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post #1 of 26
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First off, I have no plans for seeing the new 'Transformers' movie. The Post-Release thread for it has pretty much convinced me not to waste my time on it.

However, it's looking like it's going to make an absolute boatload of cash over the next couple of weeks, quality be damned.

I suspect that Robotech might get fast tracked in order to cash in on the success of the latest Transformers film. More robots, more fights, more explosions...why not go for it?

Now, I've always preferred Robotech to any of the Transformers stuff. It wasn't Shakespeare, but it was certainly more dramatic and thought out than most other cartoons. The story progressed from episode to episode and characters died; much more was at stake than merely robots beating each other up. There's more MEAT to Robotech.

I'm worried that all of that meat may get swept aside in an effort to create a Transformers-sized spectacle.

Anyone else concerned?
post #2 of 26
In full disclosure, I'm not familar with Robotech. But it's got Akiva Goldsmith's fingerprints all over it. 'Nuff said.
post #3 of 26
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In full disclosure, I'm not familar with Robotech. But it's got Akiva Goldsmith's fingerprints all over it. 'Nuff said.
Ah FUCK. I just knew that Tobey Maguire was championing the film in a major way.
post #4 of 26
I have no concerns, but vague memories of a Robotech novel, Robot Jox, and Voltron. Giant robots look cool, a story about them could be told in an interesting way, but because of budgets and demographics, we seem destined for fart jokes/the ending of I Am Legend.

It always comes back to the fact that viewers are helpless on both ends. We can't help what we're nostalgic for, what was sold to us when we were young, and we can't help what's sold to us now. The solution is not to play the game, or rather to support those who make movies in other ways.

Because here's how it goes: complain, complain, complain, complain. Movie comes out. Complain, complain, complain, die.
post #5 of 26
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Both Robotech and Star Blazers actually had stories to tell, though. Epic movies with actual characters and story arcs that people could get involved with and care about COULD BE MADE from these two properties; Sure, some of the source material for Robotech should be excised (I don't want to see Minmei singing 'We Will Win' in the midst of a battle, nor do I want to see Lancer dress in drag), but it's pretty good stuff in general. Turning it into FX porn would be a real waste.
post #6 of 26
Judas Booth, You don't want to hear...We Will Win, in a Robotech film? The song is beautifully patriotic to the crew of the SDF-1, and it is just a...Glorious song! I do not care about...Lancer, I want to see the pairing of Rick Hunter and Lisa Hayes on the silver screen. I just hope that there is enough shock and awe to go with the terrific story of Macross, Robotech in the USA.
post #7 of 26
I cant help wonder if they will change Roy Fokker's last name, to protect "the kiddies".
post #8 of 26
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No, I DON'T want to hear 'We Will Win'. That belongs in the cartoon and it WORKS in the cartoon. I can't see that working on the big screen in any way, shape, or form.

I'd also love to see all three of the generational story arcs done as movies. The first one, the Macross Saga, is probably the strongest story overall, but the other two are quite enjoyable as well. I also like how they build upon what happens in the first story and don't merely rehash what's been done before.
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No, I DON'T want to hear 'We Will Win'. That belongs in the cartoon and it WORKS in the cartoon. I can't see that working on the big screen in any way, shape, or form.
If they get a singer/actress in the project, believe me, we will hear something far, far worse.
I cant help how further Hollywood will go to "americanize" Robotech...hell, I still remember when otakus the world over went ballistic because of that live action "Evangelion" production designs with americanized names.
post #10 of 26
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If they get a singer/actress in the project, believe me, we will hear something far, far worse.
I cant help how further Hollywood will go to "americanize" Robotech...hell, I still remember when otakus the world over went ballistic because of that live action "Evangelion" production designs with americanized names.
You couldn't have excised her singing from that big battle without re-drawing major sections of it - they had to leave it intact. For the movie, it's a blank slate; there are many ways to feak out the Zentraedi without parading a nymphette in front of their viewscreens singing a Mariah Carey song. I'm not saying that she needs to do a double anal in front of them, but she sure as hell doesn't need to sing.
post #11 of 26
Judas Booth, No...Minmay's singing does actually turn the tide. Apparantly, The Zentradi have never developed...Earplugs, Which would have been defense against UN Spacey's...ultimate weapon...Minmay, which crippled a mighty war fleet. I just want to see...The Macross Saga.
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You couldn't have excised her singing from that big battle without re-drawing major sections of it - they had to leave it intact. For the movie, it's a blank slate; there are many ways to feak out the Zentraedi without parading a nymphette in front of their viewscreens singing a Mariah Carey song. I'm not saying that she needs to do a double anal in front of them, but she sure as hell doesn't need to sing.
All the humans need to do then is project "Irreversible" or "Requiem from a dream" during the battle...the Zentraedi would surely say "Fuck invading these creepy douchebags" and go home.
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Judas Booth, No...Minmay's singing does actually turn the tide. Apparantly, The Zentradi have never developed...Earplugs, Which would have been defense against UN Spacey's...ultimate weapon...Minmay, which crippled a mighty war fleet. I just want to see...The Macross Saga.
I remember a childhood friend who said that all the song really did was making the humans fight all out just so she would shut the fuck up.
post #14 of 26
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Judas Booth, No...Minmay's singing does actually turn the tide. Apparantly, The Zentradi have never developed...Earplugs, Which would have been defense against UN Spacey's...ultimate weapon...Minmay, which crippled a mighty war fleet. I just want to see...The Macross Saga.
I hope that they reduce that moment to just her kiss with Kyle. Human sexuality was what freaked them out the most. It was a cultural awakening in them that had been long suppressed by the Robotech Masters.
post #15 of 26
I'm not concerned, but I'd still like to see a decent shot at this, even though I suspect the bad in it will outweigh the good.
post #16 of 26
My casting for Robotech...
Tobey Maguire-Rick Hunter ( I am assuming, since TM is producing, he may want the lead role)
Anna Paquin-Lisa Hayes
Jake Busey-Roy Fokker
Sam Neill-Admiral Gloval
Katy Perry-(If they change her race) Minmay.
Aya Ueto (if they keep her asian)
Can anyone recommend a singer of Chinese origin as, I do not know any?
post #17 of 26
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I can see Tobey either being Rick Hunter or Max Sterling. Rick may be the lead, but Max is the coolest character. He'd also be a great Roy Fokker.

Casting him as Rick would also require them to change the character in many ways, as Rick was around 18 years old in the cartoon. Part of his story arc is watching him grow up during the war, assume responsibility, and become a leader. He's the same age (roughly) as Minmei and a good 15 years younger than Lisa, setting up the unusual love triangle that dominates the soap opera elements of the story.

Someone like Anton Yelchin would be perfect for the role of Rick, as he's portrayed in the cartoon.
post #18 of 26
Honestly I think we can probably expect every giant robot property we all grew up with as being at the very least optioned after the success of Bays shitfests, from both Voltrons all the way through to obscure stuff like Voltes 5.

I also expect to hear word that that dead WETA take on Gundam Seed has been ressurected any day now.

It'll be giant robot-o-rama for the next few years, superheros are stalling.
post #19 of 26
hey, Transformers 2 is not bad at all, you should at least give it a shot. I for one would love to see a Robotech film. but with the book being so grand and large, it'll HAVE to be broken up in a series of films.
post #20 of 26
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I can see Tobey either being Rick Hunter or Max Sterling. Rick may be the lead, but Max is the coolest character. He'd also be a great Roy Fokker.
As nerdy as this sounds, I always liked the Max character better. I couldn't deal with the crybaby Rick Hunter. Didn't Max also end up banging an alien chick or something?
post #21 of 26
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hey, Transformers 2 is not bad at all, you should at least give it a shot.
Every credible account on Earth disagrees with your assessment. The 21% on Rotten Tomatoes and 37 on Metacritic don't help either.

Frankly, I thought the "We Will Win" segment was already pretty embarrassing in the cartoon. Making it work in a movie would be nightmarish. I guess we could at least hope that the movie would hire someone who can actually sing. That would be an improvement right there.

As much as I'd like to see what competent filmmakers (meaning not Michael Bay) could do with properties like Robotech and Star Blazers, the gargantuan budgets required to realize them almost guarantees safe, middle-of-the-road thinking from investors desperate to get their money back.

If you ask me (and you didn't), CG animation would be the correct route for these things. But that will never happen. The excitement around projects like this is always the curiosity of seeing them in live action, logic be damned.
post #22 of 26
I don't think Tobey Maguire has clout to push it into the right direction. For me, he didn't make SPIDER-MAN and I surely didn't go see Tobey as Peter Parker. Indeed, ROBOTECH is unique in it's own way - but to be translated into a feature film will take the right kind of money and creative minds to see this through is rather daunting.
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As nerdy as this sounds, I always liked the Max character better. I couldn't deal with the crybaby Rick Hunter. Didn't Max also end up banging an alien chick or something?
Max ended up marrying Miriya, a Zentraedi who had been micronized. Together, they had a daughter named Dana Sterling. A grown up Dana was the main character in the second series against the Robotech Masters.

Max was beyond cool.

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Frankly, I thought the "We Will Win" segment was already pretty embarrassing in the cartoon. Making it work in a movie would be nightmarish. I guess we could at least hope that the movie would hire someone who can actually sing. That would be an improvement right there.
There are ways to do this sequence without doing a song.
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Shouldn't a Robotech movie be assembled out of pieces of three other movies dub-edited into a single film?
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Shouldn't a Robotech movie be assembled out of pieces of three other movies dub-edited into a single film?

 

And then redub the finished film ala 'WHAT'S UP, TIGERLILY?' to make it coherent.

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