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post #51 of 120
I've gotta say that the video for "The Fixer" sucks. It doesn't fit my image of the band at all, either. Good song, though.
post #52 of 120
Goddamnit the wait for this is murdering me. I could easily grab the leak, but I want the real deal in my hands. Packaging has always been a big deal to the band, and to me. But for now, The Fixer and Supersonic are holding me over. I've heard 15 sec clips of almost all the songs, and I cannot WAIT for full versions of Gonna See My Friend and Johnny Guitar.

I just love how fun, optimistic and full of simple yet extremely passionate life the whole thing sounds. Rock and roll.
post #53 of 120
Whoa.
Force of Nature is fucking awesome. The opening track does nothing for me, but then Got Some just kills, and then the albums burns bright for the next 30+ minutes. Just Breathe sounds too much like a ITW B-side, sure, and Johnny Guitar is silly, but all in all I'm happily surprised with how much I like the album. Certainly their best studio work since Binaural.
post #54 of 120
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I was wondering when you'd pop up, Leper.

Glad you like the album as a whole, though the tracks that you don't seem to love are the ones that have got a hold on me.

'Just Breathe' an Into the Wild B-Side? No way, dude. That one's undoubtedly a masterpiece in my book. The lyrics choke me up.
post #55 of 120
I misspoke. I didn't mean b-side. I should have said "Just Breathe sounds like something that would fit right in on ITW". I didn't mean that it sounded like something that was scrapped from the album.

My joy for the new album + Social D opening + the availability of floor seats at face value = me getting tickets for 10/27. Now I gotta make the 2 hour trek to Philly and back 3 times that week. Small price to pay, I guess.
post #56 of 120
Just Breathe is amazing. It'd fit perfectly in ITW, yeah. And speaking of it i'm completely in love with the way Jeff Amment enters the song at about the minute mark. That slow bass build up is fantastic.
post #57 of 120
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If I ever get married, 'Just Breathe' has a great chance of being my wedding song.
post #58 of 120
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Got my CD from the Ten Club today in the mail. The artwork is pretty snazzy. I love the print and design of the whole project. Vitalogy and No Code are still my faves, though, when it comes to the artwork. Those are in a class of their own.

Two major outlets gave the album 4.5 stars:

allmusic

Blender

They're getting the best reviews of their career. How many bands going on their 19th year of existence can say that?

The boys will also be the cover story for the October issue of SPIN.
post #59 of 120
The greatness of this album actually took me by surprise. I think The Fixer is the best single the band has ever released, but after the s/t - which I liked a lot when it was first released but rarely spin anymore - I was just expecting a decent rock album, not one that may very well be, when all is said and done, the best collection of tunes the band has put out.

I'm very, very surprised at just how much damn fun this album is. I've always loved me some PJ and like each of their albums in their own way, but I don't know if I've ever smiled all the way through a first listening before. Amongst the Waves and Unthought Known just soar. Got Some is creeping it's way up my favorite PJ song list. The End is a perfect closer as can be, and, as already said, Just Breathe, is a beautiful little love tune.

I'm kind of hoping they perform the whole thing front to back at some point.
post #60 of 120
A great half hour of tunes for sure. Very crisp production.
post #61 of 120
I didn't expect Johnny Guitar to kick my ass that much.
post #62 of 120
Not to gift a look mouth in the horse, but the free concert downloads are underwhelming. Would have liked at least something from the 90's or something from the last decade that hadn't been released yet. Also, my local Targets did a miserable job. I had heard that the vinyl would be available, but the first one I visited today didn't even have the Rock Band edition (I later heard from a friend that they did, it was just in with the DVDs on account of the case being DVD size instead of being by the CDs), let alone any vinyl. Guy I know in Michigan got into an argument with a manager who insisted that all new CDs come out on Tuesday, regardless what anyone says - even their own weekly sales flyer.
post #63 of 120
The vinyl editions didn't make it to my store. Supposedly they were delayed to Wednesday. The Rockband edition doesn't make much sense to me as it's priced pretty much exactly the same as the regular edition and the cost of buying the game tracks.
post #64 of 120
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Originally Posted by johnnycinco View Post
The Rockband edition doesn't make much sense to me as it's priced pretty much exactly the same as the regular edition and the cost of buying the game tracks.
Seriously? Hell, I'll just download the fuckers directly from marketplace then...and save gas not going downtown. Thanks for the info.
post #65 of 120
I don't want to by hyperbolic and call this album a masterpiece or anything, but I've listened to it many times now and I find it to be a quietly perfect record. Every song has it's place; nothing overstays its welcome.
post #66 of 120
This album is kind of owning my life at the moment. I've listened to it several times through and can't get tired of it. Like Sam says, it's pretty close to perfect.
post #67 of 120
Always fun to read :

4.6 from those incorrigible scamps at Pitchfork.

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Originally Posted by Pitchfork

If you're between the ages of, say, 25 and 35, chances are you either significantly overrate or underrate Pearl Jam. Either you carry a certain nostalgist's sentiment for one of your early rock touchstones (I fall into this camp), or you view them as the root of all that was overwrought and evil about mid-to-late-90s guitar music. Sure, everyone knows PJ sold eleven trillion albums between 1991 and '94, but still I imagine it's difficult for relative young'uns to reconcile how strong an opinion so many people in a specific demographic have about a group that hasn't been commercially or critically relevant for over a decade.

Backspacer, the group's 10th studio album, seems to suggest in its tossed-off 37 minutes that Pearl Jam have no greater concern and regard for what they do than the rest of the world can muster. Virtually the whole record settles into the same formula the band's been dutifully churning out since the dawn of the millennium-- lively but almost utterly hookless riff-driven hard rock. Lather, rinse, repeat. And when I say "riff-driven" I really mean "almost entirely riff-dependent," because musically the riffs themselves are typically the only things worth your attention.

PJ's long-dormant punk and hardcore proclivities (ugh, "Lukin") have been rising to the surface with greater regularity in recent years, and I'll admit in short bursts this bulldozing approach can be somewhat satisfying. The opening four songs kick-start and then keep up a certain pleasing level of propulsiveness, with the goofily fast-and-loose "Gonna See My Friend" (hey, is that an actual bassline I hear?) and Thin Lizzy-ish double entendres of "Johnny Guitar" being particularly listenable. Sooner or later, however, you remember these guys wouldn't know a melody if it bit them in the ass. What's worse, this chugging blitzkrieg negates the power of the band's greatest weapon, Eddie Vedder's voice, which can display its craggy richness and masculine grace only when the band isn't trying to break land-speed records. (I know some folks hate Ed's singing, but it mostly seems like they're reacting to the fact that his voice launched a thousand Nickelbacks, which is like hating "The Simpsons" because of "Family Guy" or "American Dad".)

The gentle "Just Breathe" might seem like the perfect opportunity for Vedder to finally dust off those resonant pipes, but instead he sings the tune with a distractingly country-ish catch in his voice, plus the tune is numbingly syrupy and the lyrics, after a promisingly pointed start ("I'm a lucky man to count on both hands the ones I love") devolve into tedium. The same hit-or-miss sensitivity marks "The End"-- Vedder inexplicably finds it necessary to remind us he's "just a human being" on one song and "just another human being" on the other-- but at least "The End" manages to land on the right side of affecting thanks to its painfully honest depiction of romantic dissolution ("This is not me/ You see/ Believe/ I'm better than this/ Don't leave"). Still, we have to rely on "Amongst the Waves" to deliver anything remotely resembling the soaring anthemics that used to be a PJ trademark (what I wouldn't give for a "Light Years" even). The back half of the album sure isn't inclined to help, largely abandoning even the modest steamrolling enjoyment of the record's initial jolt in favor of thoroughly forgettable mid-tempo dreck, save for "Speed of Sound", which nonetheless sounds like a band trying to be the Ramones minus the fun.

It's an extremely odd thing to say about a band that for three or four years was the biggest rock megalith on the planet, but nowadays Pearl Jam are the very definition of anonymously workmanlike, seemingly plugging along with their heads down from one colorlessly unimaginative album to the next. Once upon a time this was a group that was on top of the world and yet still took all kinds of bizarre chances, recording shit like lengthy tape experiments and songs about bugs-- often ridiculously self-indulgent, sure, yet always surprising. Now, paradoxically, with the spotlights long since extinguished, Pearl Jam seem content to do things by the book.

— Joshua Love, September 22, 2009
post #68 of 120
I love PJ, but there's certainly some truth to the review. It's slight, not much new going on, nothing groundbreaking. Still a fun listen.
post #69 of 120
Fuck them for bashing Lukin.
post #70 of 120
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Originally Posted by Kirby Drummond View Post
I love PJ, but there's certainly some truth to the review. It's slight, not much new going on, nothing groundbreaking. Still a fun listen.
I still can't get into it, honestly. I feel like I'm kind of at arm's length throughout the whole album waiting for something to punch me in the balls like they did back in the day, and I'm a pretty huge PJ fan.
post #71 of 120
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It's true that PJ isn't doing anything groundbreaking on Backspacer. Just like their last 8 studio albums.

I wouldn't have a problem with the review if it didn't insinuate that their early discs were doing something special that this one isn't.

And while the new disc won't influence an entire generation of indie bands (note sarcasm dripping from my tongue), you can't deny the sound of the album is still a fresh calling card for them. There's no album in the PJ catalogue that quite sounds like Backspacer. Each of their albums has its own identity, and that's what I love about this band.

The bottom line is what PJ accomplished on Backspacer is no easy feat (tight, concise songs; stirring melodies; a focus and hunger that many of the younger bands would die for). If that were the case, practically every modern mainstream band wouldn't suck so much ass.

I expected a 2.3 from Pitchfork. I was pleasantly surprised with the review, actually!
post #72 of 120
I know, it's Pitchfork, but STILL. There are so many double-standards and falsehoods in that review that negate the entire thing.

Knocking PJ for not being commercially relevant in over a decade also negates 95% of the bands they champion. Hookless? Are you kidding me? Riff-dependent? No melody? This album has more melody than Binaural thru Self Titled combined. And he completely misses the meaning of "The End."

I'm glad this record sounds nothing like the Ten - Vitalogy days, myself. Backspacer's not a challenging listen, but it's contemplative, honest, and a hell of a good time.
post #73 of 120
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Originally Posted by Diaglo
I'm glad this record sounds nothing like the Ten - Vitalogy days, myself. Backspacer's not a challenging listen, but it's contemplative, honest, and a hell of a good time.
Yes. Indeed.

The irony is, if PJ were still trying to pull off that angsty, gloomy sound of their early years, they would be crucified for doing so (including by me). Listening to Backspacer, it's a direction I wouldn't have seen them going in, but now that they have, I can't imagine a better fit for the band in 2009. It really is a natural, honest progression.

Bottom line is Pitchfork has never liked PJ. Which is fine, but I wish they'd stop hiding behind the excuse that the band has fallen from grace, because that couldn't be further from the truth.
post #74 of 120
Okay, it's finally starting to grow on me. I've had a few of the songs in my head for a few days now (specifically "Johnny Guitar") and they're not going anywhere, though I'm still not crazy about "Just Breathe".
post #75 of 120
I've more or less been out of the PJ loop since Vitalogy (I know, I know), but this album is just what I needed. And fuck me if Force of Nature hasn't become my favorite song of the year so far.
post #76 of 120
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Okay, it's finally starting to grow on me. I've had a few of the songs in my head for a few days now (specifically "Johnny Guitar") and they're not going anywhere, though I'm still not crazy about "Just Breathe".
Glad to hear, Jake. 'Just Breathe' WILL grow on you...trust me (other than 'The Fixer', this is the tune that seems to be catching on to casual listeners right away...it's currently #77 on the overall iTunes songs chart).
post #77 of 120
I'm all set to buy this, but I gotta know: Is it better than their last album? I loved their last album for the whole summer it was released, but since that first year I've not played it once. I know it's hard to tell now, but what's the staying power with this one?
post #78 of 120
Yes, much much better.

Jake, glad you are coming along. Give it a few more spins, you'll get more and more hooked!

BTW: http://www.billboard.com/#/news/pear...04015707.story
post #79 of 120
When's the last time Pitchfork didn't slag a band less than 3 years old?
post #80 of 120
Goddamned double posting.
post #81 of 120
Pearl Jam has been one of my favorite bands since Ten, so I'm rooting for them with every new album or song they put out. And although I've only listened to it from start to finish a few times so far, Backspacer is definitely not doing for me what Pearl Jam did. I loved the last album on the first few spins. The new one hasn't done that for me yet. It's good, but I hope it's a grower because I want to love it.
post #82 of 120
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It's good, but I hope it's a grower because I want to love it.
It is. I felt the exact same way when I put this in the first time around. After a couple more listens (I usually just load stuff onto my mp3 player and give it a few run-throughs while on my daily beat via bus/shoes/whatev, sort of "passive listening", I guess you could say) it started to click and the songs started to stick. It still doesn't blow my skirt up like their other stuff, but it's definitely catching.
post #83 of 120
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I've heard from a few others that think the album is front-loaded (the first half is certainly more direct and in-your-face, with less subtlety). I wasn't sure about this at first, but the second half quietly creeps up on you and delivers. 'Supersonic' is fun. The breakdown toward the end is just awesome. It does sound sorta slight, and I can see myself skipping it on the album in the future, but also going back to it because I miss it, too. 'Speed of Sound' seems to be the least fave tune for many, but its beauty really seeps through as you listen to it more and more. And the chorus will bite you in the ass from out of nowhere. 'Force of Nature' has grown on me 10-fold. Clicked for me over the last day or so. And 'The End' could be my fave PJ closer ever.
post #84 of 120
At first, my least favorite tunes were Johnny Guitar and Force of Nature, but they have grown. Specially Johnny Guitar. The rest i love unconditionally.
post #85 of 120
Goddamn this is a great album.
post #86 of 120
While this is a good album, I'm surprised it hasn't resonated with me more so far because they've cut out a lot of fat compared with past albums. Maybe it feels too safe to me at times. I have to say, though, that "Just Breathe" is amazing and moves me every time I listen to it. I'd never have guessed it the first time I heard it, but "Unthought Known" is shaping up to be my favorite song on Backspacer. I've been playing the album pretty much every day, but it hasn't given me that shot of adrenaline that their last album did when it was still new to me. The new one is still growing on me, though.

Something I've noticed with Pearl Jam is I rarely listen to their previous releases for a while when they've got a new album out. I don't do this with other bands as much. When The White Stripes' Icky Thump came out, I think I was listening to De Stijl as much as that album at the time. I guess, for better or worse, Pearl Jam just keeps evolving and I'm more interested in what they're doing now than then for the most part. I do think Eddie's vocals keep getting better and better.
post #87 of 120
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I'd never have guessed it the first time I heard it, but "Unthought Known" is shaping up to be my favorite song on Backspacer.
I'll go even farther. "Unthought Known" has become, in the two weeks since buying this wonderful album, one of my favorite Pearl Jam songs period. No easy feat. But, holy crap, is that song beautiful.
post #88 of 120
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I'll go even farther. "Unthought Known" has become, in the two weeks since buying this wonderful album, one of my favorite Pearl Jam songs period. No easy feat. But, holy crap, is that song beautiful.
The whole song rules, but this section below owns me:

See the path cut by the moon
For you to walk on
See the waves on distant shores
Awaiting your arrival

Dream the dreams of other men
You'll be no one's rival
Dream the dreams of others then
You will be no one's rival

You will be no one's rival...
post #89 of 120
Unthought Known reminds me of Given to Fly, the way each verse builds from the last, both in instrumentation and in the power of Eddie's voice. Except I think the lyrics and melody are both stronger in the newer song. (Plus, it's not nicked from Led Zeppelin!)
post #90 of 120
Now I wonder if I'm full of shit because now "Force of Nature" is the one doing it for me. So at least parts of the album are growing on me.
post #91 of 120
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When Eddie says "With gems and rhinestones!!!" in 'Unthought Known' it gives me goosebumps. That tune could be the crown jewel of the album.

And Ryan, 'Force of Nature' has gotten a hold of me since the album's release.
post #92 of 120
I'm sure I'll be seeing Pearl Jam the next time they come to Pittsburgh and "Unthought Known" damn well better be part of the setlist!
post #93 of 120
Caught the first of the four Spectrum shows last night. I was surprised at the lack of Backspacer tunes until Eddie Vedder made the "Oh, guess what? We're gonna use these 4 shows to try to play every song we have ever recorded, plus some we haven't recorded (presumably with no repeats)" proclamation. Since tonight is the one show I am missing, I assume the set list will be ridiculous.


ETA: Forgot to mention the obvious - the show kicked ass.
post #94 of 120
Shit, i will need those bootlegs. Badly.
post #95 of 120
Supposedly, and this was confirmed by an usher I asked, employees at the arena have been told to expect to work until the wee hours of the morning Saturday night. Eddie mentioned 2:00am on stage last night at one point. Also, Springsteen plays The Garden in NY the night before - I think him making an appearance is a pretty safe bet.
post #96 of 120
Yeah, there are reports up in Spin magazine of a nearly 6 hour show on Saturday. Which would be unreal.
post #97 of 120
Jesus. That would be amazing.
post #98 of 120

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By my count they played 31 songs last night with only two being duplicated from Tuesday (both of them Backspacer tunes). I have seen an unofficial count of 81 remaining album tracks not yet played (omitting Pry, Tos and Aye Davinitas and the like). Playing a similar length (and throwing in some covers) on Friday would lead to a little over 50 songs left for Saturday.

I don't remember how close they came last time they tried this (Boston '03).
post #99 of 120
Please tell me they announced some kind of live cd or Dvd out of these concerts.
post #100 of 120
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Please tell me they announced some kind of live cd or Dvd out of these concerts.
An unedited concert DVD would be my ultimate PJ wet-dream.
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