire movers, after shopping around for them -- and not just for the cheapest rate/estimate. Especially if you have a lot of big pieces of furniture, stairs with turns, and always if you're moving appliances.

If you don't have personal, trustworthy referrals to go by like Phil's, even go so far as to visit their offices, and early in the morning before the crews head out; sneak a peek at who's likely to be touching your stuff. And, speaking from the other side, there's some horror-story customers out there, too, as well as the usual pain in the ass.

If you hire movers:

1) Be ready to move on moving day. Don't have "oh just a few more boxes to finish packing." Packing a truck quickly and safely requires knowing exactly what's getting packed in it. If you hire them to pack as well, don't be surprised at just how much paper and boxes your shit requires. It's not a racket; yes, the mark-up on cardboard boxes is probably ridiculous (why I always recommend packing yourself, in free liquor boxes from the ABC and newspaper), but the moving company's goal -- and especially the poor-slob packers and movers -- is to not have to deal with claims (and in the mover's case, possibly lose an incentive bonus from their employer that partially makes up for the crap pay), not make a few extra $$ off materials.

2) Treat em well. It only makes sense to suck up to the guys who'll be moving your possessions. Offer them water, lemonade, whatever in the summer; water, hot tea, coffee if it's a dreaded winter move. Water's just smart; someone will always to forget their own, and you don't want him to cramp while your sleeper sofa is halfway up a stairwell. Tell them when they show up that for whoever wants it lunch is on you once the truck is loaded, or at the end of the job if it's a quick half-day move. And have it waiting for them, try to time it right. It's only human nature to be more conscious and careful with the stuff of someone you like, and who's treating you to food/liquids.

3) Get out of the way once they start loading the truck. Don't keep offering help or making suggestions, although be nearby for questions. And for certain be nearby for questions once the unload starts. Hopefully all your boxes are well-labeled, and you already know where you want the furniture to go, but don't make the movers hunt you down. Don't ask them to rearrange the furniture after it's put down, you're only wasting their time and your money. Obvious, but you'd be surprised how tempting it can be once you have movers in the place. "Hey, would you mind trying it over there? Just for a second."

4) Tip your movers. "Lunch, liquids, and cash!? None of that was in the estimate!" Yeah. It's worth it, and they're probably not making a lot of money themselves, hauling your things around for you, and if it's a good job done well there should be a mutual appreciation society happening. Back in the early 90s to us starving students, $10 earned a shrug "whatever," $20 especially on a fast half-day local job was much appreciated, long hauls (with the same crew) would merit at least $20 on each end, and at least $50 for a big-ass full-day (or overnight) job with twisting stairs, long walks, monster TVs, refrigerators, upright pianos, etc. that was well done. Mark up accordingly for '09. I may be moving this year, probably a half-day furniture and book/album boxes only (breakables moved myself), and I plan on budgeting for $50 a man. (Sort of how people who used to wait tables always go 20% or more.)

5) If an accident happens, unless the guy's a genuinely careless fuck up who predictably fucked up (I worked with my share of those), try to rein in the ballistics. Odds are excellent that he fucked himself over by scratching that wall or cracking that table leg, and is already running through his head the shit he's gonna eat and possibly the bonus money's he's out himself. Just keep careful track of everything as it comes in -- no one begrudges a during-the-job inspection (as long as you stay out of the movers' way, see above) -- and if there's anything wrong, bring it to the crew chief's attention and deal with the paperwork. Spring for the insurance beforehand (something else to shop around for when getting estimates), especially if you have any particularly nice pieces you're worried about.

There's probably other stuff, but that's the primer I run down for friends and family when they plan a move. And then they say, "You were a mover?" and I end up helping them move, crew chief for pizza and beer. I eventually had to cut people off, explaining "If you can afford to buy now, not rent, you can afford to hire movers, goddammit."

Moving yourself is often the way to go for simplicity's sake, especially if you only have a couple rooms worth of stuff and easy terrain to maneuver. God knows I've done it enough (see above). But packing the truck well is key; if folks want I can give a quick and dirty lesson.

Oh yeah, last tip: If you have any old furniture/big stuff (not clothes) you were planning on donating to the Salvation Army or Goodwill as part of the move, feel free to offer it to your movers, if they can haul it for you (edit: that day). Saves you the hassle of humping it to a drop off or arranging a pick-up, and everyone (especially a starving student) likes free shit. Back in college, I eventually furnished most of my apartment this way, with an entertainment center/wall unit, rowing machine, matching coffee and end tables, a five-piece sectional sofa, and a reel-to-reel player (with a full box of vintage tape reels the family was happy to dump off, from disco to classical!).

As for moving stories, Christ. Way too many. Nothing spells adventure like an overnight double move to/from NYC with a $30 per diem "expense account." Cheap bastard company.
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by Trav McGee View Post
Moving yourself is often the way to go for simplicity's sake, especially if you only have a couple rooms worth of stuff and easy terrain to maneuver. God knows I've done it enough (see above). But packing the truck well is key; if folks want I can give a quick and dirty lesson.
I would be interested in just such a lesson.
post #21 of 26
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I would be interested in just such a lesson.
It's one of those things that once you have down, it's kind of a no-brainer. The daily joke was, you want the pack like you want your women -- high and tight. Ha ha! Boy, I tell you, THAT never got old...

This is assuming you have the usual range of the usual stuff. Bed(s), dressers(s), couch, TV, shelf units, a buttload of boxes of varying sizes. (If you just have a few big things and no boxes, simply pad* the nice parts, face them into the wall, and tie them securely to the sides of the truck.) Knowing where everything should go, meaning the order to bring them into the truck, can cut loading time by crazy amounts, not to mention get your shit where it's going in a reasonably safe manner.

*Before you reserve the truck, count your blankets and comforters you don't mind getting a little dirty/dusty. See if they'll cover all the wood surfaces you want to protect from scratches, fronts and tops, and don't overlook wooden kitchen chairs, etc. If you're short, and you like your stuff and wanna keep it nice, spring for the rental place's pad rentals. Or, risk a scratch from a quarter-inch shift (no matter how tight the pack) when you take a corner or jam the brakes.

Essentially, you pack the truck in tiers, each tier being a row of stuff starting up against the cab-side/back of the truck and filling from floor to ceiling. Get a tier filled or as close as you can come before starting the next one. Look at the truck from the side and picture it cut in slices like a block of cheese, starting from the front (against the cab).

First tier or two, very first pieces of furniture to load, are the "base." Any big heavy solid pieces of furniture, usually dressers. Pad them up and face them into the cab. Start in one corner and pack the row. If you can fit all the way across the floor with just base-type furniture, so much the better. The goal here is to keep it tight, no shifting allowed. If necessary, fill empty corners of the first tier with a stack of heavy boxes (below), or a bookshelf or two padded and turned sideways to cheat itself into the second row. Whatever it takes, just pack the base tight.

On top of the base, go the solid non-fragile boxes, usually a layer maybe two. Books usually, albums/DVD/CDs/etc. On top of them maybe another layer of solid boxes, depending on what you have. Or, go with the more fragile (but hopefully well-packed) boxes. Solid with side-to-side pressure, but you don't want anything heavy on top of them -- those boxes.

Usually, that leaves about a foot or two of space between the top layer of boxes and the ceiling. In the first tier, we'd usually start padding (wrapping, practically) and packing kitchen and dining room chairs, on their backs/fronts and overlapping seat-to-seat best as possible. But eventually, as you add more tiers, this is where the schmeg goes. Unofficial*, lovely term for all the odds and ends that are too big for a box but can't handle weight on them. Lamps, tricycles, whatever. Chairs are the usually the most solid, which is why they get the tightest tier up in the front.

*The company I worked for, someone actually included the word on the estimate form.

Hopefully you have as little airspace as possible in the base furniture and boxes, and schmeg as tightly fit as possible. As you add more tiers, almost always they'll get somewhat looser with the schmeg, and lower from the ceiling.

Next tier, just like the first. Some small moves may not have more than one or two tiers. No matter how small your load, though, aim for high and tight. Pull things off and rearrange as necessary. You should be able to get the bulk of the move into these tiers, repeating the pattern of base, boxes, schmeg to the ceiling. You'll probably run out of base furniture before boxes; try to anticipate if you'll need a full tier of just boxes, and maybe hold back some solid boxes to base those on.

Eventually, you'll start planning The Wall. All those tiers you stacked up are going to get walled off. Hopefully you don't have much left except bookshelves (try to reserve them for the last tier(s) as possible), couch, beds, A/V stuff. When it looks like you've stacked your last tier best as possible, move the wall into position.

Bookshelf units first, with their solid backs (not the shelf side) up against the last tier. As before, tightly as possible, filling all the corners. Though you have more wiggle room here. Once all the tall heavy pieces are in, add the boxsprings and mattresses. Boxsprings being more solid, they go in first, yadda yadda. Same with head- and footboards; pad em and fit em in along the wall.

Now before you pile them on, you may want to get one end of the straps or ropes -- oh yeah, make sure you have either canvas straps or good rope -- tied to the side, inside of the truck well behind where the wall ends. This tie is CRUCIAL, and you want it as tight as physically possible.

Get the boxsprings/mattresses on end and up against the bookshelves/tiers. All of these bigger than a twin go nearly to the ceiling, short just a foot or so -- here's where you're locking down your tiers. Make sure there's no loose schmeg ready to tumble over the top of the wall. It's usually fine to just stack the disassembled bedframes upright with the mattresses, inside the tie. Get one strap/rope across about 1/3 up and one about 2/3 up. Trust me when I say the lower tie is the more important one; shit will want to slide low on you more than topple over. Get the untied end secured also further back into the pack than the wall, and yank that fucker as taut as you can and still make a good slip knot.

Now you should have most of your shit packed up high and tight and locked down with a big wall of bed.

I've never seen a couch that didn't fit across the width of a truck. Pad it to protect upholstery if you like, but the couches come next. IMPORTANT! Whenever you move a sleeper sofa -- God Forbid -- ALWAYS TIE IT DOWN BEFORE YOU EVEN LIFT IT. Get a couple feet of rope or strap, and loop it around the front frame and through the bed's handle. Tie that fucker DOWN. TIGHT. It's not just a pain in the ass when it opens on you trying to angle it into a door; it can take your fucking finger off when you shift your grip to shut it again. Tie down your sleeper sofas. Please.

Facing in toward the bed-wall, back to the loading door. Lay any TVs and or microwave ovens (don't forget to remove the oven's dish and pack it separately!) inside the couch, screen/door facing into the couch's back. Pad it and (especially with a TV) put a flat piece of cardboard in front of the screen. (Some couches have buttons that rub through blankets.) Just like a tier, try to pack the couch tight. Big reclining chairs, loveseat, another couch, etc. can go right on top of the base couch, flipped over, legs up and back to the wall. Inside the couches is another good place to toss extra schmeg.

If you're concerned there's too much play, go ahead and tie off the couch just the same as the wall.

At this point, there shouldn't be much left in your place, and plenty of space in the truck. We could fit 4-bedroom McMansions into a 22-ft straightback, no problem. An 18 or even 15 footer will handle most 2 bedroom apts.

Mirrors and glass-covered prints, etc -- flat fragile stuff -- get tied up against the sides, upright -- always ship them upright! -- with ample padding UNDER them as well as over the glass, and again with a sheaf of cardboard (folded-up box, whatever) between it and the wall. Grills, always leave for the end (move propane tanks separately) and tie them off on the side. Trust me, no matter how clean you think it is, you do NOT want it to tip over or nudge your other stuff.

Basically, at this stage you want to only have left things you need to tie off and things you can lay on the floor and not worry about them getting dirty or shifting around some -- bicycles, kids playsets, yard tools, whatever.

And hopefully that's the last of your shit. Base, boxes, schmeg. Base, boxes, schmeg. High and tight. Wall. Tie it off. Couches, big chairs, TVs. Tie-offs and heavy shmeg.

Sorry for the novel, I kinda got into it. Was fun revisiting those days, as I sit in my small 11th-floor air-conditioned big-windowed office, and not missing them at fuck-all.
post #22 of 26
I'll remember that WALL technique the next time that we have to move someone. We usually put the mattresses in first (up against the cab wall itself), but your idea makes alot of sense.
post #23 of 26
Other tips:

Many couches have removable legs; if at all possible take em off to make life easier (but don't forget where you put them).

Packing is a pain the ass, but boxes are SO much easier to move than schmeg. Despite the wise words of Mr. Carlin, you WILL start referring to your stuff as shit by the third armload of unpacked crap.

Don't worry about emptying your dressers. If they're too heavy to lift with them in, take the drawers out when you move a dresser and put them back in once the dresser's in the truck, before you pad and pack the dresser. Will save piles of space and time.

When you have 2 people moving something -- and there should never be a third "helping in the middle" -- try to never angle the piece you're moving on more than one axis at a time. Either x or y or z. Tilt it one way to get it in a door; get it upright (or horizontal) again before taking the next corner.

And always, the guy walking backwards has the lead and sets the pace. Always communicate when you need to rest or adjust your grip. Call out steps when you take them, up and down. Talk, talk, talk. Try to mirror your grips whenever possible; one side high the other low, held in the same places, etc. If you're not one of the two, stay the fuck out of their way except for offering to hold doors open.

Have some basic hand tools handy, screwdrivers/pliers/etc., in case a door needs to come off to get something through it, or what have you. Measure all you like before hand, but there will always be surprises.

Lifting with your legs is no joke. At all times try to keep your spine perpendicular to the ground, but especially on the lift and on the placement. Hike your shorts and squat deep. If you have a weight belt, wear it.
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by Trav McGee View Post
If you're not one of the two, stay the fuck out of their way except for offering to hold doors open.
Amen.

Also, I have a rule when it comes to helping other people move: I'll move your stuff, but I won't help you pack it. There's nothing that I hate more than coming over to a house to find that they expect me to help pack stuff. BE PREPARED.
post #25 of 26
Thanks a lot, Trav. I just wish I'd known all this last summer.
post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by BillyG View Post
I've moved 14 times, 15 to be coming soon. There are no good moving stories.
When Tim225 stops by and tells me he's never moved before only THEN will what you say have any truth.
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