Lost Season 6: News and Speculation - Page 2

i think it's a deliberate choice that you never actually witness christians death. something's going on there...

RE: The topic creator, upset that they would take until 1/3 of the way through the season to resolve timelines --

-- You do realize this is the show that acts like its most important job is to drag out season-ending cliffhangers until 4 or 5 episodes into the next season?

No no no ... Jacob is going to reincarnate himself a la Man No 2 (like you said)... and thats why he recruited the new castaways from franks plane, and why the chick was talking about frank possibly being a candidate-- hes a candidate to be jacobs new vessel


... At least that was my guess

edit: haha, it would be funny if jacob took over the dead body of the real locke, and there were then two lockes running around....

Honestly, what are you talking about? There are quite a few questions to answer, but there's no reason they can't be resolved in 3 hours of screen-time. That's a really long time. And besides, this is Lost, and its the final season. If they needed more time to do things properly, I'm sure the network would be happy to have a few more episodes of their big hit to milk.

The creators have known this is coming for a long time, have a pretty free rein to set their own pace, and they obviously think that they can provide all the necessary answers in the time they have. And since that time is a solid 12 hours of show, I'm inclined to think they're right.

http://www.ew.com/ew/game/voxpop/0,,....g=xrta2243000

EW game, I sucked only getting 11.

I got 20 (hey, I'm no Patsy Cline fan).

Well actually... Jack and Ben have a conversation about it.

Also, the painting pertains to a central theme of the show: faith versus proof/science.

By the way, I got 16.

Yup. It's Caravaggio, if I'm not mistaken.

And for some reason the game won't load for me. Sigh.

Awesome.

Ugh. I only got 13. Apparently my brain cells (including those responsible for ticky-tack LOST trivia) have wilted in the summer heat.

I too got a 13.

Anyone care to post the questions here? EW doesn't want me to enjoy their quizzes apparently.

They sort of pop-up on screen one at a time, so someone would have to write 'em all down by hand.

I got a lousy 13.

I started the game, but when it asked about the names of Rousseau's crew I was done! I love the show, and have devoured every bit of speculation and answeres that I could find....but that was too granular for me!

So I have a question....If Matthew Fox stated that it would take 1/3 of the season for everyone to get back together, and if the bomb just causes the incident, does that mean that they're still trapped in 1977 and have to find a way to time travel back to the future or does it mean that they will be transported to 2007, but it will take 1/3 of the season for them to re-unite?

I'm sure it won't be any of that, of course, which I hope is the case.

I got 16. But I got some lucky guesses right and easy ones wrong.

The dudes are at Comic Con, I will wait some more hours...but those news made me smile.

This hasn't been posted by THUD, but it looks like a lot of people are coming back:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009...con-panel.html

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/...rning-to-lost/

Pretty exciting, and I still have no idea what they're going to do. Some sort of timeline convergence or, um ... something?

No flashbacks! That's amazing. We will get more of Richard Alpert's background. We miss you, Charlie . Jacob never "impersonated" anyone. So who the fuck is Christian (I was wrong!). Juliet is yet attached to some episodes.

I guess the schedule for most of the lost fellas is pretty empty so It would be great for them to get some big hit even if it's just one episode.

The exchange between Jorge Garcia and the producers made me laugh.

I missed some THUD for this show (and WhereWildThingAre and IM2 news BTW).

They didn't say there wouldn't be flashbacks.

The panel was amazing. This season should kick ass.

Seconded!

If my theory on the Black Rock is correct (see the Exodus recaps in the rewatch thread), then I suspect I know the bare bones of Richard's back story. If I'm right, it's likely to be amazing.

If I'm wrong (far more likely) it'll likely still be amazing.

Those panel recaps were great. Thanks for putting them up here!

Just rewatched that Mysteries of the Universe video. Here's a brief excerpt of the narrator's spiel:

That's essentially what Jack is told his tattoo means, no?

If the Bai Ling episode ends up tying into the overarcing mythology of this show I'll doff my cap.

Apparently, there are hieroglyphics in the advertising on the site. They translate roughly into "Who is the leader?"

Some great teases at Comic Con apparently. Damn, this will be a long waiting period.

By now I doubt that he is closely tied to the Black Rock. I am under the impression, that he, Jacob and the MiB are all of the same heritage. While Jacob and the MiB would represent the opposing forces (science vs. faith and all that..) Richard would be the neutral party in my half-assed train of thought.

While Jacob and the MiB are circling each other in an eternal struggle over the island, they don´t seem to be able to confront each other directly ("You have no idea how much I want to kill you") but use their powers to use humans as pawns for their respective end games. Hence the looophoe that the MiB allegedly found vs. "They are coming". And Richard would be some kind of referee/Watcher (Not unlike this guy in Fringe) to ensure that the humans on the island can be played with (I don´t take orders from either of them). So to say.

Gosh, rereading that does not sound very coherent. But it made sense in my head. I swear! I´ll chalk that one up as the language barrier...

Another thing I thought while rewatching the finale: Is the consensus here that Juliet simply changed her mind about Jacks plan? I got the feeling that there has to be a jarring omission, otherwise it is sloppy telling indeed. I´d wager a guess that there was some time-travelling or whatever at play to push her into this direction. But maybe not...

I had posted a similar theory a month or two ago. Rather than Alpert being a "referee", however, I suggested that he may be actively engaged in balancing the opposing forces of Jacob and Tropical Randall Flagg, supporting one or the other as the occasion arises.

If Jacob and the MiB's predicament is as a result of something Jacob has done, effectively making the both of them immortal and stranding them on the Island to fulfill some millennia-long goal/debt/desire (thus, the MiB's desire to kill him), maybe this same event/act also gave Richard his immortality.

In other words, Jacob is Mr. Fantastic, the MiB is Doctor Doom, and Richard is ...The Thing?*

But given how Richard appears to have been fooled by the MiB, I'm not sure that 'Ricardus' is really privy to the Dark Side's plans.



*I'm not really suggesting this particular analogy.

I enjoyed the audio from the lost panel, does anyone know where we can find video, if not of the entire panel, then of the skits at least?

There's this crazy new video sharing website, "youtube", you may have heard of it!

Or the non-dick answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNjVeEBA_I

Darkufo has them all, great stuff!

Fake.

Yeah, the plane crash is from Knowing.

'Lost' announces dates for online series devoted to The Dharma Initiative http://tinyurl.com/muctjl

I kinda set myself up for that one. What I should have asked is, are there any HQ video of the panel avaliable. I remember ABC officially releasing video of one panel on their website but I think they underestimated the cost of bandwith that us crazy Lost fans would use to watch them.

Love the Hurley chicken ad.

Don't Ben and Widmore share similar dialogue in an episode? I know Ben and Widmore talked about how neither can kill the other. Was that ever explained?

I always get the feeling from Richard that he's a kind of indentured servant. I don't think he knows a whole lot, but he's been forced into working for Jacob.

Not entirely related: If they go the whole "other dimensions" or "multiple universes" route, I'm gonna be pissed. I want this story to end like a Lovecraft story. Mysteries of the universe that drive men mad. Would it be too much to ask for some Shoggoths?

I have a feeling that there won't be "aliens", per se. But Jacob and MIB are definitely not human. The "faith-versus-science" theme scares me, though. I don't want any kind of spiritual explanation for any of this. That would be a cop-out.

Coming soon to Adult Swim!

I'm curious as to why you think aliens/other-dimensional beings have less potential of being a cop-out than some "spiritual" explanation.

I'd guess that aliens and other dimensions can (allegedly) be explained scientifically, whereas Jeebus is just lame.

I never said they weren't. I said I don't think there will be aliens, extra-dimensions, etc. I don't want that, really (unless they go totally Lovecraftian, which I seriously doubt). I think explaining away the properties of the time travel, the island, etc with a simple label and pat explanation of any kind would be a cop-out. The mystery and origin of the island seems to be the extreme focus of this show, especially in the last 2 seasons. I would expect a nuanced, deeply satisfying explanation that does not rely on tropes or try to tie in heavy-handed spirituality.

I know many seem to hate this idea, but I wouldn't mind a lot of the mystery being left...well, mysterious.

What I don't understand:

How can you not assume some spiritual component with regard to the end of the show, even if it's not overt?

Much of Lost to date has been explicitly spiritual.

I don't mind the spirituality necessarily, but I'd rather science, even fringe science, to be the bigger player. But I'm a jerk that way.

Jacob showing up and subtly maneuvering all of the people onto the island seemed to subvert much of the overt spiritual themes of the show. These people weren't compelled by fate to come together, they were maneuvered by a mysterious, but very real, person. Why - I don't know. Is Jacob's origin going to be based on spirituality or faith? I hope not. I don't find that very compelling. It's not that I think it's an invalid way to tell a story; I just don't find it appealing.

So - either spirituality will be the major focus for the island, and Jacob/MiB's existence and actions, or there will be another explanation for all of it. I'm hoping for the latter. I want to see something new.

I agree, if by 'spiritual' what's meant is an instance of Divine Intervention/explanation, ala the Hand of God in The Stand.

I think the spiritualism of this show is subtler than that, and focuses on the act of spiritual searching, not flashy light shows. That's the aspect that I think should arguably be a part of whatever finale extravaganza's being planned.

But this doesn't really subvert the spiritual aspect of the show - it just dials down the mysticism, so to speak. A spiritual quest (as opposed to a religious quest) isn't typically about recieving an outward sign of divinity. It's about an inward journey of discovery - although this journey can, and often is, augmented by signs and portents (typically aided by hallucinogens, or sleep-dep, or sensory-dep) which originate from within the self (see: Kate's Horse, for instance).

Physician, heal thyself. Mankind, know thyself.

What do you mean by "spiritual searching?" Are you talking about a meaning behind all of the events? Or do you mean the characters finding peace? Are you talking about the philosophical implications (ie faith versus science)?

My biggest fear regarding the writers taking a spiritual tack is that they don't know exactly what their point is. It's easy to set up "faith versus science", but it's hard to actually delve into that topic - Lost has not. They have presented the opposition of those concepts, but that's about it. They haven't really dug into the meat of it. Kinda like The Matrix and its sequels - if you don't want to have the discussion, you shouldn't ask the question. Otherwise you've got a half-baked piece of crap with bullet-time.