Supernatural Season 5 - Page 6

I just saw soemthing from that Ausiello guy at Entertainment Weekly that makes it sound like episode 8 this season ought to be interesting.

Not really too spoilery (nothing that a preview might not give away), but if any one is interested:

Ausiello: Ever wonder what Supernatural would look like as a sitcom? You’ll find out in episode 8. Laugh track and all.

This might be something Domingo referred to not too long ago, but that's just a guess on my part.

I haven't had time to digest the details, or look for any flaws, but I have to say that was probably my favorite Supernatural episode ever. Great episode, great writing - IMO!

Wow. Just, wow! It's too soon to say if it's my favorite episode so far, but I have NO doubt that it'll occupy my top five. Seriously, it's the first truly GREAT episode of this season as far as I'm concerned (not that the past few have been bad, but DAMN does Edlund set the bar high!)

The dialogue between Satan/Sam and Dean was some truly powerful stuff. Both actors were at the top of their game, Ackles especially. You could just see on his face the moment his heart broke. Nearly brought a tear to my eye.

Luckily Cas was there to bring the funny as well and balanced out this grim chapter of Supernatural. Edlund always brings the goods. I think I'm going to watch it again right now. Just, wow..

Cool episode. Glad to see the boys back together.

Although I thought it would've been cool to see Dean face off against Lucifer in a more epic, gunslinger-style setting -- like the streets of the ruined city in the beginning of the episode -- I suppose the garden confrontation/temptation was more suitably Biblical.

Whatever the future holds for the Winchesters, I sure hope Lexa Doig comes back for some more episodes. Cool to see her as a love interest for Dean. She'd be a welcome presence. I mean, the apocalypse needs a little more sex appeal!

[note: re-edited my comments, as more thoughts came to me]

More like ruined alleyway. Watchmen set right? I don't imagine there would be too much more that could be used for the showdown you suggest.

I suppose it could have been done, but budget-wise and thematically, it probably works better this way.

At full power, if angels can play with time, what kept them from going forward into time for information and then going back and changing things to their favor?

Yeah, I was wondering about that, too.

Contemplating the logic of time travel, even with (especially with?) "magic" is still a headache to make sense of. I'm sure we could all come up with some form of fanwank to explain it.

I watched 3 or 4 episodes of this show before I noticed Edlund's name, and suddenly it became very clear why I was liking this show so much.

It makes me VERY happy to see where Edlund's wonderfully bizarre sensibilities have taken him. It's both surprising and not so surprising how far he's come from that off-beat little comic my friends and I were killing our self laughing over in high-school art class.

Please say it's the triumphant return of the Ghostfacers!

These Things I Think (About "The End"):

- "IT'S NOT FUNNY! The voice told me I only have a few minutes left!!!"

- Cas planning to simply stand on the side of the road until Dean woke up was priceless. He's rapidly becoming my favorite part of the show.

- Was it just me or was the phone conversation between Sam and Dean the show at its most slash fic-iest? "Dean, don't do this!" How in God's name did the actors manage to keep a straight face?

- Loved the return of the Croatoan virus, as well as the excellent homage to 28 Days Later.

- What's up with the white suit there, Lucifer? It's just gonna get dirty.

- Given the grim and gritty (possible) future, I believe Dark Future Dean needed some sort of scar on his face (like Buffy in "Doppelgangland").

One thing though, Lucifer is an angel so using the colt wouldn't kill him. Whatever happened to the angel killing knife?

Technically, we don't know if The Colt would work or not. We haven't seen it since before the angels showed up. And it is supposed to be able to "kill anything", unlike Ruby's knife which I think they've only ever used against demons. But, yeah, I would think that angel killing knife/sword would be a safer bet. Didn't Castiel have it in the premiere? Maybe I'm remembering wrong...

Oh yeah, and this week's episode was awesome, but I've come to expect no less from Edlund. Seeing his name in the opening credits always fills me with giddy anticipation.

Does anyone know how the Producers are going to introduce God into the series? They stated that during previous interviews.

"You'd only be hurting yourself!"

"The key to this total shared perception is... it's surprisingly physical."

"What? I like past you..."

Probably the funniest most quotable ep of Supernatural I've seen. I was worrying about them bringing the brothers back together so soon, but when it's done with this much style I'm fine with it.

I think the answer is simply that what Dean saw wasn't really the future. I think Zachariah was fucking with him. It all seemed a little too perfectly geared toward Dean accepting Michael.

Great episode. They finally got a great performance from Padalecki that didn't involve nostril flares.

And this is why time travel is a horrible plot device that only opens you up for failure. Either what your watching doens't matter because it will/can be changed or theres a bunch of plot holes and actions that don't quite fit. Truth is I liked this episode MUCH more than I thought I would. It was really good but as soon as you ask yourself that big question.....well it's a pretty big fucking hole. I mean really why wouldn't the angels just look ahead. Speaking of angels, can Lucifer do it too?

Also the whole speech Lucifer does was really good and really showcased some great acting from Jared. However really why wouldn't he kill Dean just to get him out of the way. I mean what if by some slim chance Dean did say yes to Michael? Or what if Dean does get the Colt and figure out how to use it on Lucifer? You would think Lucifer would want to get him out of the way. Now I know Zach was looking out for him but then Lucifer should have just been truthful and said as soon as I make my move Zach will pull you back through time. I mean isn't that supposed to be the Supernatural version of Lucifer, he doesn't lie.

Im hoping this whole thing doesn't end with the Colt. I always liked the idea of the colt but im sorry I can't accept the idea the the colt can kill the devil, especially like kill him forever. I know that colt was supposed to be able to kill ANYTHING but.....the devil? I mean a guy made it, how can it just kill the devil? And yeah I know maybe I shouldn't be applying too much logic to magic but that feels very simple for Satan.

Because it was a play acted out for the benefit of Dean. It wasn't a real future. Zachariah needs Dean to say yes. The angels will do anything they can. I don't think that negates the quality or importance of what Dean experienced (or us as the audience, for that matter). Because it really could end up like that. And the end result is not what the angels wanted anyway.

You're right. Zach and the rest of the angels wouldn't put Dean in harm's way. It was an illusion. A dream.

I agree. I think the Colt is going to be the red herring for this season. They're gonna find it, put a bullet in Lucifer's head, and it won't do jack. I think the final confrontation is going to be Michael versus Lucifer - it just remains to be seen how they will come together. I mean, if Lucifer can take another, lesser vessel (so he claims), then why can't Michael?

Either this, or there are countless possible futures and Zach just showed Dean the one he thought would make his point best.

I don't think it's been mentioned, but the headline on the newspaper Zach was reading said, "President Palin Defends Bombing of Houston: Texas to Blame for Seceding from the Union?" As a native Houstonian, I found that simultaneously funny and scary.

See I would like to buy that the future was all some illusion. Problem is that we saw in the past that we already saw them go into the past. So why wouldn't they be able to go into the future? Now I guess you could argue that the past was an illusion too. However there is a few ways to tell that it is real. Their purpose for sending Dean into the past was to get info on what Azazel was planning. How could he do that if it was all fake? Also Castiel told him specifically he couldn't change anything sticking with the Lost time travel method. I doubt they would have included line if it wasn't real. It was there so the audience wouldn't try to find plotholes. Also if the angels were trying to craft an illusion to make Dean accept Michael then don't you think they would make sure to not mistakenly make him realize what casting Sam away would do? I mean these angels want to make him see that choosing Michael is the ONLY WAY and they have no interest in seeing Sam and Dean get back together. So why arrange the fantasy in such a way to make Dean get back together with Sam? I don't think angels as old as time would mistakenly do that.

I want to believew what you say about the colt but again the show doesn't seem to be going that way. Both present day Castiel and future Dean both say that the colt is still in one piece and the demons are moving it around from place to place. Why would they keep something like that around if it could kill them? You could argue that they are keeping it because they aren't worried a bout it killing Lucifer but they are keeping it so......However it plays out they are keeping it for a reason and it must be a good reason. Maybe theres some rogue demons who want to kill Lucifer so they can have their fun instead. Also Im pretty sure it won't come down to Michael vs. Lucifer because Dean said in the ep that if they fought it would destroy half the earth and well I don't think Supernatural has the budget for destroy half the earth.

That's a really smart observation, Malone. I suspect that Bobby Singer is Michael's #2 candidate.

Yes but even it it were one of many possible futures that still doesn't explain why they couldn't check into those futures for possible info.

And yeah the Palin shit was hilarious. Also thought the torture thing was kind of funny. I understand our policies but I would hope that if hells army ever attacks that we could at least torture demons. I don't think theres too much worry about innocent victims or what the rest of the world thinks of us if they were ya know...demons. I mean they are already sending them back to hell and killing them entirely with the knife. And yeah I get it, Dean tortured people in hell, hes doing what the demons want and all that. However you have to admit that it would be funny to see the ACLU fighting for demons rights. Then there would be some kind of discussion on whether or not they qualify for human rights since they aren't techincally humans but have human hosts.

As "Good God, Y'all" taught us, if you think someone's been possessed it's better to shoot first and ask questions later.

While you make a good point about torturing something that's clearly 'evil' vs. torturing a human being I think (with due respect) that you're missing the larger point - namely, what torture does to the torturer. See: Dean.

Oh no I understand I and I even tried to say it later in my post but im not exactly the best at transfering what I think to what I say which is probably why my posts are so long. I was just saying(without starting some horrible political debate here) that these are demons, they are evil, they do have info, you truly could end armageddon and if there is some kind of moral weight why shouldn't the individual(Dean) be allowed to take it on himself? The same arguement takes place all the time with killing but it seems to be ok with demons simply because they are demons. Yet your still sticking a knife in them in some brutal fashion. Not to mention the person inside there that your killing. And when you exorcise them your sending them to the pit which is supposed to torture itself right? Or I guess you could make the argument that if toture doesn't work 100% on people then it could never work on demons considering they have faced much worse in hell and are kind of the kings of torture. The morality of this show is kind of interesting is all im saying.

All good points, Waaaaaaaalt. As you point out, they have no problem killing people who are possessed (although at the end of Season 1 Bobby does point out that by exorcising Meg they are condemning the girl to death). I'm not sure that Supernatural has a consistent morality beyond what's interesting/convenient to them at a given moment. With the show's blue-collar setting and its stable of amoral/grey-moral characters it's almost more interesting that the show's characters don't typically stop and ask themselves what the 'right' thing to do is.

Well, I would say that it's more about a strict adherence to a policy of "no tolerance". Evil must be destroyed, and some casualties are worth that. While that concept has been applied inconsistently, I think that Dean's overall growth as a character has included a re-examination of that policy. Especially when confronted with the apocalypse. The finer point: is what they do about destroying evil or saving people? What's more important? We've been shown both sides of that coin at various times in the show's run, to good effect.

Also, they know for certain that death isn't the end of existence...

It seems to be the philosophy of the writers that the past is the past, no changes allowed. What has happened, has happened. But the future is up for grabs. When Chuck's premonitions are shattered by Castiel's decision to go rogue, that pretty much conclusively proves that the future is unwritten. If that is true, then I would wager that the angels are either not able or not allowed to visit the future.

It was a miscalculation. The angels are not omniscient or prescient, as has been repeatedly shown in the show. They make decisions that don't always have the desired effect.

Again, the angels are not infallible (that's weird just typing it). They can and do make mistakes in the show.

If Zach gave Dean a vision, an illusion, it would make sense. Dean was just talking about the colt with Castiel right before Zach showed up. It would show present Dean how ineffective the colt is as a weapon, because it does no good. Lucifer kills future Dean anyway. So Dean's last hope, the colt, is useless. He should probably think about letting Michael wear his skin and kill Lucifer now.

It's an ambitious show. They could maybe get away with it. They don't need to show the actual devastation in HD 3D, but bits and pieces go a long way. See Zombieland.

I agree with you one-hundred percent. And to throw in my two cents on the subject: regarding the depiction of angels and demons, the show approximates the Judeo-Christian tradition. One of the mainstays of that tradition is that God gave humanity free will. If the future is set, there is no free will. From an individual perspective (say Dean's, for example), there is the appearance of free will, but that individual is simply moving along a pre-conceived and planned course. Ergo, if the show truly follows the Judeo-Christian tradition, the future cannot be set because the Winchester boys would have no free will. It then follows that Zachariah either showed Dean some fever dream of a future or merely one possibility for the future.

I enjoyed this episode very much, and I think it's safe to say that either I, the show, or Jensen have settled back into Dean because he didn't feel off at all. Maybe it was the double dose.

I would like to rip on Jensen for adding "a single tear" to his acting prowess since season 4. It was a big moment when Dean first cried (during his confession to Sam about the torturing). Now it happens every other episode. Enough!

I'm gonna come right out and predict that I don't think the Colt can kill Lucy. Much like Aleister being able to take the knife, Lucy will shrug off a bullet in an episode to come.

Ol' Scratch himself says "God cast me down into hell." What, like the sub-basement where the demons couldn't find him? Where exactly did that portal beneath that church lead to?

Next week looks like back to stand-alone ghost fun. About time.

It must be a while since you've watched season 2, because Dean was crying all the damn time back then. Granted, that was the season when both his father and his brother died, but still: cry baby.

If Paris Hilton is in it yeah.

Tonight's is Fallen Idol, next week's is I Believe the Children Are Our Future

Sam was totally outacted by Dean in last week's confrontation. I thought the point of the episode was going to be that Dean would steal the colt from Future time and take it with him to the past. Future dean needed to be a little bit more different. Future Castiel was amazing. So was Chuck.

Loved the episode.

What a missed opportunity. Future Dean was screaming for an eye patch, or a goatee, or a big scar or missing hand or something! Everybody knows that when you meet your possible future self from a possible apocalyptic future, your possible future self ALWAYS looks like a damaged pirate.

Oh, and Tati, if he had stolen the colt, which I totally thought was the direction that was going when they did the big reveal, there would be two demon killin'
revolvers in our timeline. Which could be very interesting.

Exactly!!! Thank you. Where was the hideous scar across his face? Was it too much to ask for a bionic limb of some sort?

I'm not the biggest Padalecki fan in the world but I'll be damned if he didn't play the Devil to fucking perfection. Loved his little bit of screentime in that episode and it excerbates my feelings that he would have made a great villain in something.

Kind of a crap episode, but loved the preview at the end, especially Sam channeling David Caruso.

I got a kick out of the "House of Wax" joke....

It was a fun light episode to balance out the heavy stuff, and to reset their relationship. Not one of the best "fun" episodes, but I still really enjoyed it. I thought Paris was fine, though I've never really been a big Paris hater.

Also, I really hope the Trickster (Trixter?) is involved with the sitcom episode. I can't think of any other way for them to pull off a sitcom episode without it being too ridiculous.

It was a great concept for a "fun" episode, but it was kinda mishandled. It was too serious at bits. The tone was all over the place.
Loved loved love Abe Lincoln killing that dude. His face was priceless.

It needed to be a Ben Edlund episode.

Good fun episode, but the "soon" at the end was fucking great. Sitcom? Old Dean? Caruso? This season is going to be the best.

Yeah, Sam and Dean wear their sunglasses at night. And purely for my own entertainment:

These Things I Think (about "Fallen Idol"):

-Did I really see a head bisected by a windshield on television? Of course I did. This is "Supernatural".

-"I want this to be a fresh start for both of us." Keep feeding those slash-fic fires, "Supernatural".

-Here's what popped into my head when Abe Lincoln attacked: "Stand back!!! I have powers. Political powers!"

-Ghandi's monkey-fu is strong.

-I loved Padalecki's little double take when Dean said he had never seen "House of Wax".

-Dean Quotes of the Week? Strangely, none.

-Sam Quote of the Week: "Dude, you just got wailed on by Paris Hilton!"

-Best thing about the episode for me? The way the episode's ending mirrored "Wendigo" ("Well for one, them. I mean, our family's so screwed to hell, maybe we can help some others. Makes things a little bit more bearable. And I tell you what else helps. Killing as many evil sons-of-bitches as I possibly can."), but flipped it on its head. This time, it's Sam explaining to Dean why the continue to fight the things that go bump in the night. And it ends with the two roaring off, but with Sam behind the wheel. I thought that was pretty cool.

I thought it was kinda interesting that Dean name dropped William Morris Endeavor, as opposed to it being just William Morris. I guess he keeps up to date on his entertainment industry news, even if he hasn't seen House of Wax.

Actually enjoyed this one quite a bit. I tend not to like the silly episodes but they did it pretty well here. Im not sure if im going to like the sitcom episode but Supernatural has suprised me twice this year already so im not exactly dreading it.

Decent ep. The humor was a little too broad for my tastes but I liked how the MOTW vibe fit in with what was going on between Sam & Dean. I agree with Tati that the tone was all over the place. Seems like something of a creative challenge to keep the show's humor going during an apocalypse.

This bit of review cracked me up --


Sam goes out to futz around with stuff in the car, so Dean decides to take advantage of his absence to call up Bobby and tattle. Or not. Either way, he’s still talking when Sam enters the room.

Dean’s phone conversation is just bizarre. Here, look!
Dean: “Yeah, Abraham Lincoln and James Dean, can you believe that?”
Dean: “Why so kill crazy? Maybe the apocalypse has them all hot and bothered.”
Dean: “Yeah, well we all know whose fault that is.”
Dean: “Well, I’m sorry but it’s true.”

Fun game: Try to come up with Bobby’s side of this conversation; both what he might say to elicit such responses, and how fast he’d have to talk to be able to get a word in edgewise.