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An AVATAR Crew Member Can't Take Criticism

post #1 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:01am
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http://chud.com/articles/articles/20...ISM/Page1.html
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post #2 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:07am
Jesus. Does that dude also regularly post at AICN?
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post #3 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:12am
Oh boo hoo, if it didn't blow Devin away. I too was surprised by District 9's CG, and how well it fit.

I'm just happy Cameron has push the 3D medium forward, cause I can't wait for when it comes to porn. (at home... ...pervs)
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post #4 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:15am
(Paraphrasing) "It is photoreal, and you will believe it when it is in its final form."

Was the footage at comic-con 24 minutes of final product, or some sort of in-progress cut?
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post #5 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:15am
I love that shit. I bet he thinks he was super eloquent, too. I've been sort of bewildered by the general preparedness amongst ze geekz to be disappointed with Avatar, which is mostly a result of my not being exposed to all the hype it's received from fanboys and Cameronite media much less Ol' James hisself. That said, rants like that one definitely leave a bad taste in my mouth and I won't be able to think of Avatar without thinking of weak-minded people's need to make everything their messiah.

Which is, you know, funny considering the title of the movie and it's somewhat messianic undertones.
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post #6 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:16am
Well Devin? What does give, and are you f'real? Answer him!

You would think somebody employed on one of the most expensive movies ever would be able to afford a keyboard with a SHIFT key.
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post #7 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:20am
He probably carries the coffee.
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post #8 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:20am
He doesn't mention you saying that the effects in District 9 look better than the effects of AVATAR. He must agree.
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post #9 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:21am
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Avatar, is the best of everyone
Lovely. I hope Kevin Costner writes a boo-hoo letter to that guy.
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post #10 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:26am
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Originally Posted by Marketsaw
But of greater importance I think is getting the opinion of the guys working hard under Jim Cameron to get this epic movie done on time. To hear from ALL parties. And in particular this one source, who while conferring with others on the team wrote this open letter to Devin and felt comfortable enough to send it through me to the viewing masses.
It took a team of people to produce this letter.
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post #11 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:32am
Oh shit one of the comment writers on the Market Saw page thinks you're "40-50 years old."
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post #12 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:35am
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Adults all look that old to 14 year olds.
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post #13 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:44am
You gotta give him at least some credit for keeping it strictly (enough) to movies, unlike previous letters you've published where angry commentators believe bringing up your physical appearance will make their points truer.

But other than that, he sounds like an ignorant shit head from an Avatar fansite, not a professional crew member of an adult-inhabited industry (you didn't hear Peter Jackson writing "OMFG" after watching the first cut of LOTR )
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post #14 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:47am
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Planet of the apes. seriously... you have all the time for grown men in ape suits. and will actively try and hock the ultimate apes movie compendium or whatever its called to your "CHUDS" :-) ?
Its CHEWERS, asshole. This movie had better be the shit or it's train time on your mom.
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post #15 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:49am
Don't quote me on this, but I think the same guy who wrote that "Letter" also posts on the Don Murphy messageboards... because there is a guy who got all upitty about the article you wrote there too... he goes by the name of "ManinthePlanet" ... tool.
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post #16 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:51am
Jeez, the Avatar brigade just wont let up with the hype, huh?

"and further more it will be a CLASSIC. and what movies are ever classic just for CGI ? so are you aware that this movie IS going to change the face of cinema ? its already started"

Well, I guess it works because there already seems to be a legion of Avatar fanboys out there and they have not seen one single piece of footage from the film. The blacklash is going to be immense of it fails to be groundbreaking stuff.
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post #17 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:55am
So, is it definately someone from Avatar? Or is he just saying he is?

Yeah, I feel I'm missing the excitement for this. Other than it's Cameron and it's tech heavy, very little info worth knowing has been passed on to us until this week. You talk about TinTin not having much geek excitement, but this comes out this year, and people are more excited for the damn Sherlock Holmes movie. They should have had a teaser for this like last November.
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post #18 of 421
7/26/09 at 1:55am
Devin said it looked great. He went so far as to say the movie is evolutionary. You'd figure that would be enough. It is for me.
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post #19 of 421
7/26/09 at 2:11am
Devin, you're being far too generous calling his rant 'semi-coherent', it was like something from a pissy third grader. I was actually surprised by how positive your take on the footage was, and there wasn't a snarky remark in sight (well done!), so I dunno what set this guy off.

The general consensus after the screening seemed to be 'reel in the expectations', but if Cameron's actually calling it a 'game changer' (referring to the movie itself and not the technology developed to create it), then there are gonna be some disappointed people in December....
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post #20 of 421
7/26/09 at 2:26am
I couldn't read it. I write badly enough, I don't need to read other people's crappy writing.
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post #21 of 421
7/26/09 at 2:32am
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Originally Posted by ForsakenNoMore View Post
This movie had better be the shit or it's train time on your mom.
I'm not taking part in this unless I'm one of the first 5.
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post #22 of 421
7/26/09 at 2:33am
I think the guy has a point. Devin is sometimes a contrarian who behaves cynically towards popular movies then champions lesser known flicks for seemingly no other reason than popularity or lack thereof, and not quality. His technique is to damn a movie with faint praise, sandwiching the weak compliments in between all of his criticisms. Then he points to those "positive" things as proof that he's not all negative. I read Devin's stuff knowing he's sometimes unfair to movies, but enjoy his interesting points of view all the same. His reviews are especially crazy and entertaining at times.

The Avatar crew member was trying to express that point, but did so like a plane reaching the ground by crashing into it. Whoever he is, seemed like an absolute moron who's ranting came off as equal parts frothing rage and cocaine.
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post #23 of 421
7/26/09 at 2:46am
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Originally Posted by Bozz View Post
I think the guy has a point. Devin is sometimes a contrarian ....
Sometimes?
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post #24 of 421
7/26/09 at 2:50am
WOW. It's like the forum became self aware and turned into an Avatar crew member. Would it be inappropriate to post that in the "meltdown" thread? The next thing he's gonna do is delete his Facebook page.
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post #25 of 421
7/26/09 at 3:04am
Attention, all who wish to work in Hollywood: apparently, becoming a PA does not require literacy. So file that away for the future.
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post #26 of 421
7/26/09 at 3:07am
It doesn't.
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post #27 of 421
7/26/09 at 3:52am
What a joke. I'd love to hear if there's any kind of fall-out from this on the production. I hope some coffee boy is going to be looking for a new job. I understand being excited and confident in your work but try to be literate in your defense. Good lord.
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post #28 of 421
7/26/09 at 4:21am
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Originally Posted by Bozz View Post
I think the guy has a point. Devin is sometimes a contrarian who behaves cynically towards popular movies then champions lesser known flicks for seemingly no other reason than popularity or lack thereof, and not quality.
I've been reading Devin's stuff for around six years now, and possibly my favorite thing he does is champion little known pictures, but the cherry on top is that he is passionate about it. These are movies he has seen and uses his pulpit to evangelize. As cynical as he can be, this facet of his writing is completely genuine and infectious.

To think he only gets behind a movie because it is obscure, regardless of quality, is absurd, and really only proves that the only things of his you read are the articles on big, bloated tentpole flicks.

Buried in all the OMG Devin hates Cameron and Avatar nonsense is the fact that he gave the footage good notices, what he (rightfully) is trying to punch a hole in is the hyperbole that Cameron and crew have been spilling forth about this project for years.
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post #29 of 421
7/26/09 at 4:36am
Hell, everybody knows you never go full Avatard.
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post #30 of 421
7/26/09 at 4:55am
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Originally Posted by Avatar Retard, or as I call him, "Avatard"
unless of course you still want to be watching movies in 20 years time the way you are now ?
Oh God, no! Not another 20 years of watching films through my eyeballs! I was praying I would be able to download them directly to my cerebral cortex by then!

It's kind of staggering the way this guy equates "good" with "technologically advaced" so obliviously. Planet of the Apes is terrible because it has ape suits! And what's up with watching movies in black and white, don't you know they have colour now? LOL

I can't help but notice that his response to the story criticisms are a string of ludicrous non-sequiturs and appeals to authority. LOTS OF PEOPLE WORKED ON THIS STORY SO IT IS GOOD

I've actually been looking forward to Avatar, having basically ignored the hype, which hasn't seemed that overwhelming or obnoxious to someone who wasn't actively pursuing it. But stuff like this is making me pretty damn sympathetic to Devin's snarking. It's like he's angry that we have free will. Hey, maybe Avatar really is the next step in moviemaking, in that it will feature technology that forces us to like it! It's Coupon: The Movie!

Negative Druid out.
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post #31 of 421
7/26/09 at 4:58am
Dammit Dave. Can I get a co-author credit on "Avatard"?
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post #32 of 421
7/26/09 at 5:07am
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
Dammit Dave. Can I get a co-author credit on "Avatard"?

What are the chances, eh? And here I've been saving that one for months...
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post #33 of 421
7/26/09 at 5:07am
Actually, I think Devin coined the term several weeks ago. It's been floating around for a while now.
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post #34 of 421
7/26/09 at 5:29am
Why does this guy seem to think Devin is a "blogger?" If you write for a web site are you automatically a "blogger?" You'd think people would have learned by now that it does not matter where your work is published so much as what you have to say that matters. I could come up with things to bitch about Devin on but his writing is damn good and his opinions on movies is fair to the point that he'll admit his on bias'.

Avatard seems a fitting term.
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post #35 of 421
7/26/09 at 5:33am
I don't appreciate the thought that someone who wrote... that... had anything to do with the production of Avatar.
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post #36 of 421
7/26/09 at 5:44am
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
Oh God, no! Not another 20 years of watching films through my eyeballs!
I'm up way too late and drunk but that wrecked me.

As for Avatar cheerleader, well, brava for the passion! And loyalty! Boo hiss for the perspective. Way to embarrass your boss by begging for approval for your boss. Kudos to Devin for the continuing name-penetration for CHUD, but does this silly fellow really think it's a good idea to -- no offense CHUD! -- bring God King Emperor Cameron down to our level?

Unless -- and holy hot dog hallelujah would this not be the BEST -- turns out that the author of the open missive IS James Cameron. Oh please, please, yes, please.

Hey, genius author of carefully misspelled web-denizen-speak, know what lowers expectations faster than a lukewarm-to-positive internet journalist's response? In-house desperation for buzz.
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post #37 of 421
7/26/09 at 5:44am
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Originally Posted by Devin0
....despite some accusations I have not been building up Avatar as a second coming - Cameron and his acolytes have been
What? Are you taking the piss? Why would anyone accuse you of building up Avatar when you've actually been sniping and snarking about it for months, at every single opportunity?
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post #38 of 421
7/26/09 at 5:52am
Seriously. I'd like to see the post or message that accused Devin of building up Avatar too high.
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post #39 of 421
7/26/09 at 6:08am
Notice what word is in italics? He's saying he has been accused of not building up Avatar as a second coming.
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post #40 of 421
7/26/09 at 6:19am
How dare he.
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post #41 of 421
7/26/09 at 6:30am
"yes i agree we are far more advanced then WATCHMEN. lmao"

This quote alone certifies the guy as a grade-a dickcheese.
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post #42 of 421
7/26/09 at 6:40am
Maybe he'll reply with a scan of a call sheet or something. I don't even buy this guy as a PA.
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post #43 of 421
7/26/09 at 7:28am
I simply cannot believe this guy is real.

If true, it's the saddest thing I've ever seen.
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post #44 of 421
7/26/09 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by Phil Connors View Post
What? Are you taking the piss? Why would anyone accuse you of building up Avatar when you've actually been sniping and snarking about it for months, at every single opportunity?
He has? As far as I can tell he's been sniping and snarking about the hype regarding Avatar, not Avatar itself.
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post #45 of 421
7/26/09 at 8:13am
That letter is truly embarrassing. But how sure are you that it's really written by a crew member? He's displayed almost zero knowledge about the actual production, and you'd think that an actual crew member would share a couple of details with regards to WHY he thinks the film will be groundbreaking.

On a different note, Domingo's back?
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post #46 of 421
7/26/09 at 8:17am
He's probably the same Marketsaw freak who wanted to build a time machine and travel to the premiere.
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post #47 of 421
7/26/09 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Actually, I think Devin coined the term several weeks ago. It's been floating around for a while now.
Hmmm. Serves me right for going off on vacation for a few weeks, I suppose. I missed my window of opportunity...

As for the film itself, I think it's become obvious that the movie-going public is currently a bit effects-numb. I'd guess that "game changing" effects wouldn't single-handedly carry any film at this point, so Devin's point about the story is right on the nose - whether or not this guy wants to hear that.
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post #48 of 421
7/26/09 at 8:29am
Fact is that a lot of people was impressed by a few scenes of characters running around in a forest. That bodes well for the rest of the movie and the big stuff we haven't seen yet. No need to panic yet.
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post #49 of 421
7/26/09 at 8:43am
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Wondering if I should post this email I received from one of my key inside AVATAR sources - but what the heck - this is the Internet baby!
Good thing Cronkite died already, because this would have killed him.

EDIT: I love the commenter who says, "I don't visit CHUD", then goes on to give a detailed critique of how CHUD has handled its Avatar coverage.
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post #50 of 421
7/26/09 at 9:03am
Man, how stupid can one get? "and further more it will be a CLASSIC" .... "so are you aware that this movie IS going to change the face of cinema ?" .... "Avatar IS photo real." They just keep digging themselves deeper into a hole. What arrogance too.

Responding in such a manner and insisting that it will indeed be a game changer, and that it will be the greatest most revolutionary experience is only going to set people up for greater disappointment.

And I really don't see how ragging on ones love for an old science fiction classic like Planet of the Apes as anything to do with anything. If this guy does indeed work on Avator, James Cameron should definetely plug this guy, it's so counterproductive. Has this guy been confirmed to be genuine?
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