Chud Fantasy Football VII - Page 5

I'm in a cbssportsline league and they have a feature which tells you how you would do vs every team every week in one column and adds up your record agains every team.

The team that leads the league in scoring is in 3rd place in a 3 division/12 team league. They are 5-6. They also lead the league in points scored agains them.

This is his division
1st place team 7-4 991 pts scored 833 scored against
2nd place team 6-5 884 points scored 917 scored against
3rd place team 5-6 1,119 points scored 1088 scored against

4 teams make the playoffs and he may miss it. He's 1.5 games out of the WC spot(tie in my division) and 2 out of the division with an 0-3 division record. He's fucked.

But this guy has an overall record against the league of 82-35-4. First place team is 58-63. 2nd place team is 50-71.

Every year someone gets the unlucky draw. It happens to everyone at some point. That's why for tie breakers, especially when not everyone plays eachother, I go for points scored as a tie breaker.

I think the official definition is that if I win, it's skill. If I lose, it's luck.

No matter how you set the rules for tiebreakers, someone will get shit on. The only thing that changes is who gets shit on.

This is the first week since week 3 I absolutely need a win. I was happier lucking into wins I didn't deserve.

Well... there is the bobble-head or T-shirt prize.

I want that bobble-head!

Seattle's strategy of not throwing to Houshmanzadeh in the first half is really making me want to kill someone.

It's gonna be a hell of a final week + 2 games.

Milton Steelers will lose and Carolina Cowpokes/Drago will win which sets up a crazy match up for the first round bye in the Fanatic B-Movie Fans division.

Drago can still win the division with a win over Carolina and a Steeler loss to Wease. Carolina needs a win + Milton loss to get the division.

Wes Welker/Shockey stand in my way for a victory. I'm up 48.5 but Welker got 40 last week and 30 is realistic.

The outcomes are too many to list in the Classic Film Buffs division. 4 should make the playoffs and 5 is a possibility.

If me(Whedonesque) and Happy Trees both lose this week then the Mofos get the bye.

I'm up by 34, and have the NO defense still to go. Trees has both Brees and Colston still to go. I don't like my chances.

It's been a strange year--my Yahoo team is slowly declining as apparently Rivers doesn't like to throw the ball to Vincent Jackson anymore, but my two Dynasty teams, which both started out awfully, are now awfully close to making the playoffs.

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This is one of the benefits of making this a PLUS league this year. ( I still need to donate to the commish $5, like I promised. I haven't forgotten.)

In my big money league, I am down 31 and have Welker.

Sooo, if he does have an outrageous game, I, The Unrealistic Mofos, will benefit in both leagues!! </evil snicker>

Next week will be fun.

I need to stop predicting my ass kickings.

What's the deal with the playoffs again? Who gets in, and who gets a bye? I can't believe I'm leading my division. There's only one team with fewer points than me.

It can't be H2H tiebreaker because Steelers beat Cowpokes TWICE. It must go off a division record tiebreaker for first place in each division.

Points scored looks to be the tiebreaker for everything else.

Mofos, Whedonesque, and Happy Trees have clinched a playoff spot.

Carolina gets the bye if they win. Then it gets fucked up since it's division record and not H2H.

Milton Steelers-Gets a bye if they win, Carolina loses.

Drago-If Carolina, Milton, and MM lose then Drago gets the bye with a win.

Meaner Machine-If Carolina, and Milton lose and MM win then they get the bye with a 7-3 division record.

Milton Steelers have clinced a spot even though Yahoo doesn't say it. They are so far ahead in points that even if they lose the division.

The last 2(3 if Milton gets the division) spots are going to come down to points if tied.

This shit makes my head hurt. And I could be wrong. But based on Carolina being in 1st, it should be right.

But none of them are really clinched, apparently. So it's possible I (Carolina Cowpokes) could go from leading the division to out of the playoffs on Sunday.

This week is going to be great. And 2 of my 3 RBs are backups for guys who probably won't play, but it won't be announced until Friday. My other league is in much the same state. One guy is clinched, two others will be division winners, and 2 or 3 of us are fighting for a single wild card slot.

Easily. It's going to be a crazy week.

Not only do teams like Sooner Redd, JLT, Drago, and MM have to win, they have to score more points than eachother.

6. Sooner Redd 6-6 1469.15
7. JLT 6-6 10.3 points back
8. Team Drago 6-6 30.25 back
9. MM 6-6 42.9 points back

4 teams for 1 spot. And if Milton Steelers win the division than 2 spots open up. You have to go Pete Carrol this week. Better choose the right line up.

Yeah, no shit. Because of Tom Brady's suckiness last night, I might have played my way out of a playoff position in another league. I lost by 5 fucking FP. 1 TD pass to Wes Welker (who I also had) would have won me the game.

The absurd tie breaker rules. The Carolina/Steelers situation is brutal.

If those 2 played H2H Milton has a record of 11-1. With Carolinas schedule Milton would have a 10-2 record. With Miltons schedule Carolina would have a recod of 4-8.

And Carolina gets the bye if they win.

If there is a way to change division tie breakers to points I suggest we bring it up for a vote.

Props to Sooner Redd for getting himself into contention (and he controls his own destiny, to steal a cliche). I'm gonna feel bad when I take his playoff spot.

We'll see if that works as well as predicting my losses does.

I think I have to vote against it. But I understand why others wouldn't.

I'm all for changing tie breakers next year if people feel strongly, but I think trying to change things now is a bad idea.

Yeah, we can't change them now. And we should vote before changing them next year. We can do it soon after the end of the season so everyone is still nice and pissed off if, but we can't change it now. (And I'd say that even if I didn't have a personal stake.)

We never voted to change it from points to division record. I assume it's the default tie breaker for yahoo.
Would love to know how much control the commish has over these things.

And with an unbalanced schedule it's not really fair to base it off division record. What if the person you are tied with got the 3 easiest people in the opposite division and you get the 3 hardest?

The only constant is points.

You keep talking about FAIR and SCHEDULES and POINTS. This is an inherent problem with Fantasy Football. It has been for years, and will continue to be. Nothing is fair when the basis of the game is not under our control.

Head to head FF has a problem in that it is never fair on how you win the whole thing. A team with the most points could possibly lose every single week, by losing each week to the highest scoring team. In that situation, your belief that the best team in the league (the one with the most points) was screwed was because of the luck of the schedule. Break that extreme example down into the smaller week-by-week examples, and you see how the fairness of it all affects everyone equally.

The only fair thing about the tie-breaker system is that everyone plays by its' rules. We all had the same chance at winning, but our players performances and our decisions on who to start is what affected the final outcomes.

Again-we never voted on this rule. The previous tie breaker was points. It was changed without our knowledge. I don't blame the commish or mean this as bashing him. I just don't want to see a team miss out on a playoff spot that should be there.

And we all know and agree when we get in that you can get screwed week to week by a high scoring team or a shity draw of the schedule.

How is most points scored as a tie breaker not fair? What you score has nothing to do with who you play or when you play them. It has to do with how well you drafted, traded, and used the waiver wire. That is fair. Everyone gets the same amount of points for what their players do.

Sooner Redd or Jack Lambert's Teeth may miss out on a playoff spot because of this tie breaker rule. There is still a week to go so maybe everything will work it's self out.

In head-to-head leagues, regardless of divisions, points only determines who wins each week or loses. Once you've won your matchup, your record now determines how good your team is. And since they want fantasy football to resemble regular football as much as possible, they use the same criteria for determining who has the best team: your record of wins and loses, bottom line. Unfortunately, they dont use head-to-head records before going to points, but thats how they've determined it should work.

Thats my mentality for my own league that I run. I use a different software which does give me the ability to adjust the tiebreaker criteria, and I put points last as well.
And I would say that in the end, it's all luck anyway. Playoffs are the most unfair ways to determine who wins, too. You have a great team, undefeated, and then you have a shitty week and get knocked out of the playoffs in the frst week. Happens all the time. Then, to add insult to injury, you score the most for the next two weeks, which would've made you champ. So, in the end, overall points never make you a winner in a head-to-head league, and therefore, in my book, points are the last determining factor of how good your team is in a head to head league in relation to the other teams.

I know that sounds contradictory, but in relation to how head to head leagues work, thats the logic behind it.

I'm very well aware that changing the rules has a high likelihood of helping me this season. I'm still against it. The rules have been posted all season, and if anybody didn't pay attention to them it's their own fault. My Teeth still have a shot at a playoff spot and even if it's a smaller chance than with a rule change I'll be having a fun weekend watching games while scanning scores on my iPhone trying to keep up.

If people want to talk about next season and what they'd prefer, great.

Ok, don't mean to break into the CHUD fantasy footbal league discussion, but I could use some advice in my own league. I'm at 6-6 in my league and this week represents my last chance to make the playoffs (lots of middle of the road teams this year). The question is this: do I start Carson Palmer or Aaron Rogers at QB?

Rogers has been consistently putting up, approximately, 20 points a game this season. He's solid and playing Baltimore.

Palmer seems to have come on strong as the season progressed. Also, the Bengals are playing Detroit.

My instinct is to be conservative and go with Rogers, but something tells me that Palmer could be a solid choice this week.

Thoughts? Please?!?

I'd go with Palmer. I'm having to go with Rodgers in our CHUD league, and being it's against Baltimore, I'm nervous about it.

I'd stick with Rogers. Baltimore has given up alot of points this year. 26 to SD, 27 to NE, 33 to Minny. All of those teams have a stud QB and it was when Baltimore was on the road.

Detroit is very weak but what they are good at is giving up rushing yards. I'd be worried they would use this week to beef up the rushing stats.

Heh. I don't think that helped him at all.

But in agreement with Anya's assessment of the Bungels, Cedric Benson will start, and will probably split carries with LJ. So I'm sure they'll be running a good bit.

You are screwed, but in a good way. Both are probably top 10 performers for week 13.

I think whoever you start at that spot is going to do well, and it's possible you'll end up with equally good performances from both. Palmer should have torched the Browns last week, and didn't, so there's some doubt there. Rodgers in on Monday night, and on the big stage at home I would hope he would perform well.

I think you should take a chance and go with Palmer. Like I said, both are probably going to do well, but the last few QBs had great games against DET.

editted to add: the great running game possibilty may open things up even more for Palmer.

Here is how I pissed off everyone in my league.. Since there was not a shot at making the playoffs (Top 4 teams make it, and with one game to go I'm 2.5 back) I dropped my whole team and picked up everyone from the Cleveland Browns.

The waiver report was great! ha ha ha

Nick dropped Tom Brady, NE QB to Waivers
Nick dropped Larry Fitzgerald, Ari WR to Waivers
Nick dropped Rashard Mendenhall, Pit RB to Waivers
Nick dropped Beanie Wells, Ari RB to Waivers
Nick dropped Donald Driver, GB WR to Waivers
Nick dropped Nate Burleson, Sea WR to Waivers
Nick dropped Vernon Davis, SF TE to Waivers
Nick dropped Saints D/ST, NO D/ST to Waivers
Nick dropped Nick Folk, Dal K to Waivers

You haven't played much fantasy football, have you?

And you probably wont next year, in that league. Dont be surpised when your team gets all those guys back, and you get locked out of the league.

it's a group of friends, I'll be back next year... :-)

As long as nobody picks up those players they can't be too pissed.

Guys, thanks a bunch. I think I'm gonna shake it up and go with Palmer. Then again...

Sure they can. Thats #1 on the Official Fantasy Football Dick Move list. (no offence, MBN) Other than straight collusion, that's pretty low.

Everyone thought it was just funny as hell. (the players can't be picked up) I had the GM lock them out. Yes, it would have been a dick move if people could pick them up.

Ooooooooooooooooh... that's a little different than originally explained. Bravo to you, then!

Go with Rodgers.

Rodgers... Palmer... Rodgers... Palmer... Debbie... the car...

That's my bad, I could have explained it a lot better. It sure was fun dropping Tom Brady! This being my first year playing FF, I was surprised on how addicting it is!

I'll be sure to sign up for CHUD FF!