The Sasha Grey Experience: Can Porn Be Empowering?

I recently saw a scene where Sasha Grey is being pounded relentlessly, and she implores the guy to fuck her "so hard my pussy prolapses." Those are not the words of a porn star detached from her work. It is also the first time I heard the word "prolapse" in a porn clip.

"Today's Sasha Grey drilling is sponsored by the word 'prolapse'."

I don't really like porn, so I'd be the worst possible person to choose to chime in on this kind of a discussion.

Marylin Chambers seemed to lead a somewhat normal life, but she got pulled back in from time to time. Jenna Jameson has distorted her body almost beyond recognition. Sasha Grey may survive this, but I think The Girlfriend Experience is a one-off. If Grey has played her cards right, she might be a millionaire by now. Ultimately I don't think there's going to be much of a mainstream career, except that most adults have seen porn, and a lot of adults look at it on the regular, so the media circles someone like Grey because porn, and on a grander scale having sex (for solo and partners) is something everyone does but people don't talk about.

I think most of the people who get into porn are/were fucked up. And most aren't exactly smart, but the money's better than waitressing/bartending. Grey is young. I don't know if she's a stoner (probably), or if she uses at all. But a lot of those girls get used up quick. And even Jenna had a shelf life. Grey is not at the end of hers.

Ultimately my attitude is similar to that of how I feel about priests, abortionists, and athletes. I don't see it as a career path I wish to pursue, but I don't care, and to a certain extent am happy they do what they do if they do it well.

More and more porn stars are taking the business side of things seriously and setting up their own production deals with distribution companies. Belladonna is the queen of this right now. They may not make millions performing in porn but they are making millions producing it.

I've known a few porn stars personally, including Sasha Grey, and I find them to be much smarter than you'd think. Whatever psychological or emotional issues they may or may not be dealing with, they've gotten a lot smarter about business longevity and how to manage their money and identity. Not all, but many. For many, the out-of-control BOOGIE NIGHTS lifestyle is an artifact of a distant era. That doesn't mean they don't party like they used to but there is a stronger sense of marketing and management.

Did Baker Hughes have any involvement in the production?

As for Sasha Gray, I know the porn podcast I listen to. The guys go crazy over her. But the fuck do I know? I don't follow pro.

Litmus, you continue to... impress?

I dunno, something awesome.

Did you see her dressed as a Vulcan? HAWT!

I heard about that. From "This is not Star Trek". Thanks Porn++.

LOL!

And Ed, you really love your podcasts!

Got to listen to something while at work.

You listen to porn podcasts at work? Where do you work, Vivid?

I recently watched a clip where some guy pumped a load into a black chicks ass, the black chick then shat out said load into Sasha's mouth. That was a great moment in my life.

I do not. It's only one podcast, Porn++. And it's not bad. Except one guy talks like Gomer Pyle. I just found the idea of reviewing porn movies completely straight funny.

Listening to porn podcasts...

[QUOTE=CaptainZahn;2615158]The reactions to Sasha Grey online fascinate me. Some men seem to have an almost a fatherly reaction to her, like they want to protect her from her career choice. They can't accept that she wants to be doing what she's doing, or that she might like it; she must be putting up a front or detaching herself from her work. Many people seem to believe that she'll come to regret doing porn.

I don't think that anyone that gets rich really regrets getting to that point. "Wealth can wash down a lot of bad fish" comes to mind and the whole idea that people want to "protect" her is really weird. Protect her from what...cock? So you can comfort her with your cock instead? Save a tree instead.

I'm curious about how people here view porn actors. Can you be a well-adjusted person and do porn?

Yes you can be but since most people are the products of their environment or adapt to their environments, not many fit the mainstream idea of well adjusted (hence normal reality TV stars). Plus if well adjusted means shooting doctors that preform abortions to save or avenge...then well adjusted needs to go to the chiropractor.

Do you think it's possible to be a female porn star and come through the business relatively unscathed?

No, no one escapes unscathed. Have you seen the size of those cocks? Poor pussy. Regardless, unscathed would mean that they were better prior to porn and that might not be the case.

Can you be empowered and not degraded by your job if you're in a business where you're a sex object and the majority of the consumers are men?

I think that society has progressed to a level where porn is looked at as chic to a certain extent and the lifestyle, although not Boogie Nights as mentioned by fellow chewers, is still glamorous to an extent. Women make more cash then men as participants in the act which in and amoung itself might make some feel great as both a sexual stimulation as well as a self esteem boost that someone was willing to pay to tape them fucking. Now how far does that go as empowerment? Just like most things, it is only as cool as you think it is and the people around you are willing to either bite their tongues or keep their opinions to themselves.


As for the links about Sasha, I believe that she presents herself about as well as she chooses in order not to come off as too controlling as to ruin the idea that some have that she needs saving. Another interesting take on teh industry is Sex: The Annabel Chong Story which is a doc about Annabel's quest to fuck 250 dudes to set a world record while her producers try to tell everyone that she has college degrees, has a good family, and is a good choice of character. Annabel is none of these things.]

That can't be healthy.

If you ever read an interview with Sasha Grey or see her on television it takes about five seconds to realize she's a shit head. Her not crossing over from porn into mainstream entertainment won't be because of her adult industry past, but because she's a giant douche bag. It's not like she did anything personally to me, and she's good at what she does I guess, but there's just a blank slate beyond that as far as I see.

Or the least bit arousing. Seriously, I don't know what's worse, that someone thought someone might get off on that, or that someone might get off on that.

I guarantee you, if there's stuff going into and out of places, someone, somewhere, is aroused by it.

I really don't like the kind of porn Grey does, but I kind of find her appealing. She seems very deliberate in what she does and not the slightest bit delusional. I just wish she'd turn her act down a notch because I find it aesthetically unappealing. And as far as a mainstream career she'll probably end up in a few smaller films and maybe have a some smaller parts in bigger films and that's just about it.

Porn is fascinating to me, all facets of it are. I tend to look at people that get into porn as people that decided to place their bets and take their chances; I wish them the best.

Having just seen 'The Girlfriend Experience', I actually wish to see come true, Grey's desire to maintain a porn career on top of a *notable* mainstream career. That's highly improbable, but not impossible, and if someone's gotta do it first, may as well be her.

More to the question, can porn be empowering? Depends on the mindset. I recently ran across a story about a pornstar, Bree Olson I believe, getting pranked on Opie & Anthony a while back. Apparently she was invited to give a blind guy a handjob on air, the gag, such as it was, is that guy wasn't blind. When she caught onto this, she bolted out of the place forcing back tears b/c they'd exploited her as the "stupid porn girl".

She *was* stupid, fucking aged donkeys have more sense, however, one thing that's also true is that just about every guy listening to that program, laughing at the "stupid porn girl", are the kind of grubby, misogynistic, 350lbs of sadness, that'd kill their first born just to have Olson give them the *time of day*.

That's a power she has, as a woman, as an object of sexual desire and fascination, and that's why certain douchebags need to see her humiliated, to demistify her, make her less intimidating.

Grey is, by most accounts, not stupid, and though I believe that part of not being stupid is knowing when to say when in the length of a career in porn, I think she understands that power. Honestly, any girl who finds herself in the business, if that's what they want to do, they could do much worse in terms of a role model.

Interesting question. I'm pretty sure that many women who are in porn enjoy what they're doing, are smart, strong, business-savvy and even feel empowered by it.

But well-adjusted? Not a chance.

I love how everybody always has a strong opinion of pornstars. How strongly do you feel about barkeeps? If anybody gets AIDS in porn, talk resumes about shutting the industry down. If a barkeep doesn't serve his customers well and even berates them, nobody thinks about closing bars down. The example continues to every profession, which have their share of fuck-ups and safety incidents.

The attitudes surrounding porn are nonsense, but the job can be seen as a microcosm of what's wrong with our labor system, in my opinion. People don't get angry about other professions' equivalents of what they hear about happening in porn. It's not a job I'd want, but I'm not cut out for industrial labor either. However, you are selling your mechanical movements to somebody all the same. Until women and men own their own bodies, we'll continue to be a bit uncomfortable with porn...why can't that discomfort be applied elsewhere, to trades and other employments?

Well, there are a lot of occupations that really dont bode well for anyones mental health, or general integrity, and the way the porn business works, I would venture a guess and claim that quite a lot of its actors/actresses are, indeed, not well-adjusted.
However, thats not a reason to have such strong opinions about them, and voice them at every turn.

Or rather, I would definitely prefer if most jobs that seriously screw with peoples character (several police jobs esp. in high-crime areas, soldiers, jail wardens etc. etc.) would get a bit more attention as to what they turn people into.
Let Sasha Grey do what she does, and realize that no matter how fucked up, at least she isnt going to run around killing people.

I think I'm in love...

Park in Rear

This:

Plus this:

Equals me shooting a politician in order to impress her.

Although given the things she's known to do on camera, I think it may take a bit more to get a reaction from her.

What you don't see in this pic is that she's defecating onto a hobo.

Or that the line is actually leading to HER.

Fixed.

You make me feel a bit uncomfortable with your unrealistic opinions. Nobody's infringing on your right to be a degenerate so why are you complaining.

Here's a video of Sasha Grey on the Tyra Banks show. The uploader on YouTube has stuffed it with enough smug annotations to give you a crash course on the arguments of the anti-porn movement ("There's a reason you like S and M, Sasha: it's because you were abused as a child", to paraphrase).

She's got a couple of blogs and video discussing that appearance. They're all worth tracking down, simply as a look at how much that kind of show manipulates the presentation of guests.

In that pic she's right in front of my store. Where we have a section dedicated to her.

Point.

Pffft. I had to actually check to see just who the hell this is. Can't see how people waste any time with these vapid mannequins(good businesswomen or not!). They're artificial to a degree that makes the FDA concerned and offer nothing but shallow vocals over tepid action. Not to mention, if I wanted to see a woman's inner workings to the degree they all consider to be the height of porn quality, I'd have become a fucking gynocologist.

Sorry, am and homemade are where it's at. Ed Powers knew it 15 years ago and Soylentgreen knows it now.

Wait, there is one professional porn source that transcends the rest. This Italian dude(No, not fuckin Rocco!), Mario Salieri. His output(!) consistently shows how good lighting, subtle sound design and non-physio-tinkered women with some real weight and actual sex appeal can reinvigorate a pretty stale and certainly limp entertainment genre.

Are you sure you looked up the right woman?

You work at CineFile? Cool!

Well, all I saw in this thread were pictures of her face.

a manager even, if i remember that brett ratner story correctly

...and that picture gave you the impression she was a "physio-tinkered" plastic woman with no sex appeal? I don't know what to say.

That's actually a really cute picture.

Did you ever know that you're my hero?

Well, all he's got is the one eye.

Joke missed. (It's not her face I should recognize, right?)

She's from the same phony-baloney hussy stock. No charisma. Vapid 2-D'ers may do you fine, but I prefer more than a snatch with a face. Nevermind those Eddie Munster eyebrows.

The last truly beautiful (American) women left porn nearly two decades ago.

Nothing else really to say, Renn. This discussion can't be had in a forum that has a community hard-on for Megan Fox. I'm wasting my breath.

Fuck Megan Fox. We can argue about pornstars like men here.

Hussy stock with no charisma? Setting aside the overly cynical critique of this modern porn actress, I hear an awfully nostalgic view for something as shallow as some antiquated fuck films.

The reason Grey has gotten so much attention out of the thousands and thousands of women willing to do the same thing, is entirely because of charisma.

Most of the girls fall in two kinds of categories: S. Grey kind, who seems fake and distant form the action you are seeing offering us what it is supposed to be a girl enjoying it and the Klenot style, a boring girl who isn't enjoying it at all.

Or possibly the woman who enjoys fucking enough to get paid for it without being fake, or being violently abused. The only way you would ever get me to resort to that kind of choking behavior is to enlist Natalie Portman.