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post #101 of 952
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Originally Posted by halofan1 View Post
We had it....then gave up four unanswered.
That was weird. As was the Habs completely raping the Pens the day before.
post #102 of 952
I just remembered that Mike Milbury is also the worst General Manager in the history of hockey, who single-handedly destroyed the Islanders, setting them back by 20 years. What a piece of shit.
post #103 of 952
Would you say Mike Millbury is the Matt Millen of hockey?
post #104 of 952
He was worse than that.

Here's a wiki quote:

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However, Milbury has also been criticized for the many decisions he made in which payroll or orders for upper management were not factors. Many young players and prospects that Milbury traded away went on to have distinguished careers, often eclipsing those of the players he received in return. He has traded away defensemen Zdeno Chara, Wade Redden, Bryan Berard, Eric Brewer, Darius Kasparaitis, and Bryan McCabe; goalies Roberto Luongo and Tommy Salo, as well as forwards Olli Jokinen, Todd Bertuzzi, Tim Connolly, and Raffi Torres. Milbury has also come under fire for his draft day decisions such as choosing Rick DiPietro first overall in 2000 over Dany Heatley and Marian Gaborik; as well as his decision to include the 2001 second overall draft pick (Jason Spezza) as part of the Alexei Yashin trade.In June 2006, Milbury stepped down as Islanders GM to accept a position as Senior Vice President of Charles Wang's sports holdings. In an appearance on Mike and the Mad Dog, Wang did not challenge a suggestion from the hosts that he "fired" Milbury. Milbury resigned from his Senior VP job in May 2007. He said that he missed making hockey-related decisions and would be open to a hockey operations job in another organization.[6]
post #105 of 952
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
That was weird. As was the Habs completely raping the Pens the day before.
That too I have no answer for. Apparently Pittsburgh teams don't play well in the last period.
post #106 of 952
I love the Habs...always have always will...even when they have seasons like this.
post #107 of 952
I can't believe Ottawa lost to the Leafs 5-0 on Saturday. You're on an 11 game winning streak and you lose to the Toronto Maple Leafs 5-0? The team that the night before blew a 3-1 lead and had three goals scored on them in the last three minutes of the last period? And you lose that way to the worst team in the division. I was so angry.
post #108 of 952
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Originally Posted by DJ Dylan View Post
I love the Habs...always have always will...even when they have seasons like this.
It's a very uneven season, but it's not that bad nor unexpected. With Gainey out, I want more change.

Will Price be out next?
post #109 of 952
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
It's a very uneven season, but it's not that bad nor unexpected. With Gainey out, I want more change.

Will Price be out next?
I really, really hope they don't trade Price because eventually such a trade would bite us in the ass. It's sell high, buy low, not the opposite.
post #110 of 952
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Originally Posted by DJ Dylan View Post
I love the Habs...always have always will...even when they have seasons like this.
You have to man.
post #111 of 952
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Originally Posted by The Alexor View Post
I really, really hope they don't trade Price because eventually such a trade would bite us in the ass. It's sell high, buy low, not the opposite.
Actually, I'm pretty sure they'll trade Price. He still has a higher value than Halak to all the teams out there, as they saw him play way before, he's big and he's a Winner (of championships). Unlie Halak, who's smaller and unknown.

Me? I'd keep Halak, as you'll never get as much for him as for Price, and he's good, and hire an older goalie like Martin Biron to back him up as he grows. You can't keep both, and Price will command a higher salary. It clear space to sign Plekanec. But I'd trade Price in June, for the draft.

Price will most likely bee great, but so can Halak. And with Desjardins in the pipelines, the future is good in the net. I want Subban next year, so you can try to trade a big salary D-man, like Hamrlik or Spacek.
post #112 of 952
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
Actually, I'm pretty sure they'll trade Price. He still has a higher value than Halak to all the teams out there, as they saw him play way before, he's big and he's a Winner (of championships). Unlie Halak, who's smaller and unknown.

Me? I'd keep Halak, as you'll never get as much for him as for Price, and he's good, and hire an older goalie like Martin Biron to back him up as he grows. You can't keep both, and Price will command a higher salary. It clear space to sign Plekanec. But I'd trade Price in June, for the draft.

Price will most likely bee great, but so can Halak. And with Desjardins in the pipelines, the future is good in the net. I want Subban next year, so you can try to trade a big salary D-man, like Hamrlik or Spacek.
Thing is, we wouldn't get full value for Price in june so I would keep him.

Biron's stats are much worse than Price's so I don't understand why people believe he'd be a good fit with the team. I think the two youngsters are a better duo.

Finally, Hamrlik cannot be traded because he's a vital part of the defense corps. The team would've fallen appart during Markov's absence without him. He's only got one year left anyway. He'll probably be resigned for a more affordable amount.

If a team wants Spacek, do it. He doesn't bring much for his cap hit. Maybe Buffalo would take him back.

But hey, we wasted another 2nd round pick to get exactly what the Habs desperatly needed, another 3rd line player! Soon, we'll have the best four third lines in the league!
post #113 of 952
Yeah. Apparently, something brewing with LA.
post #114 of 952
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
Yeah. Apparently, something brewing with LA.
I don't believe in that one. Why and who would the Habs for Frolov?
post #115 of 952
Like I know. Apparently, Weber would be in there. Cammalleri was his linemate in LA...

And as for Price, we would get something for Price, something higher than for Halak. One will have to go, so who, and when?
post #116 of 952
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
And as for Price, we would get something for Price, something higher than for Halak. One will have to go, so who, and when?
Why does one have to go?
post #117 of 952
Salary cap. Both will want raises, and the Habs want to sign Plekanec. Someone has to go.
post #118 of 952
Now that the Canes are kicking everyone's butts, and since there is still no chance of making the playoffs... all the scouts are at our games drooling over our players.

Supposedly Cullen will be leaving today? most likely to the Minnesota Wild. A lot of eyes are on Whitney too.

2 of our best "available" players.
post #119 of 952
As for Frolov, I'm guessing the Kings need to get Whitney in order to trade him.
post #120 of 952
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
As for Frolov, I'm guessing the Kings need to get Whitney in order to trade him.
Probably. But I don't see why the Habs would trade for him. As you said earlier, we have cap problems, so it's not like we'll be able to retain Frolov. Considering his style of play, he's not a clutch player for the playoffs, so why trade for him?
post #121 of 952
I'm unfortunately out of anwsers.

I liked the Price for Gilbert Brulé and Jordan Eberle rumour better...
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post #123 of 952
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
Gilbert Brulé
Ugh, another diminutive under-achieving forward. Montreal Canadians, collect them all!

The Hurricanes seem to be heading in the right direction with their trades.

The Blackhawks are really hurting from the Huet and Hossa contracts. They had to trade Cam Barker whose only 24 for Kim Johnsson who will walk this summer. And they'll probably need to dump more salary this summer. That's a bummer because they'd done a great job of rebuilding.
post #124 of 952
Brodeur got waxed last night and I was there at close to Center Ice to see it all.

Here he is pregame. He might have been distracted.


and this is after the Canes scored 4 unanswered goals on him.



BEST GAME EVER!
post #125 of 952
With a bit of luck this will get him good and pissed off for the Olympics.
post #126 of 952
Brodeur is still the best goalie in the league. And the best of the decade.

And Alexor, I don't know about you, but on those last 2 (shitty) games, PK Subban made quite an impression. He's young, but just oozes talent. This guy will be a star.
post #127 of 952
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
And Alexor, I don't know about you, but on those last 2 (shitty) games, PK Subban made quite an impression. He's young, but just oozes talent. This guy will be a star.
I missed the games so I didn't see him play. I really hope he stays longer in Hamilton so Guy Boucher can make a great player out of him. The Habs have fucked up enough young talent as it is.
post #128 of 952
I hope so for the remainded of the season, but he's here next year.

And concerning the Brulé rumor, the main prize is Jordan Eberle. If you watched the Junior Championship, you know how insanely good he is.
post #129 of 952
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
I hope so for the remainded of the season, but he's here next year.

And concerning the Brulé rumor, the main prize is Jordan Eberle. If you watched the Junior Championship, you know how insanely good he is.
I didn't know Eberle. Hockey's Future gives him a good grade but I still believe in the future Price. This made me laugh in the HF description:

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Size is an obvious concern but with a couple more inches and 20 more pounds, Eberle will be the average sized player.
Hey! I too could be of average size!
post #130 of 952
Eberle was the guy who jumpstarted the Canadian comebacks.

Here's a re-post of what I posted in the Olympic thread:


For our Hockey fans, here's the Canadian lineup for the Men's team. Probably the most solid team I've ever seen. And the defense is much superior to ANY teams out there. The Russians have an amazing 1st line, and a great team, and the US and Czech lineups are great, but the Canadian team might be the most impressive lineup of the last 25 years.

Patrice Bergeron-Sidney Crosby-Rick Nash
Patrick Marleau -Joe Thornton-Dany Heatley
Ryan Getzlaf-Corey Perry-Eric Staal
Brenden Morrow-Jonathan Toews-Jarome Iginla

Scott Niedermayer-Shea Weber
Chris Pronger-Dan Boyle
Duncan Keith-Brent Seabrook

Martin Brodeur
Roberto Luongo
Marc-André Fleury
post #131 of 952
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
Eberle was the guy who jumpstarted the Canadian comebacks.

Here's a re-post of what I posted in the Olympic thread:


For our Hockey fans, here's the Canadian lineup for the Men's team. Probably the most solid team I've ever seen. And the defense is much superior to ANY teams out there. The Russians have an amazing 1st line, and a great team, and the US and Czech lineups are great, but the Canadian team might be the most impressive lineup of the last 25 years.

Patrice Bergeron-Sidney Crosby-Rick Nash
Patrick Marleau -Joe Thornton-Dany Heatley
Ryan Getzlaf-Corey Perry-Eric Staal
Brenden Morrow-Jonathan Toews-Jarome Iginla

Scott Niedermayer-Shea Weber
Chris Pronger-Dan Boyle
Duncan Keith-Brent Seabrook

Martin Brodeur
Roberto Luongo
Marc-André Fleury
With Datsyuk and Kovalchuk the Russian actually have two great lines.

Canada's defense is unbelievably good. Great balance there and no weaknesses.
post #132 of 952
Back to business tomorrow. Now I can cheer on my Washington Capitals and Alexander Ovechkin again. Can't fucking wait until the Caps play the Penguins, Ovie is going to go so hard at Crosby...
post #133 of 952
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Originally Posted by dajuice7 View Post
Back to business tomorrow. Now I can cheer on my Washington Capitals and Alexander Ovechkin again. Can't fucking wait until the Caps play the Penguins, Ovie is going to go so hard at Crosby...
The Sabres play the Pens on Tuesday in Pittsburgh. Be interesting to see what kind of reaction Crosby gets from the crowd.

And, of course, Miller's going to get the hero's welcome before the Sabres-Caps on Wednesday night.
post #134 of 952
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Originally Posted by Jim Barg View Post
The Sabres play the Pens on Tuesday in Pittsburgh. Be interesting to see what kind of reaction Crosby gets from the crowd.

And, of course, Miller's going to get the hero's welcome before the Sabres-Caps on Wednesday night.
Awesome matchup there. Hopefully Miller is back in a good mindset by then. Buffalo and Pittsburgh sit 4th and 5th in the East so this could be a preview of the 1st round. And the winner could play the Caps in the second. Ridiculous.
post #135 of 952
So who are the top goaltenders on the trade block? Huet is not the answer in Chicago.
post #136 of 952
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post
So who are the top goaltenders on the trade block? Huet is not the answer in Chicago.
Niemi is looking good, why not ride him through the playoffs? Huet could be a great veteran backup plan for the playoffs.

I'd offer Jose Theodore (20-7-6, 2.94 GAA, .906 SV%), but our future #1 Semyon Varlamov can't stay healthy right now. Theodore's looking better than he has the past year and a half, and his contract is up at the end of the season, giving you some options there. Boston's young guy Tuukka Rask is looking great. Could someone pry Tim Thomas away from them with a sweet enough deal?
post #137 of 952
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Originally Posted by dajuice7 View Post
I'd offer Jose Theodore (20-7-6, 2.94 GAA, .906 SV%), but our future #1 Semyon Varlamov can't stay healthy right now. Theodore's looking better than he has the past year and a half, and his contract is up at the end of the season, giving you some options there
As a Montreal fan, I would argue against replacing Huet with Théodore.
post #138 of 952
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Originally Posted by The Alexor View Post
As a Montreal fan, I would argue against replacing Huet with Théodore.
I see he had a little issue with consistency in Montreal - good numbers every other year. As Huet was signed by the Blackhawks after a sparkling half-season with the Caps, Chicago (were they to consider Theodore as a replacement) would do well to be cautious about going back to the Caps to solve their goaltending issues. When our offense is on, deficiencies in goal can be overlooked.
post #139 of 952
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Originally Posted by dajuice7 View Post
I see he had a little issue with consistency in Montreal - good numbers every other year. As Huet was signed by the Blackhawks after a sparkling half-season with the Caps, Chicago (were they to consider Theodore as a replacement) would do well to be cautious about going back to the Caps to solve their goaltending issues. When our offense is on, deficiencies in goal can be overlooked.
Too bad the Hawks already traded Cam Barker, we could have traded you Halak.
post #140 of 952
No shit!

But they won't trade Halak until the summer. I'm pretty sure they now want to see how he does in the playoff. THEN trade whoever fits with the plans. Unless you have a sper offer. I'd trade Markov too. By the time we have a Stanley Cup team, he's gonna be too old. Trade him now, or next year, and get a lot for him.
post #141 of 952
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
I'd trade Markov too. By the time we have a Stanley Cup team, he's gonna be too old.
By then he'll be dead.
post #142 of 952
Trade Markov? You crazy? They win or lose depending if he's in the lineup....defensemen tend to last longer in the NHL than forwards. He's still got a long time left.

I say trade Price and Spacek for a solid, bruising defensive defensemen. Trade AK and Baby K and either a draft pick or prospect for a high scoring winger. The K's are basket cases and would probably have to be traded together.
post #143 of 952
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Originally Posted by SneakyPete View Post
Trade Markov? You crazy? They win or lose depending if he's in the lineup....defensemen tend to last longer in the NHL than forwards. He's still got a long time left.

I say trade Price and Spacek for a solid, bruising defensive defensemen. Trade AK and Baby K and either a draft pick or prospect for a high scoring winger. The K's are basket cases and would probably have to be traded together.
Agreed on the trades. As for Markov, it's all about buisness, really. If you trade him for a Victor Hedman, or a Jack Johnson, what then? A solid prospect vs him, it's thinking about the future. Not patching holes like Dominic Moore. He's gonna want 7-8 millions next year. What then? He's worth that. If we can't pay, let's trade at full value.
post #144 of 952
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post
So who are the top goaltenders on the trade block? Huet is not the answer in Chicago.
Rumours have Florida listening to offers on Vokoun. I wouldn't doubt that a guy like Lalime goes somewhere new. Legace will likely call it a career at the end of this season but don't count out someone trading to get him so they have a good goalie coach in the future. Johnson's a UFA at the end of this season so he's likely to find a new home as well.
post #145 of 952
Huet is overpriced and average. So is Theodore. Vokoun might be ok.
post #146 of 952
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
Huet is overpriced and average. So is Theodore. Vokoun might be ok.
Vokoun's been backstopping shitty or underachieving teams and looking good doing it. With a great D in front of him I think he could dazzle the league.
post #147 of 952
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Originally Posted by SneakyPete View Post
Trade Markov? You crazy? They win or lose depending if he's in the lineup....defensemen tend to last longer in the NHL than forwards. He's still got a long time left.

I say trade Price and Spacek for a solid, bruising defensive defensemen. Trade AK and Baby K and either a draft pick or prospect for a high scoring winger. The K's are basket cases and would probably have to be traded together.
I agree with you on Markov. His game doesn't rely on speed, he's the type of defenseman who could be dominant even in his late 30s. Unless we can get Jack Johnson, wich we won't.

I disagree completely about the Kostitsyns. Guy Boucher seems to have helped Sergeï get his act together and Andreï is an essential part of the offense.
post #148 of 952
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
Vokoun's been backstopping shitty or underachieving teams and looking good doing it. With a great D in front of him I think he could dazzle the league.
Ken Dryden talks about that type of goaler in his book The Game. Some goaler excel when they play for shitty teams and there's no real pressure to win. Théodore is one of those, Vokoun may be.
post #149 of 952
Ottawa's back in action tomorrow! Let's get that winning streak going again, boys!
post #150 of 952
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Originally Posted by The Alexor View Post
Ken Dryden talks about that type of goaler in his book The Game. Some goaler excel when they play for shitty teams and there's no real pressure to win. Théodore is one of those, Vokoun may be.
Theodore fits that mold to a T. I'm still not sure about Vokoun.

The poster boy for that kind of goalie is Vanbiesbrouck. I'm still not sure where guys like Richter, Giguere or McLean fit in that. They all had good runs but in the end just weren't all that impressive. I know McLean is technically a good goalie but he had no oomph. He could never turn it up like a Dryden or Smith or Fuhr.
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