TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN Post Release - Page 3

To add to Devin's questions.

- Ask yourself WHY the fuck there's a scene in which a "Dead" Sam is congratulated by Angelic Deceptacons (Who even appear bathed in white light)?
- How can the Giant Sandsucking Deceptacon "Form" when they just learned of the Matrix's position mere moments earlier?
- Why the fuck do we get a close up of Tuturros' naked ass?

Honestly the film plays like a really expensive workprint. I thought the first film was somewhat unweildy, but even with less subplots going on this film just feels messier.

In the interest of fairness I will mention some things I liked...

- Shia. I don't know what it is but he's just able to pull something off in these films, and by that I mean he's able to act somewhat convincingly.
- Same goes for Josh Duhmel.
- The effects are glorious at times. But then you realise how much money they could've saved by cutting stuff out and you get sad again.
- One or two moments of Comedy are actually funny. Genuine intentional comedy in a Michael Bay film, I would never have thought it.

And for now that's about it.

Rats.

I was really hoping that this would knock the first one out of the park.

But retarded robots? Less action?

I'm still gonna see it with high hopes, but ugh.

Well - since only two people here have seen it, what were your expectations on the content on a thread started this early? Just the two of you chatting back and forth?

Just sayin'. Everyone's gonna' try and get info out of you now.

Well it's out in the UK, so that justifies the thread being started. I was gonna catch it today but didn't manage to. Bad word be damned, I'm still going to see it!

The sequel to a silly Michael Bay-directed movie about robots from outer space based on a kids cartoon is bad?

Well colour me surprised.

I missed that. I stayed out of the Terminator thread.

I can see this movie easily under-performing. I went to the 6 o'clock show and the theater was only two-thirds full (a surprise in itself), but what was really telling was the reaction from the two kids in front of me - both wanted to leave around the 90 minute mark. Furthermore, a load of families left a couple of scenes before the credits. Bay has succeeded in boring a huge segment of his target market.

I enjoyed the first movie, but this was just an endurance test.

I quite enjoyed it, although it's definitely overlong.

The parents played to huge laughs in my screening,I chuckled once or twice and felt bad for it afterwards. In fact, the entire screenplay/dialogue shambles seemed to go down really well. It's odd, because a similar thing happened with Wolverine.

Also:

• The female Terminator. The entire thing felt like Bay trying to show McG how it was meant to be done, only to end up having her have the world's least dangerous tail/tongue. He even pulled out a car chase from T2.
• Jetfire seemed to go on for ages. I'm pretty sure that was the point of the film that expanded it from 1hr 45 to seemingly 2 and a half hours. The exposition was clunky and badly placed - hell, they didn't even bother putting it over the top of one of the 40 various "driving in convoy" longshots that the film didn't need.
• The fights were better this time round. I knew what I was letting myself in for and figured i'd judge the toy movie on what it was really about - seemingly there was some kind of choreography going on this time and it felt like a vast improvement over the original.
• Word to the humans: bullets don't hurt Transformers, so stop fucking using them. Yet Megan Fox can tame Decepticons with a blowtorch and hotpants.
• Are the Twins meant to be Mexican?
• This closed to applause. That's odd for a UK audience. I was slightly stunned.

This is going to make silly money. I didn't pay though, which I think improved my experience.

Wow, I really didn't like this movie at all. If any of you have ever been in the Armageddon thread it's apparent that I have an affinity for Michael Bay movies for some reason that even I haven't figured out yet, but this movie was pretty bad. The fight scenes were okay (more would have been nice), but at least the first one had a solid pace and charm to it, this one was just... weird. Although if action movie one-liners tickle your fancy this is still the place to get your fix.

Skywarp always could!!!11

Ahem. But yeah, everyone I know who's seen it has had very little good to say about it so far. I think I'll wait for the inevitable post Queen's Speech showing on telly Christmas 2014. Or maybe just flick over to The Great Escape instead.

About the racism:

This is nothing new in Bay's flicks. See The Island, The Rock, a deleted scene from Transformers, and Armageddon. All of which feature some form of "loud, annoying black man/woman."

?

In the DVD? Don't remember any deleted scenes...

There was a scene in the extended IMAX cut of Lennox going into a pawn shop in Mission City and sweet-talking a sassy Black woman into giving him some walkie talkies. Don't know if it's on the DVD.

It's a really, really bad movie (and I'm another who quite liked the first one). Almost nothing in the film makes sense, there's godawful 'it's your destiny' shit in the end, the Fallen is an incredibly weak villain who gets beaten in about 3 seconds in the final fight.

The big evil plan is to destroy the sun. What the fuck. I know it's a giant robot movie, but fuck.

was there an aircraft carrier-sized Transformer? If not than the Bay has lost it.

No carrier transformer.

The Bay seems nervous:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/21/michae...mtv-l-a-times/


"...I have been waiting, and waiting for the anticipation of an 'event movie' to make it into the 'public zeitgeist,'" Bay writes.

Bay calls the print campaign an "abject failure," with a "pathetic presence" in the L.A. Times. He's especially pissed about the profile of the movie on the MTV Video Awards, calling it "so lame."

But here's the best part. Bay name-drops Jerry Bruckheimer, saying Jerry always told him "a studio that does not make [the opening of a movie] an event.... will get bitten in the ass." He then adds, "Besides my good friend Steven [Spielberg], Jerry has made a lot more successful movies then (sic) all of us."

Bay then asks, sarcastically, "Is this is a cash issue with your company?"

In fairness, on June 6, Bay clearly had a change of heart, sending an email to Grey and others at Paramount, praising them for treating him well, adding ..."Paramount is like family. Thank you all for busting your butts and bringing your 'A game' for the release of Transformers."

QFT

I think he has a point. The movie may be crap, but the marketing has been really bad for this.

His dream of a perfect marketing campaign might be a bit unrealistic.
"public zeitgeist"?? How would a movie about fighting robot toys enter the public zeitgeist?

In Germany a huge problem might be the title. They just dropped everything except: TRANSFORMERS: The Revenge.
and the Revenge is tiny, tiny on the poster. Some might even think it's the same old movie.

How do you advertise something like that? No 2 in the title, no clue about who wants revenge or for what. No stars Europeans would recognize, just a bunch of metallic things posing on the poster.
This isn't ESB. People didn't wait anxiously for this to come out.

Such a scene should only have ever been seen on a huge IMAX screen.

saw this yesterday. I paid for another movie that was showing later, and got my money back after this was done.

Christ am I glad I did that. I would have falcon punched myself if I'd have contributed $10 to Bay's coke habit after being subjected to this brainless bullshit. Pure celluloid filth. There were like several fight scenes total, and the rest of the movie was comprised of lame ass, written-for-10 year olds jokes and racist "black" Transformers who find books to be the bane of their existence. The worst part of it all, is that the audience was actually laughing at these things. I couldn't believe it. If anyone here has seen Idiocracy, you remember the part where Joe went to watch Ass: The Movie, and the audience was cracking up at the sight of a bare, naked ass that occassionally farted, while Joe just sat there in disbelief. That's how I felt. I felt like I was surrounded by zombies.

anyways. In summary, it's an overly long movie that moves along at the pace of snails fucking, one cool fight scene that you can wait for it to hit Youtube in a few months, gratuitous Megan Fox ass shots, and alot of bad jokes. Enjoy.

Oddly all the bad word of mouth has me a little interested now, whereas I had no plans to see this before. The rampant racism, the bad jokes, the ass shots, Bay's ridiculous indulgences... I'm in the mood to see a good, expensive train wreck. I'll see this, but pay ticket price for a movie that actually deserves it.

also, I'm sick of people saying, "all I want to see is explosions and boooooms!". People, it doesnt matter how many explosions and giant robots you have on screen if the story is completely unengaging. Everything falls apart without a decent script, this movie included. When you aren't emotionally invested (relatively speaking) in the characters, the story sucks, and everyone talks like a retard, the explosions all of a sudden arent much fun at all, and all you're left with is a soulless piece of mindnumbing junk.

I know the new catch-phrase is "ahhh just shut your brain off and eat your popcorn", but fuck that. That's like telling someone in prison to close their eyes while they're being raped and pretend its all a bad dream. I really wish that saying would die out already.

Pretty soon people are gonna offer "well, it's a decent way to kill two hours" or some such nonsense as a serious defense. I could kill two hours jerking off, reading a book, doing work, etc. etc. and I'm sure as hell I'll feel more productive than I would sitting in a theater putting myself through Wolverine Origins or Terminator Salvation.

I think the reasoning behind the lack of an aggressive campaign (or at least as aggressive as the one for the first film) is because the studio doesn't think that they have to spend as much to get as much this time. A ton of folks saw the first one, so perhaps they figure that they don't have to blanket us with TF2 ads since they feel that their opening weekend is a done deal already.

So, no AVATAR trailer attached to this?

Yeah, but if that's the thinking that the studio is using that that would be a mistake. The first one was somewhat of a surprise success, so i would think that if anything they would want to ramp up the ads for the sequel and quality of the marketing.

Why do you want 2 transformers threads filling the top spot? The movie is out and it's not like people are (or ever will be) interrupting your discussion about this movie with unrelated nonsense. As far as I can tell people are sharing their thoughts on the movie.

You'll ban me for that? Seriously man...

It is my fervent hope that this inexcerable pile of cinematic butt-vomit will make the people who give the first film a pass take their fucking blinkers off, feel bad about themselves, repent, and stop going to movies like this so more don't get made. Transformers The First was unwatchable bilge. Countless millions went to see it. Some more than once. Then bought the DVD.To those who 'loved' the first - you are getting what you deserved with Fallen. WHAT YOU DESERVED.

Sorry. Lost the run of myself there. It's just that Transformers is the perfect encapsulation of everything that is wrong with Hollywood films. It is the pure epitome of why 95% of mainstream films suck balls.

How can a movie directed by Michael Bay with a vast budget about big robots fighting each other and the US military be so very, very, very boring? How?

What the hell was the 'dream sequence' about? Who was 'The Fallen' having revenge on? He just seemed really angry in general.

I hope Deep Roy got deep money for that cameo.

Christ almighty. Did I really type that?

I gave the first a pity pass because it pretty much delivered on the premise and wasn't as terrible as I expected; then again, I saw it free with an appreciative crowd after a pleasant night out and never bothered with it again so maybe my perceptions were a bit skewed. It's certainly not something I ever need to see again, but I don't know if it was particularly insulting or if the world would be a better place without it.

I think TRANSFORMERS was ok, and I think that was because it didnt have pretensions to being anything else other than robots come to Earth, fight, good guys win, the end.
In ROTF you get this whole mythology about Primes, The Fallen, blowing up suns to maintain the Decepticon race. Its terrible shit, it really is. And it feels so long, there is a huge section in the middle with Tuturro and going to Egypt which is interminable.

Bay blows up a library in this too. Its literally like hes saying FUCK YOU to loads of people.

And Devin is spot on about the racism. Its incredible, it really is.

Did the "black" robots cheer?

They arent in it at that point, but later they say something like 'we dont do readin, bro' to Shia when he asks about the runes he keeps seeing.

Yes. With the possible exception of the dubious racial stuff, the first Transformers movie didn't just include all the shortcomings now being attributed to its sequel, it embodied them like no film had ever embodied them. The fact that with this film everyone suddenly feels that Bay has crossed some line that he hadn't already crossed numerous times actually makes me slightly intrigued to see it.

Ha, he goes out of his way to be racist. Oh Micheal Bay, you're the Toby Keith of filmmaking.

Phil Connors, Yes I got what I...Deserved! Transformers was such a...Transformative experience, that it was the...#1 film of 2007!

Did it have the Megatron awakening his Army ending I read in the novelization?

Only because the movie itself caused them to fall asleep.

Hmmm...bought pre release tickets from Arclight for the Wednesday afternoon show...then rented the blu-ray for T1 and cringed...man is that a terrible movie. I liked it the first time in the theater for the sheer onslaught the movie delivered. When you actually have time to digest it a second time...the movie is like a huge distraction.

So now I'm hearing T2 sucks...I was never excited for this movie, and I just bought the ticket out of curiosity, but now I'd rather spend the money on Tetro. Fuck this movie, fuck Hollywood...it's like a pretty rich kid who keeps getting D's, fucking things up and smiling his way through trouble...and people keep going, "well, he could be worse?"

I know it's an old, tired question, but why do we keep supporting shit like this???

Ambler, For one...who cares about, Tetro? Why skip one of the soon to be...epic films of 2009 because of a few bad reviews. I almost never agree with critics reviews. Even in the case of...The Dark Knight. While alot of critics said it was the best superhero film of 2008, I diasagreed with that assessment as...Punisher War Zone, Iron Man, Hellboy II, and The Spirit were better films, making TDK only the...5th best superhero film.

Who cares about Tetro?

Goodbye.

Man, this movie looks terrible. Think I might just go see Up for the third time this weekend (or Tetro, now that Ambler mentioned it).

So, does this have more wide angles than the last one during the fight sequences?

(And a shitload of other people.)

Yeah, Coppola, that hack... He's never made a film as good as The Spirit. All that talking and not a single toilet fight. Weak.

Shouldn't all this talk be in the pre-release thread, though? I know I shouldn't be contributing to the derail, but I just couldn't turn down the chance to take a dig at The Spirit.