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post #351 of 372

What I would really prefer is a second part where he breaks down exactly why Jurassic World doesn't work the way Park does... instead of just going CHRIS PRATT CHRIS PRATT CHRIS PRATT.  There IS human stuff in Jurassic World with Bryce Dallas Howard's character along with the two kids... and if you're so inclined, you can connect her lack of interest in creating a family to her lack of seeing the dinosaurs as living creatures and her gradually (or suddenly) changing both views by the end of the movie.

 

But clearly, that material never really shined through in Jurassic World.  I mean, who really cared about any of that stuff?  Though, some could say the same for Jurassic Park as well.  In all the praise and nostalgia for Spielberg's film, how often do we really hear anyone praise anything that isn't the action sequences, the CG/animatronics, or Jeff Goldblum?

 

Obviously, the presentation is going into the INVISIBLE way that subtext is giving heft to all that surface stuff in Jurassic Park.  But I would love to hear his take about why the material in Jurassic World doesn't connect.

post #352 of 372

I agree that Jurassic World isn't so vapid or that it didn't try. But the presentation shows that Jurassic World doesn't have the same understanding, or meticulous visual information to make all of it work!  And, the movie isn't fully about it either. Structurally, it shifts its focus many times. It ends up being about a hodgepodge of ideas but no central conceit. That isn't just Jurassic World's fault, but also the nature of the current box office. And Trevorrow, who I really don't want to bag on for the simple fact that he's still a young filmmaker figuring out the ropes who got his chance so quickly in the industry, just isn't the craftsman like Spielberg. 

 

Going through the presentation, it's easier to see why the film doesn't connect. It's not wholly concerned with what the film is about and it's told through dialogue, not visual metaphors. Films are powerfully visual mediums, it sucks we're now in a place where half of the art form's function isn't being used. It's only used for shock and awe, but not to stimulate the emotional side as well as the intellect. 

 

Also, Jurassic World insists on regurgitating the kids of divorce thing again. The movie becomes the Anti-thesis to Jurassic Park in the way it tells it. Everything is inferred in Jurassic Park and how the characters interact with their backgrounds is also inferred through that but not bluntly stated. In Jurassic World, we have to watch the parents talk about getting a divorce, we have to watch the kids cry about it, we have to watch the brothers reconnect and talk about reconnecting, these aren't interesting things to see. It's also terribly melodramatic. Their purpose is merely background information when they could be doing much more intricate webs that go to our emotional core. And all you have to do is see how the first film did it to understand.

post #353 of 372

Your post is what I wanted in the presentation as well.

 

Also, clom trlbe isn't particularly young.  He's 39.

post #354 of 372
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how often do we really hear anyone praise anything that isn't the action sequences, the CG/animatronics, or Jeff Goldblum?

 

I don't know. I feel most of the performances are praised, or at least quoted. All the characters are memorable in some way. Goldblum, of course, but then you have Hammond's "Welcome to Jurassic Park", "Spared no expense", Nedry's "Dodgson, Dodgson, we've got Dodgson here!" "You didn't say the magic word.", Arnold's "Hold on to your butts", Muldoon's "They remember", "Clever girl" etc. 

post #355 of 372
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Your post is what I wanted in the presentation as well.

 

Also, clom trlbe isn't particularly young.  He's 39.


I meant young... as in green. 

post #356 of 372
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I don't know. I feel most of the performances are praised, or at least quoted. All the characters are memorable in some way. Goldblum, of course, but then you have Hammond's "Welcome to Jurassic Park", "Spared no expense", Nedry's "Dodgson, Dodgson, we've got Dodgson here!" "You didn't say the magic word.", Arnold's "Hold on to your butts", Muldoon's "They remember", "Clever girl" etc. 

Oh sure, all that stuff has been canonized in geek culture in some way.

 

I'm just pointing out that nobody ever really brings up the thematic/subtextual stuff when praising Jurassic Park.  It's usually that surface stuff that you and I both mentioned (stuff that easily become memes).

 

In fact, I think that stuff in Jurassic Park isn't thought of particularly highly because it's barely subtextual.  A kid can see that the movie has Alan Grant going from a kid-hater to a kid-tolerator.  So it's easily brushed off as Spielberg doing his usual Spielberg thing.  What's nice about this presentation is that it gets really granular about how that character arc is embedded into the core of the entire film with specific examples.

 

This is why I would love it if this guy did a part 2 in just how Jurassic World fails to do that and get just as specific about it.

 

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I meant young... as in green. 

 

no way!  I won't allow it!

post #357 of 372
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

I'm just pointing out that nobody ever really brings up the thematic/subtextual stuff when praising Jurassic Park.  

 

Most people don't care. But Spielberg's hand is pretty deft and he makes the story look easy when it's not. I'm one of the biggest Jurassic Park fans out there and not even I noticed some of the stuff in the presentation. But I've always maintained that there was something to Jurassic Park nobody was seeing. I almost feel stupid after watching this.

 

Allow it, mister. 

post #358 of 372

I refuse.

 

I'm not talking about most people.  I'm talking about the very movie geeks that love to praise Spielberg for his deft touch... also don't regard this one all that highly beyond the superficial elements.

post #359 of 372

I own Jurassic World and I like it.

post #360 of 372
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I refuse.

 

I'm not talking about most people.  I'm talking about the very movie geeks that love to praise Spielberg for his deft touch... also don't regard this one all that highly beyond the superficial elements.


Yeah I'm including them in "most people", bruh!

post #361 of 372
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I own Jurassic World and I like it.

yes of course you do

 

BREAK IT DOWN FOR US, BART

 

GIMME WHAT I WANT!!!

post #362 of 372

I like Pratt and the raptors. The kids are annoying, I admit.

post #363 of 372

how disappointing...

 

I wanted a real BART breakdown...

post #364 of 372

Didn't we have a massive tête-à-tête in the post-release thread about World?

 

Honestly I'm baffled by both the box office of and backlash against World. I enjoy it, it has some cool meta commentary (I'm a sucker for that) and I like Dallas Howard and Pratt a lot, even while admitting their roles coast entirely on their natural charisma.

 

You know how I'm big on moments? Dallas Howard freeing the T-Rex, with the music swelling, and that final battle followed by the ridiculous nod of respect between Rex and Raptor, that's where most of my affection comes from.

post #365 of 372

Who needs a Jurassic Park/World movie when we have this...

 

post #366 of 372

That's better, Bart...

 

I actually don't remember anything from the Jurassic World thread.

 

But I did enjoy the movie the same way you did.

 

You shouldn't be baffled at the backlash against World.  The insane box office (and the movie's mediocrity) really explains it all.

post #367 of 372

For those of you that keep track, I'm a fan of The Dark Knight Rises, Man of Steel, Spider-Man 3, Jurassic World, Star Trek Into Darkness, and Live Free or Die hard.

 

And I hate Doctor Who, The Big Bang Theory and Star Trek: The Next Generation.

post #368 of 372

that's real nice

post #369 of 372

I don't consider Jurassic World to be a bad movie. I'm simply saying it's inferior, in the same way that The Lost World/Jurassic Park III is also an inferior piece of work comparatively. There's something to enjoy about them all, but Jurassic Park isn't just an enjoyable experience. It's a pretty deep, positive film about relationships and growing up. 

post #370 of 372
Man it's so ridiculous to sound apologetic for liking any of those movies, though I guess I'm as guilty as anyone else for it at times..
post #371 of 372

I don't 'hate' movies*.....I am greatly disappointed with a good many of them though.

 

It might have something to do with seeing them post-media hype.

 

Jurassic World was just OK and not deserving of all the praise lumped upon it, IMO.

It should be noted that I'm a grumpy old movie fan that has seen it all before. I can't remember the last movie I saw that knocked my socks off.

 

 

 

*...to be honest, I do actually hate the movie 'Once'...but that is a discussion for another thread :D 

post #372 of 372
If there's anything I hate about Jurassic World it's that it tried to be goofy too much. Yeah, there were jokes in Jurassic Park, but it wasn't "wink wink that old park was awesome" meta shit. The jokes came out of character dynamics.
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