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post #1 of 223
6/18/09 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post
I know nothing about getting completely fucked out of my mind drunk since I've never had a drink in my life and have no idea what alcohol tastes like
I want to hear who has made this decision and why. Also acceptable will be answers from people who used to drink but no longer drink AT ALL ANYMORE- meaning I don't care if you "stick to beer" these days, or if you have some wine with dinner; I don't want to hear about how you got so fucked up once you didn't drink for a month. This is some full-on lifestyle shit I want to hear about.
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post #2 of 223
6/18/09 at 5:53pm
Alternate thread title: fags.
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post #3 of 223
6/18/09 at 5:55pm
Not familiar with the term, drugs included? Or just booze?
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post #4 of 223
6/18/09 at 5:56pm
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Come on. Aren't you mildly curious about people to whom you can not relate on any level? (I mean that with all due respect to both sides.) It's akin your your fascination with self-definition you once mentioned. I'm xeno-curious.

Definition for Tati. Though I think he will still have no idea how such a person can exist.
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post #5 of 223
6/18/09 at 5:57pm
I didn't drink until I was 21, so I know what that breed is like. Cowardly and full of smugness.

Weirdly enough I was doing acid and huffing paint thinner long before I took a drink. I have a family history of alcoholism.
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post #6 of 223
6/18/09 at 5:58pm
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You were self-medicating! With paint thinner!
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post #7 of 223
6/18/09 at 5:59pm
I no longer get drunk, because a) I'm a terribly mean drunk, b) the hangover isn't worth it because I feel near-death the next day, and c) I'm diabetic and getting drunk will kill me. I'll have a beer with Mexican food, but that's it.

Got no problem with herb, though, when I can get it (which is rare).
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post #8 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:00pm
Nordling Can't Follow Thread Directions
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post #9 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:01pm
Well you sure have created a welcoming environment in this thread for people to open up about this!
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post #10 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:03pm
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Devin Ruined My Thread! Usually it's the no-taste faction that does that.

Anyway, you're all grown-ups, you can get back on track when you like. Nordling, take your insulin.
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post #11 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:03pm
I have a really close friend who is a pilot. He gave up alcohol strictly as a business decision about 15 years ago: if he gets a DWI or any kind of alcohol-related trouble, his career is essentially over. Much like me, he went through the whole binge-drinking phase in college and grew out of it, so he really doesn't miss it too much. He's cool about other people drinking around him and is happy to be the designated driver if necessary.

This was to counter Devin's comment regarding cowardly and smug non-drinkers.
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post #12 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:14pm
The only thing that bothers me about most people who have decided to NEVER have a drink or try any drugs is that they won't fess up to the fact that it is an entirely fear-based choice.
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post #13 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:19pm
People who quit don't count. People who have never started better fit what Phil was looking for I believe. And whomever those people are I..do..not..trust...them...one...bit. People who don't drink have some dark secret, I promise you.
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post #14 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Nordling Can't Follow Thread Directions
My wife drank once, a strawberry daiquiri, which she instantly vomited. Never drank since. There, back on track.
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post #15 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:20pm
I'm 23 and I've never finished a beer; I didn't like the taste of it. I had a jello shot once and I think some hard lemonade. I'm open to trying different beers, though.
Some reasons why: none of my friends really drink, which is not exactly the norm when in college. And if I'm at a party, I usually have to drive home, so I go with soda or something.
I don't know, I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.
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post #16 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:22pm
Just to clarify: this is about people who have conciously decided to NEVER have a drink, without ever having tried it. Quitters and people with medical excuses need not apply. Also exempt if you just don't like the taste/or affect.
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post #17 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:25pm
I didn't drink at all until a few years ago (before my current job) because of my friends when I was a teenager. I think I got too traumatized by what Neanderthals* they became when they drank, and maybe to devin's point I did want to prove myself to have more self control than them.

* One of them got so drunk at age 12-13 he got alcohol poisoning they had to pump his stomach. Some of these guys are still drunks today, of course they won't admit it.

** Never had a beer, probably related to this.
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post #18 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:26pm
I rarely drink. But only because, I'm not keen on the taste of alcohol.
So I usually drink those fruity tasting drinks like Mike's Hard Lemonade ... and who can really get drunk on those?
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post #19 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:27pm
Can anyone follow the simple instructions in post one?

Prognosis is not good!
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post #20 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by Aquafresh View Post
Just to clarify: this is about people who have conciously decided to NEVER have a drink, without ever having tried it. Quitters and people with medical excuses need not apply. Also exempt if you just don't like the taste/or affect.
Um...

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Originally Posted by Phil
Also acceptable will be answers from people who used to drink but no longer drink AT ALL ANYMORE
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post #21 of 223
6/18/09 at 6:36pm
Didn't mean to step on Phil's toes there, sorry Phil.
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post #22 of 223
6/18/09 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
I didn't drink until I was 21, so I know what that breed is like. Cowardly and full of smugness.

Weirdly enough I was doing acid and huffing paint thinner long before I took a drink. I have a family history of alcoholism.
This explains so much.

While I drink occassionally (only hard stuff, no beer), I have never done any form of illegal drug. No weed, no pills, nothing. Guess I'm just a prude.
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post #23 of 223
6/18/09 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by Anakin's Dad View Post

While I drink occassionally (only hard stuff, no beer), I have never done any form of illegal drug. No weed, no pills, nothing. Guess I'm just a prude.
You're not a prude, you are just afraid of illegal drugs.
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post #24 of 223
6/18/09 at 7:52pm
Who is that guy?
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post #25 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:01pm
This thread has the makings of a classic. As someone with a relationship to alcohol not unlike Devin, I'll be looking on with great curiosity.
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post #26 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:09pm
I have friends who can't drink at all, because they used to have bad drug problems and drinking leads them back down that road pretty much instantaneously. They tried having a few drinks one night and it almost ended with them breaking up.

As for people who've never had a drink(or done any drugs), I don't really understand it. Curiosity killed the cat and all that, but a few drinks aren't going to leave you puking up blood in a jail cell. Is it just fear of a worst case scenario?
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post #27 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by Nexus-7 View Post

As for people who've never had a drink(or done any drugs), I don't really understand it. Curiosity killed the cat and all that, but a few drinks aren't going to leave you puking up blood in a jail cell. Is it just fear of a worst case scenario?
I honestly believe that's what they think, more or less. They are afraid of completely losing control.
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post #28 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:23pm
I'm one.

I took approximately 3 gulps of some fucking mixed something on my 21st birthday to placate my family and friends, and that remains it.

Anything I've ever sampled has tasted like shit, and I have never seen anything appealing about being drunk, though I take extra care these days not to be judgmental towards people that do.

Interestingly enough, I've found most conversations like this involve those that do drink/use getting incredibly defensive and threatened by the decision- demanding that I jump through philosophical hoops to justify it. I really just don't care.
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post #29 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:33pm
Has Phil actually found anyone who fits his description yet? All right, I'll be the first. (EDIT: Not the first, Renn...)

Didn't have a beer until I was 24, but had tried acid, mushrooms, and pot brownies once or twice in university. For a few years thereafter, I drank occasionally, got drunk a few times, even wretched into a sewer grating one evening. Then, sometime in my 27th year, I stopped, and I haven't since and won't again.

Don't have the time right now, so I'll go into explanations later. Plus this gives you guys time to rip into me before I do.
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post #30 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by Aquafresh View Post
I honestly believe that's what they think, more or less. They are afraid of completely losing control.
I've never been drunk, and mostly avoid drinking in general because I don't want to lose control. You can call it being afraid, I don't know if I see it that way but that may be one way to view it. I just don't want to act like an idiot without my consent.
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post #31 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by Renn Brown View Post
Interestingly enough, I've found most conversations like this involve those that do drink/use getting incredibly defensive and threatened by the decision- demanding that I jump through philosophical hoops to justify it. I really just don't care.
Exactly. I'm a little curious why for some people drinking (or even drugs) is such a big part of their lives, it's hard for them to imagine not doing so.
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post #32 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:43pm
I've never had a drink in my life. Same goes for illegal drugs. Basically everyone in my family is an alcoholic, so I admit that the reason I never started was fear of losing control. I was diagnosed with diabetes a few years ago and that pretty much sealed the deal. The only thing that is bad about it is that some people think that I think I'm too good to drink with them or some shit, but it's really just a personal choice, and now a medical choice.
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post #33 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:44pm
It's one thing to be drunk and another to be black out drunk. Non-drinkers know there's a difference, right?

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Originally Posted by Nicholas View Post
Exactly. I'm a little curious why for some people drinking (or even drugs) is such a big part of their lives, it's hard for them to imagine not doing so.
I'm one of those people. I can't imagine not drinking. It's how I socialize. But I also know how to drink responsibly. You'll never see me like one of those internet photos passed out on the side of the street with my skirt over my face. I can ALWAYS get myself home.
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post #34 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
It's one thing to be drunk and another to be black out drunk. Non-drinkers know there's a difference, right?
Yes, but I don't want to be either.
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post #35 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by Aquafresh View Post
You're not a prude, you are just afraid of illegal drugs.
Sure, when I was younger and saw how it wrecked the lives of several family members. I was terrified of the stuff. Strong addictions run in my family, and I didn't want to get messed up in that.

Now, I just don't see the point. I wouldn't even know how to start. If you're nearing thirty and have never done drugs is it "worth it" to seek them out (or, to stay on topic, if you've waited this long would it be worth it to start drinking)?
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post #36 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:47pm
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It's one thing to be drunk and another to be black out drunk. Non-drinkers know there's a difference, right?
Of course. I don't know why it matters, though.
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post #37 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:47pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
I've never been drunk, and mostly avoid drinking in general because I don't want to lose control. You can call it being afraid,
I do call it being afraid. And you know what? That's OK. I live in Los Angeles and I am afraid to ride a bike on the streets. Lots of people do it here and are just fine, but I'm afraid to get mangled by a car so I don't. I can admit that I'm afraid.

The weird thing about the issue at hand is that no one seems to want to admit that their choice of lifestyle is a result of fear. In fact, most teetotalers convince themselves that they are courageous, standing against the norms, etc. They've warped it so their fear is actually courage.

Why? Just admit that you are afraid. It's OK.
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post #38 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:48pm
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Originally Posted by Renn Brown View Post
Of course. I don't know why it matters, though.
Exactly.
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post #39 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by Renn Brown View Post
Of course. I don't know why it matters, though.
If this was in response to my question, it matters because of the belief stated in this thread that people who are drunk have no ability to control their thoughts and actions. It's not like some switch in your brain turns off and you are just on autopilot.
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post #40 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by Aquafresh View Post
I do call it being afraid. And you know what? That's OK. I live in Los Angeles and I am afraid to ride a bike on the streets. Lots of people do it here and are just fine, but I'm afraid to get mangled by a car so I don't. I can admit that I'm afraid.

The weird thing about the issue at hand is that no one seems to want to admit that their choice of lifestyle is a result of fear. In fact, most teetotalers convince themselves that they are courageous, standing against the norms, etc. They've warped it so their fear is actually courage.

Why? Just admit that you are afraid. It's OK.
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Originally Posted by Dross View Post
I've never had a drink in my life. Same goes for illegal drugs. Basically everyone in my family is an alcoholic, so I admit that the reason I never started was fear of losing control. I was diagnosed with diabetes a few years ago and that pretty much sealed the deal. The only thing that is bad about it is that some people think that I think I'm too good to drink with them or some shit, but it's really just a personal choice, and now a medical choice.

Just admit that you have no reading comprehension skills and just want to post as much as possible. It's OK.
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post #41 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by Dross View Post
Just admit that you have no reading comprehension skills and just want to post as much as possible. It's OK.
Dude, I didn't even see your initial post, but get all pissed off if it makes you feel better.
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post #42 of 223
6/18/09 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
If this was in response to my question, it matters because of the belief stated in this thread that people who are drunk have no ability to control their thoughts and actions. It's not like some switch in your brain turns off and you are just on autopilot.
So you don't believe that some people have self-control issues that may lead to them drinking enough that they might make bad decisions or inhibit their motor skills. Surely you're not one of these "I can drive just fine when I'm drunk" people.
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post #43 of 223
6/18/09 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by Dross View Post
So you don't believe that some people have self-control issues that may lead to them drinking enough that they might make bad decisions or inhibit their motor skills. Surely you're not one of these "I can drive just fine when I'm drunk" people.
Drunk driving is one of my biggest pet peeves. Of course, there are some people who have self-control issues. I don't blame it on the alcohol per se. It's possible to have several drinks without getting fraternity party blitzed. Barring a genetic disposition to alcoholism, a lot of people just make poor life choices - sober or no.

Edit to add, having spent much of my life in bars, there are definitely certain people who cannot handle their liquor no matter how little they drink. The slightest drink makes them go nuts. That said, these folks are far and few between. Of course, they probably wouldn't be in bars if they knew they couldn't hold their liquor so I admit my assumption is based on a biased sample.
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post #44 of 223
6/18/09 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Drunk driving is one of my biggest pet peeves. Of course, there are some people who have self-control issues. I don't blame it on the alcohol per se. It's possible to have several drinks without getting fraternity party blitzed. Barring a genetic disposition to alcoholism, a lot of people just make poor life choices - sober or no.
Fair enough. I just always figured I didn't need any help making poor choices, I do fine on my own.
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post #45 of 223
6/18/09 at 9:07pm
I've seen too many drunk people just do stuff they'd regret if they'd have been sober, that's enough reason for me not to join their ranks.
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post #46 of 223
6/18/09 at 9:10pm
Without knowing what regrets you're talking about, that's part of growing up though. I have regrets from choices I've made sober as well. That doesn't seem like a big enough reason to refrain from alcohol - for me. I don't hold any judgments if it does for you. Though admittedly, I really can't understand not even being curious about drinking. There are so many wonderful kinds out there. A fruity wine in the summer, a hearty beer with pizza or chicken wings, whiskey to top of a great night... I need a drink...
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post #47 of 223
6/19/09 at 1:48am
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post #48 of 223
6/19/09 at 1:57am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
I've seen too many drunk people just do stuff they'd regret if they'd have been sober, that's enough reason for me not to join their ranks.
Dude, this is the best reason to drink there is.
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post #49 of 223
6/19/09 at 2:01am
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Originally Posted by Aquafresh View Post
The weird thing about the issue at hand is that no one seems to want to admit that their choice of lifestyle is a result of fear.
Every drug I haven't tried has been due to fear. I'm curious to know what every last drug feels like. But I'm not a resilient 19 year-old, and it's too late to start trying some of them.
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post #50 of 223
6/19/09 at 2:16am
I never tried PCP or Special K because I was scared shitless of them.

I didn't mean to imply that people who were posting here weren't copping to it. Bad wording on my part. I was really talking about people in general.
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