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Oooor not.

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More than 60 campers from Northeast Philadelphia were turned away from a private swim club and left to wonder if their race was the reason.

"I heard this lady, she was like, 'Uh, what are all these black kids doing here?' She's like, 'I'm scared they might do something to my child,'" said camper Dymire Baylor.

The Creative Steps Day Camp paid more than $1900 to The Valley Swim Club. The Valley Swim Club is a private club that advertises open membership. But the campers' first visit to the pool suggested otherwise.

"When the minority children got in the pool all of the Caucasian children immediately exited the pool," Horace Gibson, parent of a day camp child, wrote in an email. "The pool attendants came and told the black children that they did not allow minorities in the club and needed the children to leave immediately."

The next day the club told the camp director that the camp's membership was being suspended and their money would be refunded.

"I said, 'The parents don't want the refund. They want a place for their children to swim,'" camp director Aetha Wright said.

Campers remain unsure why they're no longer welcome.

"They just kicked us out. And we were about to go. Had our swim things and everything," said camper Simer Burwell.

The explanation they got was either dishearteningly honest or poorly worded.

"There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club," John Duesler, President of The Valley Swim Club said in a statement.

While the parents await an apology, the camp is scrambling to find a new place for the kids to beat the summer heat.
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So nice to see everyone playing the race card once again. Unfortunately those that claim to condemn it only further it’s existence by bringing it up EVERY CHANCE THEY GET. The private club is just that, and despite the poor choice of wording used by the club representative, the fact is, it remains a private club. I wonder what the camp will do next..........hmmmm........perhaps take the kids to lunch at Le Bec Fin, then when they act up and are thrown out, everyone will be screaming racism once again. Seems both sides are to blame in this one, the camp for thinking they can take 65 rowdy children to a private club, and the club itself for booking the camp in the first place. And why weren’t these kids taken to a PUBLIC pool to begin with? No one has provided an answer to that one yet either. I know for a fact not ALL the pools were shutdown by everyone’s favorite mayor.

good for them. go somewhere else. and it is especially nice of Vince to leave out the safety issues regarding why they were told not to come back. The Valley Club does not have enough lifeguards to watch this many kids, who are NOT good swimmers, so the first concern was their safety...not their color. But God forbid you tell a black person they can’t do something because then you MUST be racist. Maybe you are too ignorant to see past you own color and realize that there just might be a reason other than your color that this was done. And Vince, maybe ask the club if anyone else was turned away. Oh, 3 others camps were turned away....because they were too big for the club to safely watch. Maybe if your mayor hadn’t run the city into the ground and closed YOUR pools you wouldn’t need to come to ours.

should have just closed the pool for the day and let these animals have at it. Wait, they might have to close the pool for two days to clean up after them.

this has nothing to do with racism...has to do with certain people not being repsctful to others...the black as a whole is not bad...but some of these younger kids of no respect for anything...and i think the owner just did not want problems...if the black community wants us to respect them they have to start to respect others...it can not just be a one way deal

People are missing the big picture here! The fact is that inner city people (yea, I mean “you people") do not take care of their surroundings! Ever walk or drive through North Philly?? It’s a rats nest! Trash, broken glass, drug debris, used condoms ect. all over the streets.. Do you want people who have NO self worth in your private swim club? It has nothing to do with color.. It has to do with 65 kids from the same place that I just spoke of! It’s about class and it starts with the adults.. They raise their children to grow up and be statistic.

your an idiot...you never seen a bunch of blacks hanging out together ....they are trouble...if they want us to accept them as equal...that have to stop acting like thugs and start to respect other people...when they do that then maybe people will see them as equal...but idiots like you keep makeing ecuses for them and things will never change

Rick, even with these “all black” schemes, what is the percentage of black men in institutions of higher learning? The fact is that on an individual level, white men may feel discriminated against, but in an overall level, white people still come out tops. All black colleges were created because blacks couldn’t get into the white colleges. Not because black people wanted to keep whites out.
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But...black people can't swim. No, seriously, that's fucked up in a perfect sort of way. When will this shit ever end?
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I understand their concern. Black skin is easily shed in water and naturally attaches to white skin, rendering all of those in the immediate proximity black. It's kind of like homosexuality in that way.
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That theory's bullshit Dave. Those skin cells can't swim either.
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OK...based upon the thread title, I thought that this was going to be about Jake taking a shit. Little did I know that the actual subject would be much worse.
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Wait, conservatives keep telling me that we live in a "post-racial America" now that Obama's been elected. What gives?
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I just love that everyone defending the club automatically assumes the kids were acting up and that was the reason they were kicked out. "They weren't kicked out just because they were black! They were kicked out because they were acting up due to their blackness!"
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Yesterday I was crossing the street at the same time this old lady and her grandson (I'm assuming/hoping) and a black chick in a car slowed down to let them pass, and as the old lady walked past me she said to her grandson (once again, I hope) "Jesus, what is wrong with them? Probably on its way to the zoo."

I swear on anything that I could swear on that that happened yesterday. I almost turned around to say something but I figured what was the point.
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But...black people can't swim.
I was once part of a meeting at an organization where the merits of funding a program to give sailing lessons to inner-city youths was being debated. One of the higher-ups in said organization, a charitable and extremely well-educated lot, remarked during the course of this meeting that "those people don't know how to swim. Wouldn't this be dangerous?" He was dead serious.

I was the administrative assistant and was taking the minutes of this meeting. I made sure that one got in there. I also pulled my boss aside afterward and asked her if she recognized how problematic that statement was. She assured me that it was true. My jaw was still on the floor of that place when I quit three months later.
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Did you work for the National Association Of Comple Honkeys?
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I just love that everyone defending the club automatically assumes the kids were acting up and that was the reason they were kicked out. "They weren't kicked out just because they were black! They were kicked out because they were acting up due to their blackness!"
I like how they accepted the money, knew how many kids would be attending, and then suddenly suffered this incredible shortage of lifeguards when the kids showed up while black.

How many lifeguards does it take to rescue a black kid, again? I guess they wanted two or three per kid in case they inevitably got violent. Fucking dumb cracker idiots.
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Damn, all these Polynesian tribes that depend on fishing must be surviving on pure luck all these centuries. Or is hydrophobia limited to black people of African descent?
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I was once part of a meeting at an organization where the merits of funding a program to give sailing lessons to inner-city youths was being debated. One of the higher-ups in said organization, a charitable and extremely well-educated lot, remarked during the course of this meeting that "those people don't know how to swim. Wouldn't this be dangerous?" He was dead serious.

I was the administrative assistant and was taking the minutes of this meeting. I made sure that one got in there. I also pulled my boss aside afterward and asked her if she recognized how problematic that statement was. She assured me that it was true. My jaw was still on the floor of that place when I quit three months later.
For the record, the guy was probably right. If you're talking inner-city black youth, I'd wager that a very small number would know how to swim. That may be uncomfortable to hear due to racial connotations, but the only connotations are economic. Most of those kids would never have access to anyplace where they could learn to swim.
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Damn, all these Polynesian tribes that depend on fishing must be surviving on pure luck all these centuries. Or is hydrophobia limited to black people of African descent?
I'm pretty sure the club owner was more concerned about the more common disorder "ActinUppittyItis"
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For the record, the guy was probably right. If you're talking inner-city black youth, I'd wager that a very small number would know how to swim. That may be uncomfortable to hear due to racial connotations, but the only connotations are economic. Most of those kids would never have access to anyplace where they could learn to swim.
Because cities don't have public pools?
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Because cities don't have public pools?
I'm assuming you've never been to a city pool.
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For the record, the guy was probably right. If you're talking inner-city black youth, I'd wager that a very small number would know how to swim. That may be uncomfortable to hear due to racial connotations, but the only connotations are economic. Most of those kids would never have access to anyplace where they could learn to swim.
I do see your point re: extracurricular activities and economics. It's very true, which is why this funding was even being discussed in the first place. It was apparent, however, in the course of the conversation, that he was making a connection between blackness and an inability to swim. And, anyway, we live on Lake Michigan. Swimming happens no matter what color you are, esp. since people who live in our inner city come to the beach in hotter weather to cool off and have some fun on the cheap.
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For the record, the guy was probably right. If you're talking inner-city black youth, I'd wager that a very small number would know how to swim. That may be uncomfortable to hear due to racial connotations, but the only connotations are economic. Most of those kids would never have access to anyplace where they could learn to swim.
But look what happened when they finally let one on a golf course. I think we're all discounting what quick learners those people are.

Northeast Philly's pretty goddamn racist. A dangerous attitude to flaunt in this city, but there you go.
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I do see your point re: extracurricular activities and economics. It's very true, which is why this funding was even being discussed in the first place. It was apparent, however, in the course of the conversation, that he was making a connection between blackness and an inability to swim. And, anyway, we live on Lake Michigan. Swimming happens no matter what color you are, esp. since people who live in our inner city come to the beach in hotter weather to cool off and have some fun on the cheap.
I guess. I grew up in NYC, and we had no shortage of beaches and rivers and whatever, and the only people I knew who knew how to swim were lower middle class and above white kids and black and hispanic kids who were immigrants.
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I'm assuming you've never been to a city pool.
I have. There's water. It's cheap. And to your point in the post above, I grew up in a land locked area, and then moved to Maryland, where I've hung around in Baltimore quite a bit, and I've never seen a racial divide in the ability to swim.
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I have. There's water. It's cheap.
You can't swim in a city pool. I'm not talking 80% white Cockeysville MD. I'm talking inner city. The city pools tend to be about four feet deep, for one. For another, they tend to be packed with people. They're for wading and hanging out.
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http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

Someone's link in retaliation to me posting this link elsewhere. Pretty fucked if it's true, but...dozens of teens?
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http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

Someone's link in retaliation to me posting this link elsewhere. Pretty fucked if it's true, but...dozens of teens?
yeah, I bet that attack was utterly unprovoked.
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You can't swim in a city pool. I'm not talking 80% white Cockeysville MD. I'm talking inner city. The city pools tend to be about four feet deep, for one. For another, they tend to be packed with people. They're for wading and hanging out.
Worse yet, a bunch of Philadelphia pools were shut down this year thanks to budget cuts. That's probably why this camp tried to bring the kids to a private club. Guess they'll just have to take them to the art museum fountain instead.
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You can't swim in a city pool. I'm not talking 80% white Cockeysville MD. I'm talking inner city. The city pools tend to be about four feet deep, for one. For another, they tend to be packed with people. They're for wading and hanging out.
There are no public pools in Cockeysville (which is closer to 40% white), but if I go twenty minutes South, I'll be in inner city Baltimore. The pools you're talking about are there, as are the packed conditions, but if you go at other times than Free Swim, you can get very cheap swimming lessons, as is fairly common in all cities.
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You're right, guy. Paying any amount of money for swimming lessons is sure to be a huge priority for really poor people.
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Also the image of you going to inner city Baltimore for a swim is pretty hilarious. I'm sure you're hitting the parks & rec funded city pools in the really bad areas.
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yeah, I bet that attack was utterly unprovoked.
That's what the person who posted this keeps trying to imply. It's just too fucking weird of a story to add up.
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It came after a family night of celebrating America and freedom with a fireworks show
Is American Journalism really like that?

We had a similar issue with inner city children in my city. There were plans to award a local youth group a weeks boat and board vacation up in the lake district but it was discovered that none of this community group (of 13-16 year olds) could swim at all. Turned out that there were no local pools aside from one which banned anyone they deemed a trouble causer (in this South Asian) from the premises.
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You're right, guy. Paying any amount of money for swimming lessons is sure to be a huge priority for really poor people.
They tend to cost 20 to 30 bucks, and end up being subsidized for those who can't afford it.
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I'm assuming you've never been to a city pool.
What a lame generalization. We run classes to teach inner city kids to swim here, they are VERY well attended and there are waiting lists. If it hadn't been Devin making comments disparaging public pools and saying inner city minority kids can't/don't/won't swim, i'd think it was racist. As it is I just think it's Devin bating a thread again.
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You're right, guy. Paying any amount of money for swimming lessons is sure to be a huge priority for really poor people.
Milwaukee County offers free swimming lessons and other local organizations offer reduced prices based on income. And I'm sure economically disadvantaged urban black people spend absolutely no money on entertainment in the summer.

If you want to argue culture, go ahead, but I don't think economics is the biggest factor here. Then again, I probably see more black people than white people on the beach here, because, as was mentioned, it's a cheap form of summer entertainment. Can they all swim? No idea, but it's not for lack of opportunity for lessons or access to pools or the beach.
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This bit from the link Jake posted:
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It came after a family night of celebrating America and freedom with a fireworks show at Firestone Stadium.
is just some piss-poor reporting. How the hell is "celebrating America and freedom" at all relevant to the facts of the story? Jingoistic bullshit designed to automatically move your sympathies to the family.

As for the original story, I wonder if they would have had the same concerns over the number of lifeguards if it had been 60 white kids who showed up. And besides, wouldn't they not have had enough lifeguards when the day camp first approached them about bringing the kids? They suddenly realized this when a busload of black kids headed to the pool?

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"There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion."
Damn right there was.
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It's the Akron Beacon Journal. You guys remember the last season of the Wire? Times it by about 100, that's the local Akron paper. Northeastern Ohio has some incredible divisions between race and class, and there's an overwhelming amount of casual racism that goes on. That story is not surprising at all.
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It's the Akron Beacon Journal. You guys remember the last season of the Wire? Times it by about 100, that's the local Akron paper. Northeastern Ohio has some incredible divisions between race and class, and there's an overwhelming amount of casual racism that goes on. That story is not surprising at all.
Wait, so white people did or didn't get their asses kicked by a massive crowd of black people?
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I'm saying that Devin is probably right in that the attack was provoked, or there's more to the story. The police are "investigating," no one has been arrested or charged. There are also no witnesses mentioned in that article and the Akron fireworks are pretty well-attended. There's like nothing else to do.
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What a lame generalization. We run classes to teach inner city kids to swim here, they are VERY well attended and there are waiting lists. If it hadn't been Devin making comments disparaging public pools and saying inner city minority kids can't/don't/won't swim, i'd think it was racist. As it is I just think it's Devin bating a thread again.
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Milwaukee County offers free swimming lessons and other local organizations offer reduced prices based on income. And I'm sure economically disadvantaged urban black people spend absolutely no money on entertainment in the summer.

If you want to argue culture, go ahead, but I don't think economics is the biggest factor here. Then again, I probably see more black people than white people on the beach here, because, as was mentioned, it's a cheap form of summer entertainment. Can they all swim? No idea, but it's not for lack of opportunity for lessons or access to pools or the beach.

No no guys, black people can't swim, because only white people can afford that knowledge. /sarcasm]
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I also doubt there was a gang 50 black teens wandering around a redneck 4th of July celebration shouting "It's a black world!"
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"There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club," John Duesler, President of The Valley Swim Club said in a statement.
Interesting choice of words.
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For the record, the guy was probably right. If you're talking inner-city black youth, I'd wager that a very small number would know how to swim. That may be uncomfortable to hear due to racial connotations, but the only connotations are economic. Most of those kids would never have access to anyplace where they could learn to swim.
I can totally see Devin's point. I grew up in a townhouse community that had a pool (we paid association fees). There weren't many other public pools in the area (we had a YMCA/YWCA) and if we did, they were in the nicer suburban areas (course, you needed membership tags, so I guess they WEREN'T "public"). Anyway, anecdotally, my town and subsequently my high school had a large black percentage (being midway between NYC and Phillie). Well, most (all except Rob Woody who was 7 feet tall) of the black kids in my gym class had to stay in the shallow end, due to, you guessed it, an inaibilty to swim.

You can call it economic, but it's mostly accesibility (due to economics). If you don't grow up with a pool (community, private, or otherwise), live a good hour or 2 from the shore, and don't have a Y membership, you probably aren't going to learn to swim in your bathtub.

Besides, it's counter-balanced by all the Mexicans/Cubans/Ricans who are GREAT at swimming.
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What a lame generalization. We run classes to teach inner city kids to swim here, they are VERY well attended and there are waiting lists. If it hadn't been Devin making comments disparaging public pools and saying inner city minority kids can't/don't/won't swim, i'd think it was racist. As it is I just think it's Devin bating a thread again.
Baiting. Do they offer any classes on spelling there?
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That theory's bullshit Dave. Those skin cells can't swim either.
Don't be too sure.
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I also doubt there was a gang 50 black teens wandering around a redneck 4th of July celebration shouting "It's a black world!"
This was exactly the type of shit I saw in Cleveland at a fireworks display last week;a group of about 20 black teens antagonizing any group (black or white) smaller than them and calling random families "weak" and "soft niggaz" as they walked through the park.
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This was exactly the type of shit I saw in Cleveland at a fireworks display last week;a group of about 20 black teens antagonizing any group (black or white) smaller than them and calling random families "weak" and "soft niggaz" as they walked through the park.
I don't find that all that hard to believe. Group mentality makes people stupid, and a lot of teenagers (of any color) say unbelievably dumb things when they feel empowered by association. What I don't buy about the Ohio thing is that this group of kids physically attacked some guy without being provoked in some way.

Of course, it's hard to discern what really happened from that story because that fucking terrible reporter tells the whole thing entirely from Marshall's perspective and with unbelievably loaded language.
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I don't find that all that hard to believe. Group mentality makes people stupid, and a lot of teenagers (of any color) say unbelievably dumb things when they feel empowered by association. What I don't buy about the Ohio thing is that this group of kids physically attacked some guy without being provoked in some way.

Of course, it's hard to discern what really happened from that story because that fucking terrible reporter tells the whole thing entirely from Marshall's perspective and with unbelievably loaded language.
I got called out for making "sheltered" statements for saying something like this on another forum, because god forbid that I trust one news story over the other based on how it's written.
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I got called out for making "sheltered" statements for saying something like this on another forum, because god forbid that I trust one news story over the other based on how it's written.
Where's the other news story?
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Where's the other news story?
Oops, I meant the Philly story compared to the Ohio story.
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