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"Look At All Those Fucking. . . " Overwhelming Numbers in Horror

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I've been toying with this idea for a awhile, now, and was recently reminded I haven't posted a thread in awhile hereabouts. So, I thought I'd toss this out there.

We see this theme a lot in horror fiction, film in particular: the overwhelming numbers of the enemy, alien, other element antagonizing the heroes. I personally always found the numbers of zombies, and how utterly overwhelming they were, the most terrifying aspects of worldwide epidemic movies like DOTD. More so than the cannibalism elements, or the loss of free will & volition and coming back as "one of them". This concept is also used a lot in creepy crawly movies like "Kingdom of the Spiders", "The Swarm" and such. Individually, these creatures may pose little to no threat. But in sufficient numbers, they can be deadly, perhaps on a grand scale sufficient to overwhelm a town, if not the world at large. I think it's beyond question this device works, and scares us pretty effectively. So of course, I want to ask opinions as to why this is so.

There has been a recent change in philosophy at the company I workl for; they're starting to take almost every case to trial. Any attorney who does trial work will tell you it's a stressful way to do things. There's a lot at stake, and plenty of opportunities to screw up. When I only tried 2-3 cases a year, not so big a deal; they were occasional interruptions to the usual flow, and could be much more easily dealt with than they are now, in such great, overwhelming numbers. The perils have multiplied exponentially. Thinking on this has crystallized my heretofore nebulous thoughts on this subject. I think, more than anything else, large numbers of "the other" work as a horrific device because we have a primitive, hard wired fear of being overwhelmed, and our defenses counting for naught (or at least, being overcome, no matter how good they are, because there's just too much opposing them to be effectively dealt with). We can maybe talk ourselves into thinking if we face just one opponent, no matter how strong or savage he may be, we have a chance of defeating it on a one to one basis. I remeber however, as a small child, asking my Dad if there was anything that scared him. He replied: "Yeah, three or four guys that are bigger & stronger than me trying to kick my ass." So, too a world full of zombies or spiders is more terrifying to some than a lone serial killer. How long could you keep fighting? How long before one (or more) of them slipped by your defenses and took you out, or gave the rest an opportunity to come in and fuck your shit up?

To some extent, probably more so with the above mentioned creepy-crawly movies, a fear of suffocation or burial may play into it as well. Particularly if you have a phobia, being covered head to toe by the object of your fear (spiders/bugs, rats, snakes, whatever) is a terrifying prospect, indeed.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?

How'd I do, Horrid?
post #2 of 20
Not bad Iggy

Another factor at play is that as humans we are social creatures who form relationships and that makes us feel comfortable and safer, to know that there are people who care about you and will do what they can to help you. When it's an insurmountable amount of assailants you get stripped of that comfort because no matter what the people around you do to help it wont be enough and you'll more than likely see one or more of them die before you do.

Safety in numbers gets thrown out the window when those numbers get dwarfed by the opposition.

It also tends to lead to more grim endings, even if our hero makes it we know there are perhaps hundreds of people still out there who wont.
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Swarms (especially insects) give me the willies. The way they squirm on top of each other, so focused on their prey, that they have no regard for their fellow swarmer. A mass of writhing bodies (like a pile of maggots) almost forming a single undulating amorphous shape. Many small things becoming one giant thing.

Ew.

post #5 of 20
This is due to that TWILIGHT line thread, isn't it?

But yeah, the concept of hordes scares the shit out of me. Both you and horrid hit the nail on the head - there's something that's just inherently soul-killing about teeming masses versus your tiny little group of, say, 15. The great part is that the teeming masses don't even have to necessarily be that bright, like with the DOTD example. All it takes is one bite, one scratch, and you're screwed. Granted, it IS more terrifying when the horde is populated with smart/skilled/dangerous whatevers, but that's usually when the ending gets so bleak that the protagonists just say "fuck it" and go on a suicide run. It definitely ratchets up the suspense in a great way, even if it can be more of a convenient plot device than anything else at times.
post #6 of 20
Another aspect of it is the hive-mind mentality. We are structured to think as individuals, so when faced with overwhelming numbers that seem to act with one mind, we have no way to understand or relate to it. The core of horror is really the inability to comprehend why something is happening.
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Another aspect of it is the hive-mind mentality. We are structured to think as individuals, so when faced with overwhelming numbers that seem to act with one mind, we have no way to understand or relate to it. The core of horror is really the inability to comprehend why something is happening.
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I cannot comprehend why Darkmite would post a picture of maggots, if it takes me all my days I will hunt you down and have Jake punch you for this.
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In the early Westerns, the biggest threat, something that would, when ugly head reared, interrupt whatever conflict was going on between the man in white hat and black: wild, savage Indians.

Wasn't Romero in NOTLD, while upping our fear and terror, just replacing indians with zombies?
post #10 of 20
Yes and no, I think. Yes in terms of their being a large group out to get you, but Indians were more of an us against them type of foe, where as zombies have always had more of an us against our corrupted selves vibe.
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I cannot comprehend why Darkmite would post a picture of maggots, if it takes me all my days I will hunt you down and have Jake punch you for this.
Stay with the theme! Send a swarm of Jakes!

It also occurred to me that this thread title could disturbingly exist in the sex forum.
post #12 of 20
Yeah it sort of reads like a Newspaper headline about the moral majorities reaction to woodstock
post #13 of 20
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Yes and no, I think. Yes in terms of their being a large group out to get you, but Indians were more of an us against them type of foe, where as zombies have always had more of an us against our corrupted selves vibe.
Right. I don't really see the Injuns parallel - they were more or less treated as savage holdovers who were impeding progress, whereas zombies just sort of showed up. Zombies have the savage thing down, sure, but their way of life isn't really threatened, nor are they fighting to preserve said way of life like the Indians were.
post #14 of 20
Well being frightened of a horde seems to make sense - a huge mass of any one thing is usually much more dangerous than one of those same things. But really, when it comes to insects I'd be more frightened of one giant ant than a million small ones. However there is that one episode of some show - Tales from the Crypt? Where the man is stuck in a small glass enclosure with millions of cockroaches. That's one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.
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However there is that one episode of some show - Tales from the Crypt? Where the man is stuck in a small glass enclosure with millions of cockroaches. That's one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.
Reminds me of CREEPSHOW?
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I think of the Indy films and how "the swarm" has always been a key element. Snakes, misc bugs, rats, ants, etc. Organic & mobile "carpets". That stuff wigs everyone out. It's universal.
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HEY, HEY, HEY! Let's shitcan that Anti-Borgian sentiment right now!

Seriously, Sebastian makes a good point about the sheer alien-ness of a horde of almost anything ina horror movie making it scary. My favorite part of "From a Buick 8", a book I don't feel gets enough love, is when the giant, screaming carrot thing pops out of the trunk from the other dimension it's connected to and the cops tear it apart, not so much because they're afraid of it but because they just LOATHE it on a primal level; it just should not BE in this reality. That part was really effective, I think.
post #19 of 20
I think another aspect of this is that in the modern world we are constantly in danger of being overwhelmed by information and the sheer complexity of life in the 21st century.

We are supposed to make intelligent decisions on any number if things (how our kids should be raised, a healthy diet, our taxes, who we vote for, just trying to understand what the hell is going on in the world etc).

We are faced with a huge number of different, many times contradictory sources of information. And what ever we choose to do, and whichever sources of info we decide to rely on, we are always suspicious that we are made the wrong decision, based on faulty sources or info, or worse, we've been conned by malicious organizations.

And what happens in so many horror films? A small group, or an individual is overwhelmed by a horde of zombies/vampires/ants/Steampunk Cosplayers. The individual or small group decides to hole up in a mall. Is that the right choice? For a while, sure. But the hordes of whatevers keep growing outside, an outlaw Biker gang breaks through your barricades, the whole insulated, "safe" oasis collapses.
post #20 of 20
...And yet, at the same times, the advent of those hordes in some ways makes life much more simpler. So there is a flip side to the unease caused by those Zombie (let's stick to one example) hordes. Ya Shoot him in the head!. That's it! What? A zombie bit your best friend? Shoot him in the head! You got bit? Shoot yourself in the head!

So just as there is a fear that the protagonist is being overwhelmed, there is maybe also a fear that things have now boiled down to one answer, and it's not one you really want to face.
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