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post #1 of 15
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Figured I'd use a favorite Devin quote to start a new jazz thread. I know some of the current great jazz guitarists will be brought up in this thread (over under on Judas posting Al DiMeola is 4 posts I believe), but what got me thinking about some great modern jazz (which I guess is the most white peoplish) is this awesome performance I'm watching of Jeff Beck with Vinnie Colaiuta on drums, Tal Wilkenfeld on bass (holy shit that girl can play!) and Jason Rebello on keyboards. Just some awesome stuff to hear. Beck is certainly most known as a rock player, but from this performance, you would think he's always been playing jazz.

My dad listens to everything from The Beatles to Lamb of God (he's 57), but he's always had a modern jazz love to him as well. I remember being a little kid hearing The Rippingtons and The Yellowjackets on many a sunday morning, as well as plenty of Mr. DiMeola.

As a player who has been pretty grounded in rock and blues style, I've always been fascinated with hearing great Jazz players throw down. It's such a foreign way of playing for me that I can listen for hours.

So, really, this thread is about Modern Jazz. It's such a different animal inmy opinion than the jazz that originated in the 20's and ran through the 50's (which is decidedly less white peoplish, and deserves a different thread). My contributions have been obviously guitar related acts, because that's what I listen to in the genre, but are there any other favorites out there?
post #2 of 15
If you're looking for more great jazz guitarists, I'd recommend Ximo Tebar. He's Spanish, so we don't hear that much about him in the States, but he's an incredible player. His band is tight as hell, too.
post #3 of 15
I've been listening to alot of Pat Metheny lately, from his first record to 80/81(which is alot more free jazz based which I didn't really like), I prefer it when Metheny mixes Jazz with other compositional styles, 'Icefire' is an awesome solo piece.

I really like 'As Falls Wichita, so Falls Wichita Falls', the title track really showcases his willingness to experiment.

Another great example of Metheny's musical experimentation is The Roots of Coincidence when that thumping chorus comes in, it blows my mind.

I also really like Brad Mehldau, Jazz pianist, alot of his playing is needlessly complex but he's a damn good player and his interpretations of modern music like Radiohead is interesting to listen to.
post #4 of 15
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As a (mostly former, but collegiate trained) trumpet player, I'll go ahead and say Wynton Marcellus' contributions to Modern Jazz are great. The hate that other horn players pass around him is strange.
post #5 of 15
On the topic of jazz guitarists, my favorite more or less modern ones are probably Kenny Burrell, Herb Ellis, and Joe Pass. I was also a big Charlie Byrd fan, which led me to the Jazz Samba stuff with Stan Getz, then on to Jobim and the Bossa Nova and... this stuff is dangerous: once you start, you never really stop.
post #6 of 15
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As a (mostly former, but collegiate trained) trumpet player, I'll go ahead and say Wynton Marcellus' contributions to Modern Jazz are great. The hate that other horn players pass around him is strange.
I think it's because his views on modern jazz tend to be restrictive, he's an old school player, he doesn't like modern jazz at all judging from the comments he's made.
post #7 of 15
The thing about Marsalis is that he is one of the jazz historians/musicians who tries to confine jazz to a very strict set of rules and a specific canon of musicians, as he believes that jazz is America's "classical" music and should be treated as such. (The Ken Burns series, in which Marsalis is a chief contributor, is another example of this.) Marsalis has become one of the guys who can tell you what jazz isn't, but can't tell you what jazz is. I love the guy's trumpet playing, but his insistence on keeping jazz in a very tight box is kind of ironic and strangling for a music built on improvisation and emotion.
post #8 of 15
I'm no jazz expert but I've been obsessed with Japanese and other miscelleanous non-English Jazz this year:

Hajime Yoshizawa
Sleep Walker
Hiromi Uehara
Chihiro Yamanaka
Mayumi Kojima
Soil & Pimp Sessions
Quasimode
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Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble
Bohren & der Club of Gore

These last two arent Japanese and take jazz to the extreme and are more ambient electronica at times. Some people label them as 'dark jazz' or 'jazz noir' but I just kick them in the balls and they soon shut up.
post #9 of 15
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Soil & Pimp Sessions
Anyone who dismisses jazz as nerdy and sterile should experience these guys live. More punk attitude than any mtv punkrocker can pretend to posess, insane playing skills and never fail to blow away a crowd. Recordings sound a little too sterile at times, but shows are a must-see.

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Bohren & der Club of Gore
I'd say: their sound can be described as Twin Peaks' Black Lodge bar room band. Just very filthy, threatening jazz. Saw them live at the Dutch Roadburn festival, that for the rest featured mainly rock bands like Neurosis and Earth. They blended right in.
post #10 of 15
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Anyone who dismisses jazz as nerdy and sterile should experience these guys live. More punk attitude than any mtv punkrocker can pretend to posess, insane playing skills and never fail to blow away a crowd. Recordings sound a little too sterile at times, but shows are a must-see.
I'd love to see them live, they sound like they're having a blast on CD as it is. I think Hiromi is like the pianist version of these guys, her playing is mind-boggling crazy stuff.

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I'd say: their sound can be described as Twin Peaks' Black Lodge bar room band. Just very filthy, threatening jazz. Saw them live at the Dutch Roadburn festival, that for the rest featured mainly rock bands like Neurosis and Earth. They blended right in.
I've gone through their discog and Sunset Mission is by far my favourite CD, its like a score from Blade Runner if it were directed by David Lynch or something.
post #11 of 15
I'm going to see Medeski Martin and Wood next week (no Scofield as far as I know). I don't know why anyone would call what they do sterile.
post #12 of 15
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I'm going to see Medeski Martin and Wood next week (no Scofield as far as I know). I don't know why anyone would call what they do sterile.
Our bass player is a huge MMW fan. I like some of their stuff, mainly when they actually fall into a nice groove. Some of their stuff, however gets a little too "noise for noise's sake" for me. Chief offender being their "Farmer's Reserve" album, which, is just terrible. It really just sounds like they got drunk, walked into the studio, and threw heavy objects at their instruments. I don't mind experimental music by any stretch, but there has to be a melody of SOME sort somewhere for me to listen for more than 10 minutes.

Combustication, on the other hand, is great.
post #13 of 15
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I'm no jazz expert but I've been obsessed with Japanese and other miscelleanous non-English Jazz this year:


These last two arent Japanese and take jazz to the extreme and are more ambient electronica at times. Some people label them as 'dark jazz' or 'jazz noir' but I just kick them in the balls and they soon shut up.
I'm not going to quote all the names you did, but what do you recommend from each of those guys? I've been looking for more modern, non-traditional jazz over the past year and from what Wikipedia tells me, those guys fit the bill. Would be grateful for your recs/advice.
post #14 of 15
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I'm not going to quote all the names you did, but what do you recommend from each of those guys? I've been looking for more modern, non-traditional jazz over the past year and from what Wikipedia tells me, those guys fit the bill. Would be grateful for your recs/advice.
No worries. Again, I'm no expert on the genre, but all the artists I mentioned seem to encapsulate jazz yet either go crazy with their chosen instruments, while keeping coherent melodies, or even when they're reserved there's something thats not tied down by tradition. Maybe a connoisseur would say they're 'jazz-lite' or something, I dont know, but whatever, I've heard the greats like Miles Davis and Thelonious Monk, and I appreciate them on one level, but I can relate much more to the artists I mentioned in my previous post. Maybe a googling of my favourite tracks will give you some mp3/stream samples.

Also, I should note that I got into Japanese jazz in the first place via Japanese instrumental hip hop, which is another genre that has blown me away this year. Basically Japanese producers crafting amazing jazzy beats with the aid of live instruments, and ocassionally having guest rappers along for the ride. Artists like Nujabes and Nomak have paved the way for an amazing genre populated by so much creativity. Definitely check it out.

So the Jazzy stuff I've been getting into this year:

Hajime Yoshizawa is good to chill out to with a whisky and loose tie, you feel all sophisticated like Clooney in Out of Sight just before he beds Lopez. Hajime is also pianist with the band Sleep Walker who just seem accomplished on all levels, very toe-tappingly groovy, they've only got two albums and a remix album, but they seem to have made waves in jazz circles. Favourite tracks for Hajime (Eastern Step, May, both are from the very laid back album 'Innocent Nocturne', but his album 'Japan' is also another good gateway and much more livelier with guest female vocalists) and fave tracks for Sleep Walker (Ai-No-Kawa, Lost In Blue. I'd say start with their self-titled debut)

Hiromi Uehara (who only goes by her first name) is a prodigy who plays the piano like a crazy person. Her debut is insane, she does things with the piano I've never heard before, how her fingers fly around the piano or keyboard I dont know. It always sounds joyful, even at its most intense moments. Check out the tune 'XYZ' for a taster of her skills, or 'Legend of the Purple Valley'. (start with her debut 'Another Mind' and work your way to the present)

Chihiro Yamanaka, another pianist, is tamer than Hiromi but easier to digest and just as playful. And again like all these artists, she has clear melodies that arent so adventerous that they stray out of the jazz genre but still feel modern and funky as hell. Her album 'Abyss' came out this year and is great, I like 'Sing, Sing, Sing (Give Me A Break)' the best.

Mayumi Kojima is an infectious singer, who in her bio, has had a keen interest in 50's jazz since she was a kid. Her tunes have her tomboyish voice howling and crooning over a variety of jazzy blues tunes that feel both sultry and humorous. Her tune 'Poltergeist' was featured in the opening credits of an anime called Ghost Hound which probably gave her more fame, and I think its a great taste of her sound. Her compilation CD 'A Musical Biography 2001-2007' is also a great way to get into her music. Should note that all her stuff is in Japanese, but hey if you believe in music transcending the language barrier...

Soil & Pimp Sessions have a horrible name and horrible album titles, but the sextet are really skilled and their rowdy insane sound is infectious as hell. Whether its laid back instrumental hip hop type tunes or headbanging stuff, the energy bleeding off their CDs makes you wonder if its really jazz you're listening to, all preconceptions are just smashed (under a packed dancefloor). You can start with any of their albums I think, they're pretty consistent.

Quasimode are kinda like Soil & Pimp Sessions, but not as inspiring. These guys have also made waves, but after the list of artists above, by the time I got to Quasimode I was a tad underwhelmed. They're still good and have a heavy latin bossanova vibe running through their noise. Only two albums out, start with either I'd say.

Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble only have two albums, Mutations EP which is amazing dark ambient jazzy soundscapes. I've listened to 'Caos Calmo' and 'Shadows' so many times. Their debut self-titled album is also pure quality, more electronica-ish in the vein of Amon Tobin.

Bohren & der Club of Gore are also amazing and more minimalistic. I heavily recommend Sunset Mission over their other early stuff, its just heavy slow pace with noir thriller mood, perfect moody jazzy music for rainy days. Their later albums have got more attention for their unique sound whereas their earlier two albums are less jazzy and more minimalistic drone-ish ambience.
post #15 of 15
Brad Mehldau collaborated with Jon Brion called 'Largo' which is kind of experimental, lot's of different takes on pop songs, jazz standards etc, you may want to check that one out, Rath.

Nice selection, Cognizant, I may check out some of those artists, Nujabes work on Samurai Champloo was fucking stellar.
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