Gargoyles

Yeah, it's a great show. I keep meaning to buy them on DVD but never got around to it. Some of the content is pretty mature. I mean in the first episode, the gargoyles murder humans. If I remember right, Goliath drops a couple of them to their death.


And anything with Keith David in it is almost always enjoyable.

EDIT: ...and plus it's got vocal talents of Frank Welker! And Ed Asner!

What are you talking about? Who said anything about shitty voice talents?

All it's missing is Maurice LaMarche and Billy West and it'd be perfect!

I still remember the "very special" episode where Broadway accidentally shot Elisa.

Great episode! Damn I wish I could get youtube at work so I can watch it.

The show's only sin was being scheduled at the same time as Batman: The Animated Series. Good as Gargoyles was, it NEVER gonna win that coin toss.

Well, Gargoyles came on in 94, which is soon before I stopped watching Batman. I really didn't care for the last couple seasons. But for sure, before Gargoyles I'd have to say Batman and the Pirates of Dark Water were my two favorite 90's toons. Though I haven't seen Pirates since they originally aired. Probably didn't age well.

I can attest, DO NOT go looking for Pirates of Dark Water. I loved it as a kid; tracked down a torrent of it somewhere a few years back and it was shit. Keep those memories happy.

I know what you mean. I went through the same with with ThunderCats when those came to DVD. They were so much better when I was in elementary school.

Speaking of ThunderCats, anybody remember it's underwater equivalent? TigerSharks! Now those I'd like to see again, just for laughs.

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As I recall, she wasn't all fine and dandy in the next episode, either. Wasn't she in the hospital for a few episodes afterward? It was a nice touch.

Yeah, she walked around with a sling for a while.

I've got to hand it to the show. The way myth was handled and explored, fascinating. Not to mention to later discover that gargoyles existed all over the world.

Although I'm surprised there's no mention of the episode where Puck makes the Gargoyles human and everyone else gargoyle.

But yeah, Pirates of Dark Water? Terrible.

I always feel like an outsider on this one, because despite having a great concept and good animation, I always thought this show was pretty much standard kiddie dreck. I thought that for the handful of episodes I caught when I was a kid, and then when I tracked down the first season more recently I thought the same thing. Except for the basic setup, the plots were usually the kind of farfetched silliness that you'd find in kid's shows of the time (or the lousier comic books of the 80s), but it took itself so seriously that it became a little annoying. It was TMNT without the wit and humour, or Batman: TAS without the imaginativeness or character work.

Actually, that was really what killed it for me, more than the stupidity of the "cyber gargoyles" or "the Pack"--the fact that there never seemed to be anything driving the stories. The gargoyles just seemed to wander around New York, getting into trouble, and the bad guy just wanted to screw with them for poorly defined reasons.

I've heard some people claim that the second season is better...I know Batman: TAS's first 10-15 episodes are kind of weak too...so I'll probably give it a shot someday. There's definitely a lot of potential here. If the show did a better job of motivating the characters and using them to drive the plots, it could be really good. But most of what I saw made it seem like the writers had no idea what to do with the premise they had.

Pirates of Dark Water had some pretty awesome pirate toys, though.

Just been re-rewatching a bunch of Gargoyles episodes...great stuff. Though the sexual tension between Goliath and Elisa is a little...off putting, especially in those first few episodes. I don't know what it is about it...

Oh, and you can totally tell which background characters are ALSO voiced by Keith David.

I haven't watched the show since I was 14, but didn't Goliath and Elisa hook up in the end? At the end of season two after they moved back into the castle?

This is another one, like Batman, where the seasons are all unbalanced because they had wildly different episode orders. A quick wikipedia check shows that season one had 13 episodes, season two had 52 and season three had 13 again.