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post #51 of 98
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2....php?ref=fpblg

Let me preface this by saying I don't think her statement was meant to be racist. But her flack's clarifying statement was REALLY poorly phrased.
post #52 of 98
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Let me preface this by saying I don't think her statement was meant to be racist. But her flack's clarifying statement was REALLY poorly phrased.
Maybe not!
post #53 of 98
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Let me preface this by saying I don't think her statement was meant to be racist. But her flack's clarifying statement was REALLY poorly phrased.
I don't think there's anything racist about her statement, but I think it pretty clearly is an admission that the base is racist.
post #54 of 98
I dont think it matters at all who said it. Its not something that was a secret, its more of a case of "Ok, we all knew, but this is the sort of stuff you dont talk about in public" gone wrong.

And frankly, it doesnt matter whether its racist or disgusting, because the people who dont like it arent the ones voting republican anyway.
Thats one thing I think a lot of people dont quite understand: All these "infuriating" statements, or "inacceptable" gaffes, or "shocking" claims are working perfectly well.
See, these talking heads, no matter if its Glen Beck, Limbaugh, Steele or Palin, serve one purpose: They keep the party in line, create a lot of noise, and reinforce time and again the mantra which keeps the base of the party trucking.
They can shock, annoy, piss off or actively harass the rest of the country as much as they want, they arent losing anything there really. These people would not have voted for them anyway, and right now is not the time to woo swing voters. Right now is the time to consolidate your base, to drag your people deeper into the entire republican web, so they dont get out in 3 years when its time again.

People love latching onto ideas and thoughts of others, instead of forming their own. By and large, if you present the random guy with a lot of pre-fabricated thoughts, from a person he respects or considers to be "right" in their views, they ll likely swallow them, hook line and sinker. Throwing stuff out there is the job of talking heads, throwing out ideas that people can latch onto and use instead of the tiresome task of actually forming their own opinion. Its never meant for the audience which sees these things as further unneeded proof of the republican party going apeshit, because they lost these anyway.

In 3 years, the 24/7 coverage of the next presidential election is going to drown out most of this anyway. By then, base is hopefully deeply entrenched and they can start wooing swing voters by taking a step to the left.... enough so they get their votes, but not enough to alienate their base, which doesnt really have anything left to go to anyway.
post #55 of 98
Now, why on earth would people go and assume conservatives are racist? Poppycock I say. Oh, wait:









post #56 of 98
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Now, why on earth would people go and assume conservatives are racist? Poppycock I say. Oh, wait:









EXACTLY. all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares, if you get my meaning. You can be certain there are no racist democrats these days... at least none that hold "save white america" signs in public.
post #57 of 98
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This one seems to hate Italians too.
post #58 of 98
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This one seems to hate Italians too.
Well...yeah. Doesn't everyone?
post #59 of 98
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Well...yeah. Doesn't everyone?
True dat!
post #60 of 98
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Beliefs 100 years out of date. Sense of humor 20 years out of date.

Progress?
post #61 of 98
I read a editorial that questioned why Obama is being met with such hatred and acrimony when his political views aren't nearly extreme enough to merit the reaction he's getting. And the author pretty much came out and said, "It must be because he's black." So of course the comments were along the lines of, "YOU'RE the one who brought up race, not us!" Cheers, you're smart enough not to come right out and say you don't like him because he's black. Doesn't mean the hatred isn't racially motivated in some instances.
post #62 of 98
Of course it's because he's black. His school speech was the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" message that's the cornerstone of conservative beliefs. And still parents weren't allowing their kids to hear it. What other possible explanation could there be?
post #63 of 98
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Of course it's because he's black. His school speech was the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" message that's the cornerstone of conservative beliefs. And still parents weren't allowing their kids to hear it. What other possible explanation could there be?
There is no other explanation
During his joint speech to congress in Feb, he addressed the very same topic to cheers from concervatives. "its not giving up on you, its giving up on america" .

Now that the inauguration is a memory and racism against him is in the streets every day, they don't think twice about encouraging their constituents to pull their kids out of school..... less their hear his vial message about how you should "study" and "not drop out"
post #64 of 98
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Of course it's because he's black.
I really don't think it is. Clinton isn't black, he just played jazz. Republicans were still making stupid accusations. They've just ratcheted it up because doing the same thing they did 15 years ago would bore people.

Some people who no doubt vote Republican are certainly racist, it's hard to argue otherwise when dumbfucks are selling Curious George T-shirts with "Obama '08" on them. But what's motivating the Republican Party is the fact that they lost.

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His school speech was the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" message that's the cornerstone of conservative beliefs. And still parents weren't allowing their kids to hear it. What other possible explanation could there be?
Obama's not a Republican.
post #65 of 98
This is from an exchange posted by the huffpo. It is from an interview with the founder of the "tea party" movement. (On that subject, why do the Tea Party people dress like minute men? Shouldn't they dress like american indians? oh, wait, that would require them to know american history)


So what does the founder of the Tea Parties (and obvious non racist!) have to say about our President?


"Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug and a racist in chief."

No racism here, pay no attention to the man under the white sheet...
post #66 of 98
Alan Grayson's twitter is awesome. Recommend.
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Alan_Grayson Today's GOP? Sexist: http://tinyurl.com/yfoln4o Homophobic: http://tinyurl.com/yauzk8p Racist: http://tinyurl.com/yeebfst wow.
post #67 of 98
A bit more insight on a photo featured in one of Nick's recent "Dumb A Day" entries:

http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/r...kind_of_sweet/
post #68 of 98
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A bit more insight on a photo featured in one of Nick's recent "Dumb A Day" entries:

http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/r...kind_of_sweet/
post #69 of 98
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A bit more insight on a photo featured in one of Nick's recent "Dumb A Day" entries:

http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/r...kind_of_sweet/
Good to see that its still 1955 outside of the Atlanta metro area.
post #70 of 98
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Alan Grayson's twitter is awesome. Recommend.
Unfortunately that one isn't the real Grayson, this is. Still pretty good though.
post #71 of 98
GOP legislator blasts Obama while wearing hat that says “OPOSSUM the other Dark Meat”

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/oc...proved-us-sen/
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post #73 of 98
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They won't be happy until this country is in flames. Where's the Black Panther Party when you need it. And to think Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson draw ten times more ire than these nutjobs.

Oh Yeah, and...

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post #75 of 98
Sometimes I wonder if McCoy is a joke, like the fake editorial cartoons they run at the Onion. Like can he POSSIBLY be for real? In 2009? Really?
post #76 of 98
...Wow.

On the other hand, I'd pay to see Sharpton and Jackson beat the shit out of Limbaugh with billy clubs, so there's that.
post #77 of 98
He's a stunningly bad editorial cartoonist as well. That comic barely makes sense. Not to mention the fact that nobody gives two shits about Rush's bid.
I guess he just looks for any excuse to cry reverse racism these days.
post #78 of 98
Man, I had no idea that Jesse Jackson and Al sharpton had such control over NFL affiliates. Learn someting new every day, I suppose.
post #79 of 98
Apparently Sharpton wrote the organization to complain about Rush's bid. Jesse Jackson wasn't involved but he's black just like Sharpton. So there's that.
post #80 of 98
Black Hivemind!
post #81 of 98
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Apparently Sharpton wrote the organization to complain about Rush's bid.
And of course we all know how big business kowtows to every one of Sharpton's demands.

<shakes fist in the air> "Damn you Al Sharpton and your complete control over the free market!"
post #82 of 98
for good measure

post #83 of 98
Hey white guys! If you need us to invade and liberate you from the black man's oppression just say so. It breaks our heart seeing our white brothers suffer.
post #84 of 98
I like how the private purchase of a private organization by an individual demands all this public attention, considering that's something that people like Limbaugh endlessly piss and moan about when the tables are turned.
post #85 of 98
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Jesse Jackson wasn't involved but he's black just like Sharpton. So there's that.
This is what trips me out about the whole thing. Sharpton got involved and so Rush and his conservative lackeys can't resist bringing Jesse Jackson into it, though he hasn't even touched the issue. Something tells me that long after Sharpton and Jackson are dead the Right will still be blaming their ills on them.
post #86 of 98
I'm still anxiously awaiting the day that Limbaugh does some booksigning near me. I'll have an obnoxiously large breakfast in me and a coffee mug of ipecac at the ready.
post #87 of 98
Conservatives as a whole might not be motivated by racism, but they certainly are living in an alternate reality. At least, according to this poll, which has its partisan motivations. But the results aren't exactly all that surprising.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/democracy-corps-republican-base-voters-living-in-another-world.php?ref=fpa


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A new focus-group of Republican base voters by the Democracy Corps (D), the consulting and polling outfit headed up by James Carville and Stan Greenberg, presents a picture of the GOP base as being motivated by a fundamentally different worldview than folks in the middle or on the Dem side -- and they see the country as being under a dire threat.

"They believe Obama is ruthlessly advancing a 'secret agenda' to bankrupt the United States and dramatically expand government control to an extent nothing short of socialism," the analysis said." While these voters are disdainful of a Republican Party they view to have failed in its mission, they overwhelmingly view a successful Obama presidency as the destruction of this country's founding principles and are committed to seeing the president fail."

The analysis argues that Obama's unpopularity among conservative Republicans is both quantitatively and qualitatively different from liberal Democratic ire against George W. Bush -- that the GOP is more heavily conservative than the Democrats are heavily liberal, and that the hatred of Obama is more intense than Dem hatred of Bush was. All of this adds up to a powerful set of emotions that the Republican Party as a whole cannot ignore.

One thing that the firm makes clear, though, is that this is not about racism, but about ideology: "Instead of focusing on these intense ideological divisions, the press and elites continue to look for a racial element that drives these voters' beliefs - but they need to get over it. Conducted on the heels of Joe Wilson's incendiary comments at the president's joint session address, we gave these groups of older, white Republican base voters in Georgia full opportunity to bring race into their discussion - but it did not ever become a central element, and indeed, was almost beside the point."

The voters in these focus groups saw Obama as being deliberately out to destroy the American economy in order to undermine personal freedoms, and that the speed of his agenda was a part of this strategy:

"I think that he is deliberately misleading people... if he is not deliberately trying to do harm to the country, which is my view, he doesn't understand anything about how the economy works."

"There's a school of thought that if you overload the system with programs and bailouts and all that, that it will create an opportunity, some people believe it started in the 60's with welfare and Medicare and Medicaid; if you load the system down enough till it to- tally collapses it, I mean, I know it sounds kind of like a conspiracy theory, but it opens the door for this whole new way of governing. I'm not saying he's a sleeper or anything like that, but it is something to think about... I think your statement's correct. I think it's intentional."

I'm sure there are a lot of well-intended people in Washington, but I don't really believe that they care about our health. I think that this is a control issue... It is absolutely.

By contrast, Democracy Corps also interviewed a separate group of somewhat conservative-leaning swing voters, and these attitudes were not to be found: "One of the most telling differences between the partisan Republican groups and the independent groups was the language they used. Conservative Republicans fully embrace the 'socialism' attacks on Obama and believe it is the best, most accurate framework for describing him and his agenda. Independents largely dismiss these attacks as the kind of overblown partisan rhetoric that obscures the facts and only serves to cheapen the political discourse."

Conservatives see themselves as an oppressed minority, holding on to knowledge that isn't represented in the wider media and culture: "Conservative Republicans passionately believe that they represent a group of people who have been targeted by a popular culture and set of liberal elites - embodied in the liberal mainstream media - that mock their values and are actively working to advance the downfall of the things that matter most to them in their lives - their faith, their families, their country, and their freedom."
post #88 of 98
So, essentially: the same rabidly-frothing, idiocy-riddled 20-something percent of the country that supported Bush's agenda to the end (an agenda that, ironically, was demonstrably focused on draining money from the system, 'redistributing' that wealth among the already hyper-wealthy, and put the strongest possible emphasis on governmental secrecy and the unchecked monitoring of the American public) wants to destroy Obama's imaginary, 'socialist' take-over plan.

That's hilarious. These people couldn't find common sense with a flashlight, a road map, and Thomas Paine riding in the sidecar.
post #89 of 98
I find that when a person or persons make claims about this nation's "founding principles" as a casus belli 99.9% of the time they have zero fucking clue what those founding principles are.
post #90 of 98
The one thing about that focus group is that it doesn't really track people who are racist but don't even realize it. Like they too dumb an' shit. It would be very easy for some of the hardcore Beck fans to sublimate racist tendencies into something else. How do we know that exists? Some of the people carrying racist protest signs don't think they're being racist, but clearly they are.
post #91 of 98
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_324511.html

Guy get's arrested for threatening Obama, Obama's family, Biden, and 70 other people.

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Gimbel is scheduled to be arraigned Monday. Randall Davis, a defense lawyer assigned to serve as Gimbel's co-counsel because Gimbel wants to represent himself, said he expects him to plead not guilty.

"He contends he didn't violate the law" and only was exercising his free speech rights," Davis said.
The guy admits he sent the emails, therefore he is guilty. There are no free speech rights for threatening people, and threatening The President is a federal crime. Good luck with your "free speech" defense, Mr Racist!
post #92 of 98
Holy shit, really?

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A car dealer in Colorado decided to let his inner bigot birther hang out for all to see on the sign at right. It shows a taste-free caricature of the President (two, actually), one with a turban on, and ”President...or...Jihad?” with the bottom text reading ”PROVE IT” and ”Wake up America! Remember Ft. Hood!”
post #93 of 98
Wow. A black President and the fear of Islamic Militant Terrorists is proving to be the fucking Perfect Storm for racists. I'm almost curious to see what would happen if Obama were to convert to Islam during his term. Then I remember that I'm really not that ready for the Apocalypse to reign down upon us.
post #94 of 98
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Yeah, we have some real idiots out here.
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post #96 of 98
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha the hell?
post #97 of 98
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This one seems to hate Italians too.
HA!
post #98 of 98
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I find that when a person or persons make claims about this nation's "founding principles" as a casus belli 99.9% of the time they have zero fucking clue what those founding principles are.
I dunno, from the "Let's try to consolidate all the political power in the hands of white landowning males" perspective they seem to be pretty spot-on.

Or maybe they're shooting for another Three-Fifths Compromise so that at least a white guy can have slightly less than half of the Presidency?
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