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post #1 of 20
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CIA Had Plan to Assassinate Al Qaida Leaders.

A bunch of powerful men conspired to keep something secret and actually succeeded? Impossible!

Since the dimensions of the "program" are still undisclosed, evidently there are some equally disturbing aspects of the story beyond the illegal act described in the headline that have yet to emerge.
post #2 of 20
Like Threadstone? Any unidentified men suffering from amnesia being picked up by a fishing boat recently?
post #3 of 20
The mistake? They needed an actor.
post #4 of 20
From the article:

"The plans remained vague and were never carried out, the officials said, and Leon E. Panetta, the C.I.A. director, canceled the program last month."

Not too surprising given Cheney's public statements after 911 that the US would do anything, including secret ops, to put down Al Queda.
post #5 of 20
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
From the article:

"The plans remained vague and were never carried out, the officials said, and Leon E. Panetta, the C.I.A. director, canceled the program last month."

Not too surprising given Cheney's public statements after 911 that the US would do anything, including secret ops, to put down Al Queda.
1, apparently there are questions that "the plans ... were never carried out," and 2, assassination of enemy leaders isn't the issue. Drones are doing just that right out in the open. Even though there is a presidential order making assassination illegal, it's conceivable the Congressional committees could have gotten around that.

The issue is the CIA taking an order from the Vice President, who has no real authority over it, to keep this program secret from Congress, which represents the people.

I know all the Liz Cheneys of the world are out there saying, "Democrats don't want us to go after Al Qaida!" But what they're trying to distract you from with partisan hackery is the cover-up itself.
post #6 of 20
I don't know if people would have been freaking out so much if it was just a program for selective assasinations of enemy leaders. A program such as this seems par for the course for the CIA. This means that either we're talking about a whole different deal or this freaked these people due to its sheer scale. For an assassination program to cause this much hoopla it must have been doing Phoenix scale numbers.
post #7 of 20
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Agree. People are also speculating that carrying out assassinations in countries would be done without informing those countries' leaders. Aside from all that, anything carried out by Bush/Cheney is a total clusterf***k on the civilian command level, and if this program did ultimately get carried out, I wouldn't be surprised if it were severely bungled.
post #8 of 20
yt remember there is no conspiracy people really are that stupid. Nothing will come of this, simply because it will implicate top level Dems in Congress also.
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by eenin View Post
yt remember there is no conspiracy people really are that stupid. Nothing will come of this, simply because it will implicate top level Dems in Congress also.
Really? As I understand it, Panetta wasn't told of it for a while after he became DCI, but when he discovered it he immediately went to the gang of 8 (the Congressional committee heads) to disclose it and let them know he'd ended it. Then the Dems in the gang of 8 released their letter to Panetta raising the red flag that they'd been misled by the CIA.

So, how exactly will it "implicate top level Dems"?
post #10 of 20
Thing is, this is just like those war crimes of the Bush Administration: If you start now, the shitstorm this will create will lead to vengeance, and will just drag the already bad political discourse between Dems and Reps down yet another notch.

Because frankly, the moment you do that, you have the entire hardline Rep party slinging mud.
post #11 of 20
If you consider this from the viewpoint of strict political calculus, there is no benefit to pursuing this.

Democrats open themselves to charges of being "Weak Kneed" on the War Against Terror (TM)

Republicans look like Terrorists themselves

America looks bad to people around the world,due to crimes that were committed years ago by a former Administration.

Obama has made it known that he prefers to move on vs/ revisit the recent past.

I question all if the above by the way, but I'm saying that elected and appointed officals are looking at this now through cost/benefit lenses.
post #12 of 20
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I see the logic of all your arguments, except the idea that people around the world will think worse of the United States if we do pursue the truth. I think the opposite is true. I still think Sen. Leahy's idea of a truth commission that grants immunity to everyone who will testify about the Bush era crimes is the best way to go. That way, you only end up with indictments for those who will refuse to testify, which will most likely be those responsible. I don't even think Bush would resist that. I think he'd throw Cheney over in a heartbeat.
post #13 of 20
As I understand it, the reason why Cheney never told Congress was because the program was a huge failure. Shocking, I know!

Outside of politics, this does not impact Democrats negatively. The law is fairly compelling in this regard. Now, how hard Holder goes after this might have some political effects for good and bad, but I suspect that Congress' need to retain oversight is a much stronger legal argument, which is what wins in the end.
post #14 of 20
Too bad they only work inland. Real men on the ground would at least have been more successful than those awesome Predator drone attacks.

"LOOK! Ak-47s shooting in the air! Lots of people chanting!"
"FIRE!"
-50 dead, another wedding ruined.
post #15 of 20
Yeah those drones must kill all the fun of being a special forces soldier these days. Sad to see these men being replaced by fat nerds with joysticks.

*Anxiously awaiting a vicious attack by Cobretti
post #16 of 20
This whole conversation assumes a nation where war crimes have an effect on the outcomes of elections. The last President opened gulags where prisoners were tortured to death and got reelected.

Edit: Since i posted this, Jeremy Scahill has posted an article on the bipartisan history of assassination and the pretend "shocked, shocked!" attitude of the Washington Left when the Right does it on Huffington Post.
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
to keep this program secret from Congress, which represents the people.
But it was not operational, so they had no reason to report to congress.
post #18 of 20
You know what I find amazing? This whole thing runs in a circle.

You ask a republican why its okay to assassinate evil guys? Cause the Dems did it , too !
You ask a democrat whats their justification? We gotta do something, the reps are making us so we dont lose face.

Wake up, the USA has a foreign policy of illegal wars, torture, assassination, covert and overt usage of mercenaries to get around legal issues that probably wouldnt matter anyway, pillaging of illegally invaded countries through rebuilding contracts and all sorts of other crap.
We know it, everyone knows it, but apparently for some reason a couple US citizens still want to believe that is not the case, that the behaviour of the USA on the global state is something like a backwater banana republic for almost a decade now.

Who cares if it was Bush and Cheney? I dont see them facing consequences. Who cares if you elected Obama? He isnt doing anything to take back the patriot act, he doesnt do jack about happened and he is, by and large, taking the advantages given by the ruthless politics of Bush and keeping them alive.

I think this whole "shocked, shocked !" attitude isnt just a thing of Washington, its a thing of many US citizens who really dont want to accept what the USA is, but rather pretend to still believe it has something to do with moral high ground.

You know when you can start changing things again in politics? When people stop talking about it in a constant back and forth, and not virtually every career depends on leaving skeletons in the basement buried.

As Rheokhu correctly states, it has been proven that these things dont even affect election results, so I suppose the majority are in favor of it, anyway.
post #19 of 20
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Maybe I'm not looking in the right places but I'm not seeing a lot of "shocked, shocked!" coming out of the left wrt assassinations, other than people who point stuff like that out through reporting and not disclosures like this one.

I think the importance of this incident isn't about who's going to get prosecuted for this one thing, and it seems minimal but it's actually not when you consider the "big, dumb mob" in charge of our democracy. It's that Nancy Pelosi, a favorite boogeyman of the right, was smeared for saying the CIA lied to her. Now, it turns out that "shocked, shocked!" the CIA lies to Congress.

And in terms of Obama going in guns blazing and fixing every seed of corruption lodged deep in Washington, uh-huh, especially wrt the Patriot Act and "nashnul securty." There's going to be another election in three years, and if you don't want to be saying President Gingrich or President Palin, you have to trust that there's a strategy for getting things done and it probably doesn't involve walking into the "weak on national security" trap. Our "big, dumb mob" has a short memory, is in deeper debt than ever and still very, very afraid. Don't overestimate their propensity to do the right thing.

And please with the "it wasn't operational." Riiiight.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by yt View Post
Maybe I'm not looking in the right places but I'm not seeing a lot of "shocked, shocked!" coming out of the left wrt assassinations, other than people who point stuff like that out through reporting and not disclosures like this one.

I think the importance of this incident isn't about who's going to get prosecuted for this one thing, and it seems minimal but it's actually not when you consider the "big, dumb mob" in charge of our democracy. It's that Nancy Pelosi, a favorite boogeyman of the right, was smeared for saying the CIA lied to her. Now, it turns out that "shocked, shocked!" the CIA lies to Congress.

And in terms of Obama going in guns blazing and fixing every seed of corruption lodged deep in Washington, uh-huh, especially wrt the Patriot Act and "nashnul securty." There's going to be another election in three years, and if you don't want to be saying President Gingrich or President Palin, you have to trust that there's a strategy for getting things done and it probably doesn't involve walking into the "weak on national security" trap. Our "big, dumb mob" has a short memory, is in deeper debt than ever and still very, very afraid. Don't overestimate their propensity to do the right thing.

And please with the "it wasn't operational." Riiiight.
I'll take 2 of whatever she's having.
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